Remmers @ RG in latest iteration of Vikings OL
The full Vikings’ 90-man roster was present during the fifth Organized Team Activity practice on Wednesday morning.
Linebacker Anthony Barr returned after taking out an insurance policy to protect himself against injury, in lieu of a contract extension he wanted before OTAs this spring. He completed the Vikings’ starting lineups after sitting out last week.
The next most notable change was Mike Remmers moving to right guard, as forecasted a week ago by head coach Mike Zimmer. Remmers took snaps at guard throughout Wednesday’s team sessions. Rashod Hill replaced him at right tackle.
With center Pat Elflein still sidelined after offseason ankle surgery, guards Tom Compton and Danny Isidora rotated at left guard. Nick Easton moved to center in Elflein’s place.
http://www.startribune.com/vikings-ota-observations-mike-remmers-taking-reps-at-right-guard/484073021/
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I'm anxious to see how things change after they strap the pads on... just going off the OTA depth chart, it looks like this at the moment:
Starters: Reiff, Easton, Elflein, Remmers, Hill
2nd string: Collins (OT), Compton (OG), Isidora (OG), O'Neill (OT)
Next in line: Gossett (OG), Edison (C)
Based on what we saw last year, if Hill is our best option at RT... we're screwed. I really don't know why they don't just keep Remmers there. He was better than Hill at pass pro... and I have to assume that he was better at run blocking. Hill isn't the long-term answer anyway. So why not keep Remmers there until someone better comes along?
@"pumpf" said: Based on what we saw last year, if Hill is our best option at RT... we're screwed. I really don't know why they don't just keep Remmers there. He was better than Hill at pass pro... and I have to assume that he was better at run blocking. Hill isn't the long-term answer anyway. So why not keep Remmers there until someone better comes along?It's early, I am sure they are hoping that Hill will improve with full reps for a while.
Way too early to see what will be the final group. Easton will be back and that's good. I don't expect the line to look much different than the group that started last year other than replacing Berger obviously.
@"JimmyinSD" said:Yeah it's real early. They probably are just getting the guy who needs more reps at the position work. I think Remmers is the RT opening day. Hill might need to come in some time during the season. At least thats what I hope they're doing.@"pumpf" said: Based on what we saw last year, if Hill is our best option at RT... we're screwed. I really don't know why they don't just keep Remmers there. He was better than Hill at pass pro... and I have to assume that he was better at run blocking. Hill isn't the long-term answer anyway. So why not keep Remmers there until someone better comes along? It's early, I am sure they are hoping that Hill will improve with full reps for a while.
Nothing on Josh Andrews? I assumed he was soneone Flip liked.
Maybe Hill has gotten better since last year. Why write him off so soon?
@"JimmyinSD" said:I think Hill has the better Pass Pro body. He is still very young in the NFL, was on a practice squad just a year and half ago.@"pumpf" said: Based on what we saw last year, if Hill is our best option at RT... we're screwed. I really don't know why they don't just keep Remmers there. He was better than Hill at pass pro... and I have to assume that he was better at run blocking. Hill isn't the long-term answer anyway. So why not keep Remmers there until someone better comes along? It's early, I am sure they are hoping that Hill will improve with full reps for a while.
@"HappyViking" said: Maybe Hill has gotten better since last year. Why write him off so soon?
He might be young- and improving. And I think he will do fine as a short-term "fill-in" (the world needs ditch-diggers, too). But I thought Remmers was the much better RT last year.
@"pumpf" said:@"HappyViking" said: Maybe Hill has gotten better since last year. Why write him off so soon?
He might be young- and improving. And I think he will do fine as a short-term "fill-in" (the world needs ditch-diggers, too). But I thought Remmers was the much better RT last year.
Sure, Remmers was better at RT. But I don't think he would've held up much better than Hill did in those playoff games. The bottom line is that Hill still has some upside. And the Vikings obviously WANT him to win the RT position. It will be the best five. The Vikings just have to figure out whether they're better with a Remmers-Hill combo or a Compton/Isadora - Remmers combo. And that may not be determined until September.
@"MaroonBells" said:Facing Jordan may have left a different impression of Remmers. As much as I hated the shuffle for the playoff game, that is what injuries do.@"pumpf" said:@"HappyViking" said: Maybe Hill has gotten better since last year. Why write him off so soon?
He might be young- and improving. And I think he will do fine as a short-term "fill-in" (the world needs ditch-diggers, too). But I thought Remmers was the much better RT last year.
Sure, Remmers was better at RT. But I don't think he would've held up much better than Hill did in those playoff games. The bottom line is that Hill still has some upside. And the Vikings obviously WANT him to win the RT position. It will be the best five. The Vikings just have to figure out whether they're better with a Remmers-Hill combo or a Compton/Isadora - Remmers combo. And that may not be determined until September.As to Remmers actually being better, I remember him missing 4-6 weeks in the middle of the season, so memory may be selective there.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"HappyViking" said: Maybe Hill has gotten better since last year. Why write him off so soon?
He might be young- and improving. And I think he will do fine as a short-term "fill-in" (the world needs ditch-diggers, too). But I thought Remmers was the much better RT last year.
Sure, Remmers was better at RT. But I don't think he would've held up much better than Hill did in those playoff games. The bottom line is that Hill still has some upside. And the Vikings obviously WANT him to win the RT position. It will be the best five. The Vikings just have to figure out whether they're better with a Remmers-Hill combo or a Compton/Isadora - Remmers combo. And that may not be determined until September.
