OT: Does Anybody Else Find Irony in This?

@"greediron" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"AGRforever" said: antivaxers need to be casterated or have their tubes tied so they dont pass on their genetic deficientcies.

I have no time for people who are so blatantly ignorant. 

Just want to take a moment to say how enlightened you are.

Take some time and pat yourself on the back for not being ignorant.

Im glad you saw it my way. 

never took you to be the enlightened type.

Im not, just this issue especially pisses me off.  Humanity solved many of these devastating diseases yet the internet and one jackass doctor who put out a faulty report about links to autism has put peoples children in danger by intentionally playing on parent fears.  There is as much link between autism and vaccines as there is breathing air and vaccines.  Or the Vikings wining the superbowl and vaccines.  Its just complete and utter nonsense. 

This isn't about that study on the link to autism, although I do think that is worthy of being studied rather that ignored.  Allergic reactions.  Tainted vaccines from cell lines derived from aborted babies.  And not all vaccines are for devastating diseases.  Chicken Pox for example.  Giving babies vaccines to prevent sexually transmitted diseases?  That makes sense.  And some vaccines have worse side effects than what they are supposed to prevent. 

I would like to have a choice rather than be dictated by corruption, politics and money.

@"AGRforever" said:

@"greediron" said:

This isn't about that study on the link to autism, although I do think that is worthy of being studied rather that ignored.  Allergic reactions.  Tainted vaccines from cell lines derived from aborted babies.  And not all vaccines are for devastating diseases.  Chicken Pox for example.  Giving babies vaccines to prevent sexually transmitted diseases?  That makes sense.  And some vaccines have worse side effects than what they are supposed to prevent. 

I would like to have a choice rather than be dictated by corruption, politics and money.

There has been study after study after study.  There is zero link between autism and vaccines.  It is a myth kept alive via the internet. 

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/vaccines/art-20048334
https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/autism-and-vaccines/

There's Oxford, Mayo and the autism science foundation. (I'm not sure who ASU is funded by)  I can find you more if you'd like to read up on it.  Please take 5 minutes to read the abstract from the Oxford paper, it go into how ridiculous of a claim autism and vaccines was and how flawed the '98 "study's" reasoning was.  It held nearly as much "science" as the pool of experts have here on the longship. 

I don't mind your stance against mandated vaccines but when you get enough kids not being vaccinated it becomes a public health concern not just a personal decision.  The jump in pre-vacinated infants getting these diseases is alarming to say the least.  We need to promote vaccinations to everyone and stop the spread of fake news on the topic. 

When these debates descend into studies and graphs and charts, that's when I typically check out. These studies explain why there is a scientific consensus.  But that there IS a scientific consensus is undisputed. Even by them. The problem is the general mistrust of science itself. It's nothing new. It's not just climate and vaccines. It goes all the way to evolution and the age of the earth. You can cite study after study after study and it won't make a bit of difference.

My sister in law doesn't trust public education so she home schools her kids even though she's nowhere near qualified to do it. She's also an anti-vaxer, a young earther, and a climate denier. Yeah, we've had some interesting conversations.  :o

What's interesting to me is that while the climate-deniers are largely conservatives,  I've seen a few liberals among the anti-vaxers.  That, I think, speaks less to the distrust of science than it does our eagerness to believe in conspiracy theories. And that has plenty of victims on both sides of the aisle. 

When it comes to home schooling and vaccines, I think it is more about who you trust to raise your children.  Do you trust the government and all the corrupt money involved, or do you trust yourself to find a solution that is right for your family.  You mention that she isn't qualified?  Why?  Are you qualified to make that judgment?  Education has much more to do with caring about the child rather than phds and intelligence.  And they are her children, not yours. 

@"greediron" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"greediron" said:

This isn't about that study on the link to autism, although I do think that is worthy of being studied rather that ignored.  Allergic reactions.  Tainted vaccines from cell lines derived from aborted babies.  And not all vaccines are for devastating diseases.  Chicken Pox for example.  Giving babies vaccines to prevent sexually transmitted diseases?  That makes sense.  And some vaccines have worse side effects than what they are supposed to prevent. 

I would like to have a choice rather than be dictated by corruption, politics and money.

There has been study after study after study.  There is zero link between autism and vaccines.  It is a myth kept alive via the internet. 

