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OFFENSE:
QB: Cousins, Siemian and Sloter. This one is easy.
RB: Cook, Murray and 1 more: Brown, Thomas, or Boone. First issue: can we afford to carry Ham (FB)? I would argue no. Use Morgan or Conklin in his place and free up a spot.
WR: Diggs, Thielen, Wright, and Treadwell. Who else? King, Zylstra, Weineke, Coley, Jones (susp), ... 
TE: Rudolph, Morgan, Conklin. Do we need Bell?  He did nothing last season and that was before we picked up Conklin. 
OL: Reiff, Easton, Elflein, Remmers, and O'Neill. Add at least 4 of Isidora, Hill, Collins, Compton, Andrews, Gossett, ...
I would keep: QB - 3; RB - 3; TE - 3; WR - 6; OL - 10
Someone can take a crack at defense. That might be harder to get down to 25.

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#1 · May 14, 8:40 AM
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I think we keep Ham. 
As for the OL, I think Isidora, Hill and Collins.  The last spot (if we carry only 9)?  I guess we'll see...
I was going to correct you re: Wright (WR)... then I remembered we signed ANOTHER Wright.   :o

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#2 · May 14, 9:16 AM
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I, too, suspect we will keep Ham, I just think that may be a mistake. Do we lose much if anything if we use Morgan or Conklin in his place? Each roster spot is so valuable, we need a pretty compelling reason to justify each name, and that is especially true for the veterans.
If we cut Gossett to put him on the PS, how confident are we that he won't get claimed? And what about Compton and Andrews?  We were pretty luck last year that we did not have many injuries to the OL - at least until late. Depth here is important.
I am assuming that Kendall Wright is in the top 4. It would be great if Treadwell gave us at least one decent year, but I'm not counting on it.  Evidently Zylstra looked good at the rookie camp.
I'm sure a lot of this will get sorted out in training camp. But I expect the Vikings will have to make some difficult decisions this summer.

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I think Kendall Wright could be a surprise for us in that 3rd receiver role. He's a former 1st round draft pick who has put up respectiable numbers despite catching passes from rookie Jake Locker, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Zach Mettenberger, rookie Marcus Mariota and then finally Mike Glennon and rookie Mitch Trubiski, where he led the Bears in receptions. Not a bad little addition to Diggs and Thielen IMO. Unless Treadwell somehow emerges from the ashes, I think Kendall will easily be our #3. 

I know it's easy to overrate rookies, especially before they've even put on pads, but based on what I've seen I would be scared to death to expose Gossett to the waiver wire.

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#4 · May 14, 1:28 PM
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with roater spots becoming so tough, I could see them cutting Tread if he doesnt have a big camp.  I know it doesnt help the cap but a roster spot might be worth it if he isnt adding much.

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#5 · May 14, 2:56 PM
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@"Poiple" said: with roater spots becoming so tough, I could see them cutting Tread if he doesnt have a big camp.  I know it doesnt help the cap but a roster spot might be worth it if he isnt adding much.
You have to at least consider it. I suppose they are not quite ready to give up on him, but if he has a lousy camp, why not? ..... His guaranteed money is a sunk cost; consider it gone.
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#6 · May 14, 7:23 PM
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i just dont k ow who else is on the bubble quite as much as him.  Given that they want to add a few guys to the roster.....

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#7 · May 14, 7:29 PM
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Treadwell will probably be more prepared for TC than he ever has, but is he going to be any faster?

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#8 · May 14, 7:32 PM
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He is not fast, that’s a fact, but is he too slow to get open? CC wasn’t fast. Brandon Marshall wasn’t fast. It can be done. 

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#9 · May 14, 7:36 PM
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I don't see them cutting Treadwell. I've been wrong before. I think if nothing they give him one more year because of his gunner role on ST's and his down field blocking. That's about all he's shined at though.  This will be his last year with the Vikes unless he can figure out how to be at the right place at the right time. I think they keep Ham as well. I believe they will carry only 9 Olinemen. They will probably squeeze another on the PS. We got too many rookies with no shot at a roster spot. Some/most will be exposed to waiver and hopefully make it to the PS. Talent will be lost because now we have too much to go around.

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I think Ham can be the 3rd RB too.   He is very flexible on position as a FB or RB.

Treadwell will stay too.  Outside shot he gets traded but only an outside chance.