You might be right. I will certainly have to acknowledge that the coaching staff knows more than I do.
@"pumpf" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"HappyViking" said: Maybe Hill has gotten better since last year. Why write him off so soon?
He might be young- and improving. And I think he will do fine as a short-term "fill-in" (the world needs ditch-diggers, too). But I thought Remmers was the much better RT last year.
Sure, Remmers was better at RT. But I don't think he would've held up much better than Hill did in those playoff games. The bottom line is that Hill still has some upside. And the Vikings obviously WANT him to win the RT position. It will be the best five. The Vikings just have to figure out whether they're better with a Remmers-Hill combo or a Compton/Isadora - Remmers combo. And that may not be determined until September.
You might be right. I will certainly have to acknowledge that the coaching staff knows more than I do.
uh, correctamundo. Hill had a rough patch at the end of the season and playoffs, he played very well before that. The coaches saw this too. It doesn't matter what we fans think, that's for sure.
We wouldn't be having this conversation if we had just picked Will Hernandez in the first round. Just sayin.......
@"Norseman" said: We wouldn't be having this conversation if we had just picked Will Hernandez in the first round. Just sayin.......Nope...we would be arguing about why we took a man blocking guard in the first round for a zone scheme.
@"JimmyinSD" said:Probably. But then the Giants should have the same questions since Shurmur will almost certainly employ a lot of the same zone runs he used in Minnesota. Personally, I think Hernandez might be "best" in a power scheme, but he can also move really well. I don't think he's limited to power schemes at all, which is probably good since their new back, Saquon Barkley, is a very good outside zone runner.@"Norseman" said: We wouldn't be having this conversation if we had just picked Will Hernandez in the first round. Just sayin....... Nope...we would be arguing about why we took a man blocking guard in the first round for a zone scheme.
@"MaroonBells" said:point was, there was no perfect answer after the 3 that we all seemed to agree on. Rick followed his board and draft experience, if they didnt have the guy rated as high for what ever reason then I am cool with it... and no matter who they took when there was likely to be arguments.@"JimmyinSD" said:Probably. But then the Giants should have the same questions since Shurmur will almost certainly employ a lot of the same zone runs he used in Minnesota. Personally, I think Hernandez might be "best" in a power scheme, but he can also move really well. I don't think he's limited to power schemes at all, which is probably good since their new back, Saquon Barkley, is a very good outside zone runner.@"Norseman" said: We wouldn't be having this conversation if we had just picked Will Hernandez in the first round. Just sayin....... Nope...we would be arguing about why we took a man blocking guard in the first round for a zone scheme.
@"JimmyinSD" said:Not if everyone would just agree with me...@"MaroonBells" said:point was, there was no perfect answer after the 3 that we all seemed to agree on. Rick followed his board and draft experience, if they didnt have the guy rated as high for what ever reason then I am cool with it... and no matter who they took when there was likely to be arguments.@"JimmyinSD" said:Probably. But then the Giants should have the same questions since Shurmur will almost certainly employ a lot of the same zone runs he used in Minnesota. Personally, I think Hernandez might be "best" in a power scheme, but he can also move really well. I don't think he's limited to power schemes at all, which is probably good since their new back, Saquon Barkley, is a very good outside zone runner.@"Norseman" said: We wouldn't be having this conversation if we had just picked Will Hernandez in the first round. Just sayin....... Nope...we would be arguing about why we took a man blocking guard in the first round for a zone scheme.
@"greediron" said:why would we all want to be wrong?@"JimmyinSD" said:Not if everyone would just agree with me...@"MaroonBells" said:point was, there was no perfect answer after the 3 that we all seemed to agree on. Rick followed his board and draft experience, if they didnt have the guy rated as high for what ever reason then I am cool with it... and no matter who they took when there was likely to be arguments.@"JimmyinSD" said:Probably. But then the Giants should have the same questions since Shurmur will almost certainly employ a lot of the same zone runs he used in Minnesota. Personally, I think Hernandez might be "best" in a power scheme, but he can also move really well. I don't think he's limited to power schemes at all, which is probably good since their new back, Saquon Barkley, is a very good outside zone runner.@"Norseman" said: We wouldn't be having this conversation if we had just picked Will Hernandez in the first round. Just sayin....... Nope...we would be arguing about why we took a man blocking guard in the first round for a zone scheme.
@"JimmyinSD" said:Haha, and since you were talking draft, you are probably quite correct in that statement.@"greediron" said:why would we all want to be wrong?@"JimmyinSD" said:Not if everyone would just agree with me...@"MaroonBells" said:point was, there was no perfect answer after the 3 that we all seemed to agree on. Rick followed his board and draft experience, if they didnt have the guy rated as high for what ever reason then I am cool with it... and no matter who they took when there was likely to be arguments.@"JimmyinSD" said:Probably. But then the Giants should have the same questions since Shurmur will almost certainly employ a lot of the same zone runs he used in Minnesota. Personally, I think Hernandez might be "best" in a power scheme, but he can also move really well. I don't think he's limited to power schemes at all, which is probably good since their new back, Saquon Barkley, is a very good outside zone runner.@"Norseman" said: We wouldn't be having this conversation if we had just picked Will Hernandez in the first round. Just sayin....... Nope...we would be arguing about why we took a man blocking guard in the first round for a zone scheme.
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