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/vaccines/art-20048334
https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/autism-and-vaccines/

There's Oxford, Mayo and the autism science foundation. (I'm not sure who ASU is funded by)  I can find you more if you'd like to read up on it.  Please take 5 minutes to read the abstract from the Oxford paper, it go into how ridiculous of a claim autism and vaccines was and how flawed the '98 "study's" reasoning was.  It held nearly as much "science" as the pool of experts have here on the longship. 

I don't mind your stance against mandated vaccines but when you get enough kids not being vaccinated it becomes a public health concern not just a personal decision.  The jump in pre-vacinated infants getting these diseases is alarming to say the least.  We need to promote vaccinations to everyone and stop the spread of fake news on the topic. 

I understand the original study was flawed and keeps getting regurgitated. But that isn't my issue.  As I have stated through this entire thread, vaccines aren't tested properly in regards to infants and mass doses of vaccines.  I also have issues with the allergy angle.  We have 2 kids with egg allergies and that is a common ingredient in making vaccines.  Do we not care about those with allergies?

Vaccines can lead to serious injury, even death.  But I guess that just has to be okay for the common good.  Until it is your child.

I am in favor of healthy children.  But when money and politics are used to override common sense, then I have an issue.  WHen I see $$$$ and government mandates, I start asking questions and if that makes me an idiot, so be it.  Would rather be informed and called an idiot than be an actual useful idiot such as those that parrot the "there is no other side".

I will also add, that if pre-vaccinated kids are getting the disease they are vaccinated against, shouldn't that make one question the usefulness of the vaccine?  Supposedly these diseases were eradicated by vaccine, starting with a minority of people.  But somehow the now vast majority of people being vaccinated makes them susceptible to a small minority that isn't vaccinated?  hmmm. 

@"greediron" said: When it comes to home schooling and vaccines, I think it is more about who you trust to raise your children.  Do you trust the government and all the corrupt money involved, or do you trust yourself to find a solution that is right for your family.  You mention that she isn't qualified?  Why?  Are you qualified to make that judgment?  Education has much more to do with caring about the child rather than phds and intelligence.  And they are her children, not yours. 

My sis in law is not qualified to teach her 8 kids because she doesn't have a college degree. Nor does she know that Ireland, for example, is a part of Europe. I could go on and on...and I'm qualified to make that judgement based on the fact that I've spoken to her many times. And I've received emails from her teenage children that read like they were written by 4th graders. It's sad, it really is. Almost maddening. I mean, what did they do to deserve this?  

I love her, I really do. And she can make any decision she wants to about her family. At least she avoided liberal indoctrination from the public schools, right? 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said: When it comes to home schooling and vaccines, I think it is more about who you trust to raise your children.  Do you trust the government and all the corrupt money involved, or do you trust yourself to find a solution that is right for your family.  You mention that she isn't qualified?  Why?  Are you qualified to make that judgment?  Education has much more to do with caring about the child rather than phds and intelligence.  And they are her children, not yours. 

Yeah, I trust the teachers of my children. For starters, I call them "teachers," not "the government." But hey, that's probably just my naivete talking. 

My sis in law is not qualified to teach her 8 kids because she doesn't have a college degree. Nor does she know that Ireland, for example, is a part of Europe. I could go on and on...and I'm qualified to make that judgement based on the fact that I've spoken to her many times. And I've received emails from her teenage children that read like they were written by 4th graders. It's sad, it really is. Almost maddening. I mean, what did they do to deserve this?  

I love her, I really do. And she can make any decision she wants to about her family. At least she avoided liberal indoctrination from the public schools, right? 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"greediron" said:

This isn't about that study on the link to autism, although I do think that is worthy of being studied rather that ignored.  Allergic reactions.  Tainted vaccines from cell lines derived from aborted babies.  And not all vaccines are for devastating diseases.  Chicken Pox for example.  Giving babies vaccines to prevent sexually transmitted diseases?  That makes sense.  And some vaccines have worse side effects than what they are supposed to prevent. 

I would like to have a choice rather than be dictated by corruption, politics and money.

There has been study after study after study.  There is zero link between autism and vaccines.  It is a myth kept alive via the internet. 

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/vaccines/art-20048334
https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/autism-and-vaccines/

There's Oxford, Mayo and the autism science foundation. (I'm not sure who ASU is funded by)  I can find you more if you'd like to read up on it.  Please take 5 minutes to read the abstract from the Oxford paper, it go into how ridiculous of a claim autism and vaccines was and how flawed the '98 "study's" reasoning was.  It held nearly as much "science" as the pool of experts have here on the longship. 