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If treddy can't separate himself from the rest of the fodder in training camp, separate him from the team.  Cut your losses and give a possible PLAYER a shot.
We don't need another TW scenario where he's only a poorly thought out decoy and speed bump to block opposing dbs

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@"Akvike" said: If treddy can't separate himself from the rest of the fodder in training camp, separate him from the team.  Cut your losses and give a possible PLAYER a shot. We don't need another TW scenario where he's only a poorly thought out decoy and speed bump to block opposing dbs

But who do you really think is going to push ahead of him among our WRs? Thielen, Diggs, and Wright are the only locks for the roster. Then maybe Stacy Coley is ahead of Treadwell...MAYBE. Yes I am hopeful, but Coley had a reputation for coasting at Miami, so we have to see that he's still committed after a year in the NFL. Even so, that's only 4 guys who may be ahead of Treadwell.
Brandon Zylstra, Cayleb Jones, and Jake Wieneke are all as slow as Treadwell but have less NFL or Vikings experience. Tavarres King is on his 6th team, has been in the NFL 5 years and has only 1 more career catch than Treadwell has caught in 2 years.
Cutting Treadwell would save no money or cap space, so he won't get cut unless there are 6 WRs on the roster who are clearly better than him. I don't see more than 4 who are better, and the Vikings didn't feel a need to draft any WRs to compete with him. He doesn't even turn 23 until next month, either.
Plan on Treadwell being a Viking through 2019. I didn't like picking him either, but they shouldn't cut him just so we can quit regretting the pick. 

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@"Jor-El" said:
@"Akvike" said: If treddy can't separate himself from the rest of the fodder in training camp, separate him from the team.  Cut your losses and give a possible PLAYER a shot. We don't need another TW scenario where he's only a poorly thought out decoy and speed bump to block opposing dbs

But who do you really think is going to push ahead of him among our WRs? Thielen, Diggs, and Wright are the only locks for the roster. Then maybe Stacy Coley is ahead of Treadwell...MAYBE. Yes I am hopeful, but Coley had a reputation for coasting at Miami, so we have to see that he's still committed after a year in the NFL. Even so, that's only 4 guys who may be ahead of Treadwell.
Brandon Zylstra, Cayleb Jones, and Jake Wieneke are all as slow as Treadwell but have less NFL or Vikings experience. Tavarres King is on his 6th team, has been in the NFL 5 years and has only 1 more career catch than Treadwell has caught in 2 years.
Cutting Treadwell would save no money or cap space, so he won't get cut unless there are 6 WRs on the roster who are clearly better than him. I don't see more than 4 who are better, and the Vikings didn't feel a need to draft any WRs to compete with him. He doesn't even turn 23 until next month, either.
Plan on Treadwell being a Viking through 2019. I didn't like picking him either, but they shouldn't cut him just so we can quit regretting the pick. 



I am not sure he is better than some of the others you listed.  Zylstra led the CFL in receiving yards last year which is impressive.

I think the best move the team could make is to trade him to a team instead of cutting him.  But they need to do it before Jume 1st in order to avoid any 2019 cap hit.

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Treadwell would be a hit against the cap if they cut him this year. I don't think they get any relief that way on his contract this year, which means he'll get every chance to hold on. Which sucks.

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If Treadwell gets cut, and another team signs him, we will only be on the hook for the difference between what the other team is paying him and what his guaranteed money from us is.  This is the "offset" language in rookie contracts that we hear a lot about.  Typically, that player will sign with another team for the minimum, but if they want to sign him for multiple years (??), then we might save more than that.  We could save all of his cap number if some sucker would actually take him off our hands in trade.  It might cost us a seventh round pick.  

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@"MarkSP18" said:
@"Jor-El" said:
@"Akvike" said: If treddy can't separate himself from the rest of the fodder in training camp, separate him from the team.  Cut your losses and give a possible PLAYER a shot. We don't need another TW scenario where he's only a poorly thought out decoy and speed bump to block opposing dbs

