OT: RIP Anthony Bourdain

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Ralphie" said: Bourdain had a well document history of cocaine and heroin addiction going back decades.  In fact, he almost offed himself in 2014 by accidentally overdosing on a weeks worth amount of painkillers and anti-inflammatories and not eating for 36 hours. He often talked about death in interviews and said his main reason for living was his daughter.  Sadly, this latest event might have been triggered by his relationship with his current girlfriend, Asia Argento. 

Yah, Bourdain had some demons in his life thats for sure. I thought his relationship with Argento was a positive thing, so I am surprised to read that. 

@"pumpf" said: I could be wrong... but it is my opinion that the same "elements" that are driving more and more people to kill themselves... is the same thing that drives people to kill others.  I don't want this to turn political in any way, so I'll just leave it at this: treating the symptoms is never going to bring about a cure.

@"IAVike" said:

@"pumpf" said: I could be wrong... but it is my opinion that the same "elements" that are driving more and more people to kill themselves... is the same thing that drives people to kill others.  I don't want this to turn political in any way, so I'll just leave it at this: treating the symptoms is never going to bring about a cure.

The murder rate had been dropping for decades.  In fact, it is about half of what it was in the 1980's/early 90's.

@"IAVike" said:

@"pumpf" said: I could be wrong... but it is my opinion that the same "elements" that are driving more and more people to kill themselves... is the same thing that drives people to kill others.  I don't want this to turn political in any way, so I'll just leave it at this: treating the symptoms is never going to bring about a cure.

The murder rate had been dropping for decades.  In fact, it is about half of what it was in the 1980's/early 90's.

Back to the OP.

I hope their is more reporting, studies, shows on why the suicide rate is up 30% over the last period studied.  Maybe we can learn and prevent even a handful.  I read we have 123 suicides a day in this country for a multitude of reasons from divorce, health issues and financial strain with health issues, job loss, drugs, to depression and mental health issues. 

I think our mental health system needs some real improvements as others have stated.  Access to providers is difficult you usually have to see a string of social workers, NP's, PA's before you even get to the MD and then the costs of care and drugs can be prohibitive for many.  

@"prairieghost" said: My dear lifelong friend lost her daughter to suicide. She died 10 days before her 20th birthday. Her entire life was burdened with mental illness and she struggled mightily to get through every day. Her parents worked night and day to save their child, but in the end it was for naught. She wasn't into drugs or alcohol and she didn't have a sudden life-changing tragedy occur prior to her death. She was, simply, mentally ill. It makes no sense but also makes plenty of sense. It's torture. My son has Asperger's syndrome and has been labeled off and on throughout his life with various diagnoses from behavioral disorder NOS, bipolarism, ADD, ADHD, ODD, and schizophrenia. He's doing quite well now, much better than 3 years ago. I worry about him so much that at times I have panic attacks which I never had as a young person. You learn to live life 1 day at a time for sure. You focus all your energy on getting them through life and doing everything you can to keep them motivated about life because they can stop being motivated without warning. I'm a medical transcriptionist and the number of people who come into the hospital on a daily basis for mental health and/or drug and alcohol issues is so staggering you don't even want to know about it.

Welcome aboard the Longship BeaverVike and thank you for sharing about your daughter. The worry doesn't end when they become adults, it only changes.

Another area to address is veterans and mental health. Too many are falling through the cracks and not getting the help they need. They definitely deserve care and consideration as well.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:  I also think many of "mental health professionals" are likely not nearly educated enough to honestly diagnose an issue and that most of them should not be able to prescribe medications to try and "control" something that they really arent equipped to diagnose to begin with.

That's a hell of a statement right there. 

For me personally if it weren't for mental health professionals.... I would not be here today. For absolute certainty. 

not saying that there arent real professionals out there doing good work,  but the whole mental health crisis is out of whack.

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:  I also think many of "mental health professionals" are likely not nearly educated enough to honestly diagnose an issue and that most of them should not be able to prescribe medications to try and "control" something that they really arent equipped to diagnose to begin with.

That's a hell of a statement right there. 

For me personally if it weren't for mental health professionals.... I would not be here today. For absolute certainty. 

not saying that there arent real professionals out there doing good work,  but the whole mental health crisis is out of whack.

Ever see the side effects for anti-depressants ??  maybe the FDA may ought to look into them alot more before allowing them...  when the most severe side effect is suicidal thoughts from an anti depressant, something is seriously wrong

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:  I also think many of "mental health professionals" are likely not nearly educated enough to honestly diagnose an issue and that most of them should not be able to prescribe medications to try and "control" something that they really arent equipped to diagnose to begin with.

That's a hell of a statement right there. 

For me personally if it weren't for mental health professionals.... I would not be here today. For absolute certainty. 

not saying that there arent real professionals out there doing good work,  but the whole mental health crisis is out of whack.