I don't mind your stance against mandated vaccines but when you get enough kids not being vaccinated it becomes a public health concern not just a personal decision.  The jump in pre-vacinated infants getting these diseases is alarming to say the least.  We need to promote vaccinations to everyone and stop the spread of fake news on the topic. 

I understand the original study was flawed and keeps getting regurgitated. But that isn't my issue.  As I have stated through this entire thread, vaccines aren't tested properly in regards to infants and mass doses of vaccines.  I also have issues with the allergy angle.  We have 2 kids with egg allergies and that is a common ingredient in making vaccines.  Do we not care about those with allergies?

Vaccines can lead to serious injury, even death.  But I guess that just has to be okay for the common good.  Until it is your child.

I am in favor of healthy children.  But when money and politics are used to override common sense, then I have an issue.  WHen I see $$$$ and government mandates, I start asking questions and if that makes me an idiot, so be it.  Would rather be informed and called an idiot than be an actual useful idiot such as those that parrot the "there is no other side".

I will also add, that if pre-vaccinated kids are getting the disease they are vaccinated against, shouldn't that make one question the usefulness of the vaccine?  Supposedly these diseases were eradicated by vaccine, starting with a minority of people.  But somehow the now vast majority of people being vaccinated makes them susceptible to a small minority that isn't vaccinated?  hmmm. 

my wife is alergic to one of the preservatives in vaccines. she just had to get a different version. we were concerned with it with our children with regards to the preservatives and not knowing whether that was something passed on. 

pre vaccinated = prior to being vaccination.  post-vaccinated would mean already vaccinated. tge ones getting sick are 6mo or younger ussually. there has been a huge uptick being caused by antivaxers and some of the immigration.  california has seen some of the worst. 

@"greediron" said: When it comes to home schooling and vaccines, I think it is more about who you trust to raise your children.  Do you trust the government and all the corrupt money involved, or do you trust yourself to find a solution that is right for your family.  You mention that she isn't qualified?  Why?  Are you qualified to make that judgment?  Education has much more to do with caring about the child rather than phds and intelligence.  And they are her children, not yours. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said: When it comes to home schooling and vaccines, I think it is more about who you trust to raise your children.  Do you trust the government and all the corrupt money involved, or do you trust yourself to find a solution that is right for your family.  You mention that she isn't qualified?  Why?  Are you qualified to make that judgment?  Education has much more to do with caring about the child rather than phds and intelligence.  And they are her children, not yours. 

It might be arrogant of me but I feel pretty qualified to say if somebody isn't qualified to home school their kids,  I can't necessarily say who is qualified,  bit I can think of dozens of parents that I know that love their kids but are dumb as posts and allowing them to be the primary educator when it's obvious they never took their own education serious really calls into question their qualifications.  Some people shouldnt be teachers...even if they are the kids parents and love their kids.

@"NorthwestNorseman" said:

Interesting discussion on a Vikings site, lol.   All I know now days is that I don't know.  Big business is all about cutting costs at all costs.  There are many types of vaccines.  Anyone here saying vaccines are tried and true and it is idiotic not to vaccine know if any of the vaccines have changed ingredients/make-up over the years?  I sure don't. 

It's pretty rare for me to "know" 100%...  Hey, this asbestos stuff is great for buildings, yeah, let's put it everywhere.  Hey, this fake sugar replacement stuff we can put in soda and everything else is so healthy for us!  Hey, let's put ground up rubber on this soccer field in place of dirt and let kids roll around in it, no one has proven it isn't bad for anyone...   

I don't know that vaccines are bad for people, but I also know to not trust blindly.  Ive vaccinated my kids because I think the pros outweigh any odds of something bad happening, but no way I'm going to preach that it's 100% safe, idiotic if you don't and that science has proven it. 

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"StickyBun" said: We aren't talking about allergies....or the ethics of Pharma....we're talking about freaking vaccines. A tried and true method of basically saving humanity from pandemic diseases and ensuring future generations of such. But now we have the internet so some parents 'know better'. Give me a break. Its a rabbit hole of idiocy to try and debate vaccines online. Its not a debate, its a proven and highly effective medicinal methodology. 

Its so ridiculous. 

Every single post you've made in this thread is declaring how stupid people are if they don't agree with you.  Do you think that telling people how stupid they are has any value to society?

When it comes to vaccines, of course. Are you kidding?? We aren't talking the preference of chocolate ice cream to vanilla here. Every single post there is that discusses not vaccinating your kids is idiotic. You can paint with a brush that wide on this topic. As I said, there is no 'other' side to this. There is zero value being polite on this subject.