But who do you really think is going to push ahead of him among our WRs? Thielen, Diggs, and Wright are the only locks for the roster. Then maybe Stacy Coley is ahead of Treadwell...MAYBE. Yes I am hopeful, but Coley had a reputation for coasting at Miami, so we have to see that he's still committed after a year in the NFL. Even so, that's only 4 guys who may be ahead of Treadwell.
Brandon Zylstra, Cayleb Jones, and Jake Wieneke are all as slow as Treadwell but have less NFL or Vikings experience. Tavarres King is on his 6th team, has been in the NFL 5 years and has only 1 more career catch than Treadwell has caught in 2 years.
Cutting Treadwell would save no money or cap space, so he won't get cut unless there are 6 WRs on the roster who are clearly better than him. I don't see more than 4 who are better, and the Vikings didn't feel a need to draft any WRs to compete with him. He doesn't even turn 23 until next month, either.
Plan on Treadwell being a Viking through 2019. I didn't like picking him either, but they shouldn't cut him just so we can quit regretting the pick. 



I am not sure he is better than some of the others you listed.  Zylstra led the CFL in receiving yards last year which is impressive.

I think the best move the team could make is to trade him to a team instead of cutting him.  But they need to do it before Jume 1st in order to avoid any 2019 cap hit.



Leading the CFL doesn't mean shit,  different rules, different field,  different game with much lower talent level.  Remember how excited people have gotten in the past with CFL studs coming south....Remember how most of those stories have turned out?

Maybe there is something to the kid,  but his CFL stats just say that he can catch a football,  which pretty much anybody can do.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MarkSP18" said:
@"Jor-El" said:
@"Akvike" said: If treddy can't separate himself from the rest of the fodder in training camp, separate him from the team.  Cut your losses and give a possible PLAYER a shot. We don't need another TW scenario where he's only a poorly thought out decoy and speed bump to block opposing dbs

But who do you really think is going to push ahead of him among our WRs? Thielen, Diggs, and Wright are the only locks for the roster. Then maybe Stacy Coley is ahead of Treadwell...MAYBE. Yes I am hopeful, but Coley had a reputation for coasting at Miami, so we have to see that he's still committed after a year in the NFL. Even so, that's only 4 guys who may be ahead of Treadwell.
Brandon Zylstra, Cayleb Jones, and Jake Wieneke are all as slow as Treadwell but have less NFL or Vikings experience. Tavarres King is on his 6th team, has been in the NFL 5 years and has only 1 more career catch than Treadwell has caught in 2 years.
Cutting Treadwell would save no money or cap space, so he won't get cut unless there are 6 WRs on the roster who are clearly better than him. I don't see more than 4 who are better, and the Vikings didn't feel a need to draft any WRs to compete with him. He doesn't even turn 23 until next month, either.
Plan on Treadwell being a Viking through 2019. I didn't like picking him either, but they shouldn't cut him just so we can quit regretting the pick. 



I am not sure he is better than some of the others you listed.  Zylstra led the CFL in receiving yards last year which is impressive.

I think the best move the team could make is to trade him to a team instead of cutting him.  But they need to do it before Jume 1st in order to avoid any 2019 cap hit.



Leading the CFL doesn't mean shit,  different rules, different field,  different game with much lower talent level.  Remember how excited people have gotten in the past with CFL studs coming south....Remember how most of those stories have turned out?

Maybe there is something to the kid,  but his CFL stats just say that he can catch a football,  which pretty much anybody can do.



Don't know why you need the profanity but whatever.  You can down play the kids accomplishments all you want.

But many receivers go to the CFL and try to catch on and do not lead the league in receiving yards.

Very few make it to the NFL.

It still is more impressive than Treadwell putting in the record books (for all time) under his name, two full seasons with 21 catches for 215 yards and zero TDs.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MarkSP18" said:
@"Jor-El" said:
@"Akvike" said: If treddy can't separate himself from the rest of the fodder in training camp, separate him from the team.  Cut your losses and give a possible PLAYER a shot. We don't need another TW scenario where he's only a poorly thought out decoy and speed bump to block opposing dbs

But who do you really think is going to push ahead of him among our WRs? Thielen, Diggs, and Wright are the only locks for the roster. Then maybe Stacy Coley is ahead of Treadwell...MAYBE. Yes I am hopeful, but Coley had a reputation for coasting at Miami, so we have to see that he's still committed after a year in the NFL. Even so, that's only 4 guys who may be ahead of Treadwell.
Brandon Zylstra, Cayleb Jones, and Jake Wieneke are all as slow as Treadwell but have less NFL or Vikings experience. Tavarres King is on his 6th team, has been in the NFL 5 years and has only 1 more career catch than Treadwell has caught in 2 years.
Cutting Treadwell would save no money or cap space, so he won't get cut unless there are 6 WRs on the roster who are clearly better than him. I don't see more than 4 who are better, and the Vikings didn't feel a need to draft any WRs to compete with him. He doesn't even turn 23 until next month, either.
Plan on Treadwell being a Viking through 2019. I didn't like picking him either, but they shouldn't cut him just so we can quit regretting the pick. 