Ever see the side effects for anti-depressants ??  maybe the FDA may ought to look into them alot more before allowing them...  when the most severe side effect is suicidal thoughts from an anti depressant, something is seriously wrong

and they are handed out like candy.  anti depressants are the biggest item that drug seekers are after outside of pain killers and doctors dont seem to have any issue prescribing them.  a few years back a buddy of mine was working for a chain of pharmacies out in california and he said that nearly every single person that came into their pharms had a script for prozac,  he said they went through more prozac in a week in cali than what he pushed out in a year in sioux falls,sd.   yea he was in a more populated area... but that was rediculous.

Well we certainly are a country dependent on chemicals

Can't imagine the scale of the Bayer/Monsanto merger.  I am sure we are the biggest market for that new monopoly.  

https://bebrainfit.com/fluoride-neurotoxin/

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:  I also think many of "mental health professionals" are likely not nearly educated enough to honestly diagnose an issue and that most of them should not be able to prescribe medications to try and "control" something that they really arent equipped to diagnose to begin with.

That's a hell of a statement right there. 

For me personally if it weren't for mental health professionals.... I would not be here today. For absolute certainty. 

not saying that there arent real professionals out there doing good work,  but the whole mental health crisis is out of whack.

Ever see the side effects for anti-depressants ??  maybe the FDA may ought to look into them alot more before allowing them...  when the most severe side effect is suicidal thoughts from an anti depressant, something is seriously wrong

and they are handed out like candy.  anti depressants are the biggest item that drug seekers are after outside of pain killers and doctors dont seem to have any issue prescribing them.  a few years back a buddy of mine was working for a chain of pharmacies out in california and he said that nearly every single person that came into their pharms had a script for prozac,  he said they went through more prozac in a week in cali than what he pushed out in a year in sioux falls,sd.   yea he was in a more populated area... but that was rediculous.

Well, I guess that explains Cali...  

I also think outside the box a lot, I think you need to look at all the GMO foods, and Fluoride in water and see the harm they do to the human brain as well.

Medications are a complex issue. And some are being handed out like candy no doubt. Just like opioids are an issue, I would go across the board and look into other medications. Side effects are a huge part of the problem. You take one medication that has certain side effects, so you are prescribed another one to counteract those side effects. And then some medications interact with each other. Some people build up a tolerance to a medication over time or the medication becomes ineffective. I hate that there are commercials for medications. The list of side effects is ridiculous. I think that's where some of the problems come from. It is interesting that you can go online and type in your medications and find out how they interact. It also depends on the individual. Is the individual looks for a solution to the root of the problem or a mask for the symptoms. Some people want a quick fix but in reality there isn't one. 

@"Vikergirl" said: Medications are a complex issue. And some are being handed out like candy no doubt. Just like opioids are an issue, I would go across the board and look into other medications. Side effects are a huge part of the problem. You take one medication that has certain side effects, so you are prescribed another one to counteract those side effects. And then some medications interact with each other. Some people build up a tolerance to a medication over time or the medication becomes ineffective. I hate that there are commercials for medications. The list of side effects is ridiculous. I think that's where some of the problems come from. It is interesting that you can go online and type in your medications and find out how they interact. It also depends on the individual. Is the individual looks for a solution to the root of the problem or a mask for the symptoms. Some people want a quick fix but in reality there isn't one. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:  I also think many of "mental health professionals" are likely not nearly educated enough to honestly diagnose an issue and that most of them should not be able to prescribe medications to try and "control" something that they really arent equipped to diagnose to begin with.

That's a hell of a statement right there. 

For me personally if it weren't for mental health professionals.... I would not be here today. For absolute certainty. 

not saying that there arent real professionals out there doing good work,  but the whole mental health crisis is out of whack.

Ever see the side effects for anti-depressants ??  maybe the FDA may ought to look into them alot more before allowing them...  when the most severe side effect is suicidal thoughts from an anti depressant, something is seriously wrong

and they are handed out like candy.  anti depressants are the biggest item that drug seekers are after outside of pain killers and doctors dont seem to have any issue prescribing them.  a few years back a buddy of mine was working for a chain of pharmacies out in california and he said that nearly every single person that came into their pharms had a script for prozac,  he said they went through more prozac in a week in cali than what he pushed out in a year in sioux falls,sd.   yea he was in a more populated area... but that was rediculous.

Well, I guess that explains Cali...  

I also think outside the box a lot, I think you need to look at all the GMO foods, and Fluoride in water and see the harm they do to the human brain as well.

I dont  know how outside the box those items are, they have been discussed for year.  However I dont know that I subscribe to the fluoride concerns.  GMOs are a debatable matter though.  I am sure that air is bad for some people,  there is always going to be something wrong with a minority of people that calls into question the use of products for the majority of people or products that are deemed safe that as science catches up we discover that they werent as safe as we thought... doesnt mean that we shouldnt have used them at all though.

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:  I also think many of "mental health professionals" are likely not nearly educated enough to honestly diagnose an issue and that most of them should not be able to prescribe medications to try and "control" something that they really arent equipped to diagnose to begin with.

That's a hell of a statement right there. 

For me personally if it weren't for mental health professionals.... I would not be here today. For absolute certainty. 

not saying that there arent real professionals out there doing good work,  but the whole mental health crisis is out of whack.

