This is almost blasphemous to ask........BUT
What would Zimmer (or future Vikings coach) have to do to eclipse Grant (God, I hate to ask this) as the greatest coach in our franchise history?
4 Super Bowl Appearances?
1, 2, 3 or more SB victories?
Nothing....what the Hell are you thinking Vanguard?
I love what Grant did and lament what he couldn't do.
1 SB win for this long-time fan.
Omg! That is an unbelievable ask but a Super Bowl victory would definitely cement Zimmer's legacy. But Coach Grant is a legend regardless. I would add an option to your list, I would add the what the hell are you drinking option.
Thanks for not initially raking me over the coals...yeah 45 year plus for me too...
I really can't even decide, which is why I'm asking.
also curious if our younger fans who didn't live through the Grant years have a different perspective.
If Zimmer wins this franchise our first Super Bowl he will vault to the top of the list. He would have accomplished what no one else could do... including Grant.
Just my opinion.
I'm just getting older, close to retiring. And melancholy...
if I were to die tomorrow, there is only ONE THING I'd regret...yup...never seeing my beloved Vikings raise the Lombardi trophy. Yeah, nothing I can control, but would just like
my almost five decades of devotion reciprocated.
I remember so fondly those days of him on the sidelines..
Such admiration for him, and those teams of the '70s.
my dad coached, and saw his capacity as a role model for young men. Never heard him utter a foul word in my life, nor belittle a player....Always the teacher, put his arm around kids and asked them to self-assess....good or bad...
He respected Grant every bit as much as I do.
grant is the greatest coach until someone wins multiple super bowls or wins one and appears in another. Zimmer still has to pass Denny first. Grant had rare leadership qualities and unquestionable accomplishments
Why can't we have 2 greats? Other teams do. If I had to give an answer it would be at least two trips and at least one win. Still wouldn't erase what Bud accomplished.
I think it's harder to get your team back after losing. How many teams have been destroyed after losing one? Makes what Marv Levy did even more incredible.
@"purplefaithful" said: I love what Grant did and lament what he couldn't do.1 SB win for this long-time fan.
This
Longevity
Keep a solid foundation to be competitive year after year.
Win the big one or appear in several.
sweep the Packers yearly!
I think it takes two SB victories to pull even. After that, any more appearances might make Coach X pull away.
This is all assuming the two victories come first. If Coach X starts to accumulate appearances with out wins, you might be into comparing teams, etc.
Zim is one miracle play away from being 0-2 in playoffs after his team claimed their division title. Meanwhile Grant was 8-7 in the playoffs when his team finished with double digit wins. And actually 4 of those losses were in the Super Bowl. So getting to the Big Game Bud has a record of 8-3. Pretty Damn Good.
I am hoping that Zim can get the team to the Super Bowl and win... But Grant will always be my coach.
@"Bezerker88" said: Zim is one miracle play away from being 0-2 in playoffs after his team claimed their division title. Meanwhile Grant was 8-7 in the playoffs when his team finished with double digit wins. And actually 4 of those losses were in the Super Bowl. So getting to the Big Game Bud has a record of 8-3. Pretty Damn Good.I am hoping that Zim can get the team to the Super Bowl and win... But Grant will always be my coach.
I think it's very important to keep the overall playoff record in mind, as well as longevity in regular season records. That said, the kind of coach longevity that the NFL saw in the 1970s is really unlikely today.
Just one Super Bowl Win. It's pretty simple and unanimous. Love Bud Grant (the coach and the man) but it's pretty simple.
I think it's impossible to compare accomplishments in the 60s and 70s to today's game. This team would destroy the old teams and the game planning today would completely manhandle those older teams.
It would be an exercise in futility to even try and draw a comparison between the two. Bud had grest and dominating defenses in his day, Zim has a great and dominating D in today's much more challenging NFL, neither has been able to achieve the ultimate prize so really they are on the same plane... great football minds that haven't won a superbowl.
@"Bezerker88" said: Zim is one miracle play away from being 0-2 in playoffs after his team claimed their division title. Meanwhile Grant was 8-7 in the playoffs when his team finished with double digit wins. And actually 4 of those losses were in the Super Bowl. So getting to the Big Game Bud has a record of 8-3. Pretty Damn Good.I am hoping that Zim can get the team to the Super Bowl and win... But Grant will always be my coach.
I like to think that the Minnesota Miracle made up for Walsh shanking the shit out of a 27 yard FG that would have won us our first playoff game under Zimmer...
Grant was a LONG time ago....I mean, 1983 was 35 years ago. Its a little more than sad that we might still be pining for this guy as nothing really has happened since then (no Superbowl appearances). I respect and love Grant, but my favorite coach will be the one that brings home the Superbowl trophy.
@"JimmyinSD" said: I think it's impossible to compare accomplishments in the 60s and 70s to today's game. This team would destroy the old teams and the game planning today would completely manhandle those older teams.It would be an exercise in futility to even try and draw a comparison between the two. Bud had grest and dominating defenses in his day, Zim has a great and dominating D in today's much more challenging NFL, neither has been able to achieve the ultimate prize so really they are on the same plane... great football minds that haven't won a superbowl.
I'm not one to compare old to new. The game changed. The players are bigger stronger and faster. I don't like that people dismiss teams or players/athletes from one generation because they don't match another. What if them athletes/teams were trained from teen years through the pros by todays technology. Great is great. Some if not most would be 15 pounds heavier and stronger now. Sure if you picked up the 1972 Vikings and dropped them in 2018 they'd get killed. Give them 15 years modern training?? Drop a modern fighter jet in WWII it would clean house. Not because the pilot has more nerve and commitment.
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