I am not sure he is better than some of the others you listed.  Zylstra led the CFL in receiving yards last year which is impressive.

I think the best move the team could make is to trade him to a team instead of cutting him.  But they need to do it before Jume 1st in order to avoid any 2019 cap hit.



Leading the CFL doesn't mean shit,  different rules, different field,  different game with much lower talent level.  Remember how excited people have gotten in the past with CFL studs coming south....Remember how most of those stories have turned out?

Maybe there is something to the kid,  but his CFL stats just say that he can catch a football,  which pretty much anybody can do.



I think I got to agree with you here. Talent level is nowhere equal. The rare few over the years that became stars in the NFL after leaving Canada really give a false impression. Maybe a group of less sung former CFL' s have become solid contributing role players on NFL rosters. Many more practice squad guys have greater impacts in the NFL. If they opted for the CFL maybe even bigger stars up there.
Different game with far less talent.

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@"MarkSP18" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MarkSP18" said:
@"Jor-El" said:
@"Akvike" said: If treddy can't separate himself from the rest of the fodder in training camp, separate him from the team.  Cut your losses and give a possible PLAYER a shot. We don't need another TW scenario where he's only a poorly thought out decoy and speed bump to block opposing dbs

But who do you really think is going to push ahead of him among our WRs? Thielen, Diggs, and Wright are the only locks for the roster. Then maybe Stacy Coley is ahead of Treadwell...MAYBE. Yes I am hopeful, but Coley had a reputation for coasting at Miami, so we have to see that he's still committed after a year in the NFL. Even so, that's only 4 guys who may be ahead of Treadwell.
Brandon Zylstra, Cayleb Jones, and Jake Wieneke are all as slow as Treadwell but have less NFL or Vikings experience. Tavarres King is on his 6th team, has been in the NFL 5 years and has only 1 more career catch than Treadwell has caught in 2 years.
Cutting Treadwell would save no money or cap space, so he won't get cut unless there are 6 WRs on the roster who are clearly better than him. I don't see more than 4 who are better, and the Vikings didn't feel a need to draft any WRs to compete with him. He doesn't even turn 23 until next month, either.
Plan on Treadwell being a Viking through 2019. I didn't like picking him either, but they shouldn't cut him just so we can quit regretting the pick. 



I am not sure he is better than some of the others you listed.  Zylstra led the CFL in receiving yards last year which is impressive.

I think the best move the team could make is to trade him to a team instead of cutting him.  But they need to do it before Jume 1st in order to avoid any 2019 cap hit.



Leading the CFL doesn't mean shit,  different rules, different field,  different game with much lower talent level.  Remember how excited people have gotten in the past with CFL studs coming south....Remember how most of those stories have turned out?

Maybe there is something to the kid,  but his CFL stats just say that he can catch a football,  which pretty much anybody can do.



Don't know why you need the profanity but whatever.  You can down play the kids accomplishments all you want.

But many receivers go to the CFL and try to catch on and do not lead the league in receiving yards.

Very few make it to the NFL.

It still is more impressive than Treadwell putting in the record books (for all time) under his name, two full seasons with 21 catches for 215 yards and zero TDs.



To he fair,  1 person a year leads the CFL in receiving,  how many of those guys transition to the nfl?  I honestly don't know,  but I am guessing not many.  I'm not pissing on the kid,  just saying that leading the CFL in anything isnt much of an endorsement for me anymore.  He may come in and actually do something or he might be another Manny arceneaux or what ever the last ones name was.

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Zylstra is going to suffer from exactly what Treadwell has: the I'm-too-slow-to-get-openitis. The CFL has a much bigger playing surface and the ability to have forward motion before and at the snap of the ball by WRs. Big advantages. 

The WRs are going to be Diggs-Thielen-Wright-Treadwell and more than likely Coley. I wish they'd cut Laquon but that won't happen with the cap hit it would take....I'd rather have Zylstra then Treadwell.

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