Ever see the side effects for anti-depressants ??  maybe the FDA may ought to look into them alot more before allowing them...  when the most severe side effect is suicidal thoughts from an anti depressant, something is seriously wrong

and they are handed out like candy.  anti depressants are the biggest item that drug seekers are after outside of pain killers and doctors dont seem to have any issue prescribing them.  a few years back a buddy of mine was working for a chain of pharmacies out in california and he said that nearly every single person that came into their pharms had a script for prozac,  he said they went through more prozac in a week in cali than what he pushed out in a year in sioux falls,sd.   yea he was in a more populated area... but that was rediculous.

Well, I guess that explains Cali...  

I also think outside the box a lot, I think you need to look at all the GMO foods, and Fluoride in water and see the harm they do to the human brain as well.

I dont  know how outside the box those items are, they have been discussed for year.  However I dont know that I subscribe to the fluoride concerns.  GMOs are a debatable matter though.  I am sure that air is bad for some people,  there is always going to be something wrong with a minority of people that calls into question the use of products for the majority of people or products that are deemed safe that as science catches up we discover that they werent as safe as we thought... doesnt mean that we shouldnt have used them at all though.

Click the link I provided above to show you the danger of ingesting fluoride into your body

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/12/619274492/1-in-3-adults-in-the-u-s-take-medications-that-can-cause-depression?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180612

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:  I also think many of "mental health professionals" are likely not nearly educated enough to honestly diagnose an issue and that most of them should not be able to prescribe medications to try and "control" something that they really arent equipped to diagnose to begin with.

That's a hell of a statement right there. 

For me personally if it weren't for mental health professionals.... I would not be here today. For absolute certainty. 

not saying that there arent real professionals out there doing good work,  but the whole mental health crisis is out of whack.

Ever see the side effects for anti-depressants ??  maybe the FDA may ought to look into them alot more before allowing them...  when the most severe side effect is suicidal thoughts from an anti depressant, something is seriously wrong

and they are handed out like candy.  anti depressants are the biggest item that drug seekers are after outside of pain killers and doctors dont seem to have any issue prescribing them.  a few years back a buddy of mine was working for a chain of pharmacies out in california and he said that nearly every single person that came into their pharms had a script for prozac,  he said they went through more prozac in a week in cali than what he pushed out in a year in sioux falls,sd.   yea he was in a more populated area... but that was rediculous.

Well, I guess that explains Cali...  

I also think outside the box a lot, I think you need to look at all the GMO foods, and Fluoride in water and see the harm they do to the human brain as well.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:  I also think many of "mental health professionals" are likely not nearly educated enough to honestly diagnose an issue and that most of them should not be able to prescribe medications to try and "control" something that they really arent equipped to diagnose to begin with.

That's a hell of a statement right there. 

For me personally if it weren't for mental health professionals.... I would not be here today. For absolute certainty. 

not saying that there arent real professionals out there doing good work,  but the whole mental health crisis is out of whack.

Ever see the side effects for anti-depressants ??  maybe the FDA may ought to look into them alot more before allowing them...  when the most severe side effect is suicidal thoughts from an anti depressant, something is seriously wrong

and they are handed out like candy.  anti depressants are the biggest item that drug seekers are after outside of pain killers and doctors dont seem to have any issue prescribing them.  a few years back a buddy of mine was working for a chain of pharmacies out in california and he said that nearly every single person that came into their pharms had a script for prozac,  he said they went through more prozac in a week in cali than what he pushed out in a year in sioux falls,sd.   yea he was in a more populated area... but that was rediculous.

Well, I guess that explains Cali...  

I also think outside the box a lot, I think you need to look at all the GMO foods, and Fluoride in water and see the harm they do to the human brain as well.

I can't speak for California but I'll speak for my state. Florida has a huge pill problem. They changed some laws and increased difficulty of obtaining pills. Mostly pain meds. Cracked down on pill mill doctor's. We had people coming in for out of state to our "pain clinics". It was an embarrassment. Still a big problem and still touches alot of lives. At least some who were profiting off it are being held accountable. Sorry if you are handing out 2-3 months "supplies" 250+ pills to out of staters you barely checked you are no longer a doctor. You're a pusher. 
But to the topic of anti-depressants. We do a woeful job of helping mentally ill. If you have no means of support or health insurance. As alot of them don't. They pick you up off the street or something. The officers determine your mental state. They baker act you. Then the doctors have 72 hours to get you better. Which means usually sending you on your way with a bottle of pills. They will give you a referral to  mental health sevices. Get in line for weeks if not months for outpatient with no money. The state run mental hospitals we have are so few and underfunded they are reduced to mostly getting people competent to stand trial. They have 7 hospitals with around 400-600 capacity being the biggest. That's less then 4000 beds. For a state of nearly 21 million. So they keep trying to numb the symptoms insted of treating the causes. It's a sad state of the mental health problem that I'm sure is not confined to my state. We are maybe just worse at it. So you wonder why after years or less maybe of the cycle. Baker acted, released, drugged but still confused. You say screw it and check yourself out. Permanently.