All hail!  The King Sticky has spoken. 

Zero value in arguing with an idiotic stance such as this arrogance.

What i dont understand is why people who have vaccinated their children are scared of an unvaccinated child? This internet community thing is so confusing. We get to rip each other  apart with no real consequence

@"AGRforever" said: antivaxers need to be casterated or have their tubes tied so they dont pass on their genetic deficientcies.

I have no time for people who are so blatantly ignorant. 

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"AGRforever" said: antivaxers need to be casterated or have their tubes tied so they dont pass on their genetic deficientcies.

I have no time for people who are so blatantly ignorant. 

just curious, how do you feel about all the illegals and refugees coming here?  I doubt any of them are vaccinated

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"AGRforever" said: antivaxers need to be casterated or have their tubes tied so they dont pass on their genetic deficientcies.

I have no time for people who are so blatantly ignorant. 

just curious, how do you feel about all the illegals and refugees coming here?  I doubt any of them are vaccinated

that they should vaccinate??  i brought them up further into the thread ad being a major contributing factor along with antivaxers. 

 past that illegals are illegal and should be treated as criminals just as they would in every other developed country in the world. refugees assuming their legal refugees should be treated as a refugee until citizenship is granted. 

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"AGRforever" said: antivaxers need to be casterated or have their tubes tied so they dont pass on their genetic deficientcies.

I have no time for people who are so blatantly ignorant. 

just curious, how do you feel about all the illegals and refugees coming here?  I doubt any of them are vaccinated

that they should vaccinate??  i brought them up further into the thread ad being a major contributing factor along with antivaxers. 

 past that illegals are illegal and should be treated as criminals just as they would in every other developed country in the world. refugees assuming their legal refugees should be treated as a refugee until citizenship is granted. 

A) I didnt want this to sound political, sorry if it sounded even a little like that.
B) if they are illegal, they are most likely very hard to find, and yet their children are in the school system not vaccinated.
C) I am not going to even comment on refugees...

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"AGRforever" said: antivaxers need to be casterated or have their tubes tied so they dont pass on their genetic deficientcies.

I have no time for people who are so blatantly ignorant. 

just curious, how do you feel about all the illegals and refugees coming here?  I doubt any of them are vaccinated

that they should vaccinate??  i brought them up further into the thread ad being a major contributing factor along with antivaxers. 

 past that illegals are illegal and should be treated as criminals just as they would in every other developed country in the world. refugees assuming their legal refugees should be treated as a refugee until citizenship is granted. 

A) I didnt want this to sound political, sorry if it sounded even a little like that.
B) if they are illegal, they are most likely very hard to find, and yet their children are in the school system not vaccinated.
C) I am not going to even comment on refugees...

On B.  If their children are in school they shouldn't be that darn hard to find.  Just wait by the bus for the parents to come get them or follow them home.  I personally have no problem with requiring vaccinations to attend public school unless there is a very very very valid reason to not vaccinate such as an allergy or similar and without an alternative. 

This topic shouldn't be this hard. 

kats customers are not impressed with her decision either... ( i didnt know she sold makeup,  i just thought she was the inked up freak that screwed jessy james when he was married to sandra bullock)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/why-everyone-you-know-is-boycotting-kat-von-d-beauty-products/ar-AAyAujm?li=BBnbfcL

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"AGRforever" said: antivaxers need to be casterated or have their tubes tied so they dont pass on their genetic deficientcies.

I have no time for people who are so blatantly ignorant. 

just curious, how do you feel about all the illegals and refugees coming here?  I doubt any of them are vaccinated

that they should vaccinate??  i brought them up further into the thread ad being a major contributing factor along with antivaxers. 

 past that illegals are illegal and should be treated as criminals just as they would in every other developed country in the world. refugees assuming their legal refugees should be treated as a refugee until citizenship is granted. 

A) I didnt want this to sound political, sorry if it sounded even a little like that.
B) if they are illegal, they are most likely very hard to find, and yet their children are in the school system not vaccinated.
C) I am not going to even comment on refugees...

On B.  If their children are in school they shouldn't be that darn hard to find.  Just wait by the bus for the parents to come get them or follow them home.  I personally have no problem with requiring vaccinations to attend public school unless there is a very very very valid reason to not vaccinate such as an allergy or similar and without an alternative. 

This topic shouldn't be this hard. 

Ya'll should come to Seattle to learn once and for all about vaccines... 

https://www.stgpresents.org/tickets/by-month/event/2626/-