Vikes exercise 5th year option on Waynes...

hopefully he wants to be here long term and they can get an extension done that will lower that 5th year hit... but I have my doubts his number comes down.

I heard an estimate it would be about $9M for 2019; is that accurate? Maybe we are jaded by rising salaries, but that actually doesn't seem terrible.

@"Jor-El" said: I heard an estimate it would be about $9M for 2019; is that accurate? Maybe we are jaded by rising salaries, but that actually doesn't seem terrible.

9m sounds like a steal compared to what I expect his agent to be asking for after this coming year.  I am guessing you are right on the rising salary thing taking the sting off some of these lower numbers.  maybe because we spent 3 months arguing about whats fair for a QB.

@"Jor-El" said: I heard an estimate it would be about $9M for 2019; is that accurate? Maybe we are jaded by rising salaries, but that actually doesn't seem terrible.

As the No. 11 pick in the 2015 draft, Waynes will earn $9.069MM in 2019. As shown on PFR’s Fifth-Year Option Tracker, many of the first-round picks from that class have already had the extra season tacked on to their contracts. Teams have until Thursday to make determinations on the remaining players.
Waynes started in all 16 games for the first time in his career last year. He tallied 65 total tackles, two interceptions, eleven passes defensed, and his first career sack.

@"willbjammin" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I heard an estimate it would be about $9M for 2019; is that accurate? Maybe we are jaded by rising salaries, but that actually doesn't seem terrible.

As the No. 11 pick in the 2015 draft, Waynes will earn $9.069MM in 2019. As shown on PFR’s Fifth-Year Option Tracker, many of the first-round picks from that class have already had the extra season tacked on to their contracts. Teams have until Thursday to make determinations on the remaining players.
Waynes started in all 16 games for the first time in his career last year. He tallied 65 total tackles, two interceptions, eleven passes defensed, and his first career sack.

I guess you either “pay the price” by throwing the db’s in early, or pay the price after they are well groomed

I wonder if peters is just THAT big of a douche? getting a 6th, 4th, and a 2019 2nd? he's a good cb, but wow... ?
So for all those saying Zim sucks for grabbing DB after DB. These probowlers can't stay with a team and can't get anything in return. Sherman is a 49er, peters is a ram, etc... let Zim and ricky build. Get our D strong, get guys like Hercules ;) to rush on 3rd down. and lets have kirk dominate with O'neill protecting the blind side for a decade.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"willbjammin" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I heard an estimate it would be about $9M for 2019; is that accurate? Maybe we are jaded by rising salaries, but that actually doesn't seem terrible.

As the No. 11 pick in the 2015 draft, Waynes will earn $9.069MM in 2019. As shown on PFR’s Fifth-Year Option Tracker, many of the first-round picks from that class have already had the extra season tacked on to their contracts. Teams have until Thursday to make determinations on the remaining players.
Waynes started in all 16 games for the first time in his career last year. He tallied 65 total tackles, two interceptions, eleven passes defensed, and his first career sack.

and Peters has already been shown the door by the franchise that drafted him.  I pounded the drum for Peters,  but Trey is rounding into a much better choice IMO.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"willbjammin" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I heard an estimate it would be about $9M for 2019; is that accurate? Maybe we are jaded by rising salaries, but that actually doesn't seem terrible.

As the No. 11 pick in the 2015 draft, Waynes will earn $9.069MM in 2019. As shown on PFR’s Fifth-Year Option Tracker, many of the first-round picks from that class have already had the extra season tacked on to their contracts. Teams have until Thursday to make determinations on the remaining players.
Waynes started in all 16 games for the first time in his career last year. He tallied 65 total tackles, two interceptions, eleven passes defensed, and his first career sack.

and Peters has already been shown the door by the franchise that drafted him.  I pounded the drum for Peters,  but Trey is rounding into a much better choice IMO.

Waynes' arrow is certainly pointing up, and he could end up the better player over the long term, since Peters always seems to be one more stupid move away from suspension. But I don't think you can say he's the better choice yet, considering Peters already has DROY and 1st team All Pro credits to his name.  

I have this feeling Waynes could have a big year - at least statistically. I think he will gamble for INTs a bit more than Rhodes, at least now that he is more comfortable. and he's going to get a lot of opportunities.

Waynes played huge last year,  sure Rhodes were closed,  but I dont think teams really wanted to go at Waynes either.  The dude flat out balled at a high ass level.

@"JimmyinSD" said: Waynes played huge last year,  sure Rhodes were closed,  but I dont think teams really wanted to go at Waynes either.  The dude flat out balled at a high ass level.

I pretty much have stopped guessing at who will do well.  I didnt consider Griff was capable of filling Allen’s shoes and I was very wrong about that. I like being wrong.

@"JimmyinSD" said: Waynes played huge last year,  sure Rhodes were closed,  but I dont think teams really wanted to go at Waynes either.  The dude flat out balled at a high ass level.

IIRC the first couple of games he was picked on, but he certainly stepped up opposite of Rhodes as the season went on.

Maybe the Vikings are thinking next  year  Waynes gets offers that are  two high to match so we  franchise and trade  Waynes next year  at least receiving   better compensating and then highs takes over Waynes spot  .

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Waynes played huge last year,  sure Rhodes were closed,  but I dont think teams really wanted to go at Waynes either.  The dude flat out balled at a high ass level.

IIRC the first couple of games he was picked on, but he certainly stepped up opposite of Rhodes as the season went on.

@"Zanary" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Waynes played huge last year,  sure Rhodes were closed,  but I dont think teams really wanted to go at Waynes either.  The dude flat out balled at a high ass level.

IIRC the first couple of games he was picked on, but he certainly stepped up opposite of Rhodes as the season went on.

I seem to recall Waynes becoming a stout open-field tackler as the season went on, which can be rare in CBs.

I like Waynes, he’s taken a lot of abuse around herebut has rounded into a really good CB. Hopefully the Vikings are able to sign him long term reasonably.

@"Riphawkins" said: I like Waynes, he’s taken a lot of abuse around herebut has rounded into a really good CB. Hopefully the Vikings are able to sign him long term reasonably.

I never gave him any abuse, but I was not his biggest fan early on. He could run with any receiver but he could not find the ball and would panic and interfere or let the ball pass him uncontested for a catch. I thought he had a low ceiling. But he has improved every year.

And to think, if he had been picked one spot earlier, his fifth year option would be $12M.

The biggest compliment I can give Waynes is that he seems coachable.  He has all the physical tools you'd want in a CB, but he was getting burned by NFL WRs his rookie season and also had many flags thrown his way for holding or interference.  Zim had to be patient and work with him, and Trae wanted/accepted getting coached up. 

He's now a very solid CB, maybe never considered an All-Pro level like Rhodes, but still a very solid #2.

I think some underestimate how difficult it is to play largely man corner in the NFL.  Zone CBs arent challenged nearly as hard as man corners,  Waynes is doing a great job IMO for a 3rd year guy in a pass happy league that makes it very difficult to actually cover a receiver.  Yes he was handsy and a bit lost when he came out,  but most are,  hell veterans new to Zims way look like shit for a while (remember Munnerlyns first year?)  Tre is doing a really good job and if he is able to show more growth the next couple years he will be right with Rhodes IMO in ability.  (not sure why people forget Rhodes struggles with staying with guys without drawing flags or simply just botching the coverage.)