Just my opinion
Spielman has done fairly well at drafting over the years. Ill give him that. So far Im not impressed but Id venture to guess very few of us has really looked at eithet of these two prior to being drafted.
As fans we arent used to drafting this low. Weve been able to watch high end prospects get picked year in and out. This is the price of winning. We play harder scheduals. We pick lower in the draft and eventually we run into cap trouble.
This is why teams that loose the championship game rarely get back to it the following year. Im still excited about our chances this year. Ive not been a fan of every move theyve made but it is what it is. There will be aging veteran lineman that hit the FA market. Id have to assume at this point we’re going to look that route before we start training camp.
I do look forward to a post draft update from Geoff!! Hes looked into most these player way beyond what most of us have.
Skol!!!! And FTP!!!!
I liked the Hughes pick. And I see what we are doing with the O'Neill pick. If McGlinchey or Wynn were available at 30, that would likely have been the pick at 30. Hernandez did not fit. Other than Hurst, CB was the right pick. I liked Jackson better. But I hope the Vikings know how to select a CB better than I do. If not, we are certainly screwed.
The draft never worries me unless they make a catastrophically bad pick that's evident from day one. I remember a lot of pissed off people when we drafted somebody named Kevin Williams. Remember that guy? And I remember a lot of people also excited for Matt Kalil.
It's all speculation. Just the same as Monday morning QBing after a loss. If Hughes steps into a contributing role this year because of an injury and O'Neill wins a starter spot on the line, Spielman will be getting accolades for them a year from now.
We all knew going in that this was not going to be a star studded event for our Vikes
Yes we draft lower, but we were not looking for a superstar QB, RB, WR nor DL
WE already have them !
@"Maple Surple" said: We all knew going in that this was not going to be a star studded event for our Vikes Yes we draft lower, but we were not looking for a superstar QB, RB, WR nor DL WE already have them !
Thing is you gotta get a starter or 2-3 each year into the program. They dont have to start this year but we’ll need to see them contribute now and start in the next year or two if we’re to stay dominate.
No one knows how any guy from the draft is going to turn out. I've never understood why people get worked up over selections. I can understand the value aspect of a pick, as it would be totally understandable for people being upset at drafting a punter in the first round, but again, no one really knows how it's going to turn out.
I don't really agree with this statement though: "As fans we arent used to drafting this low."
2016 the Vikings first pick was 23rd. Higher, yes, but it's not like they were picking in the top half.
2017 the Vikings first pick was 41st and that was with a trade up.
Some just aren't happy with the selections. It happens, but it has no bearing on whether or not the selection pans out.
I am not at all worried. It is what it is. We have our own visions and plans but the coaches and front office are handling their business. It just brings us closer to putting the pieces together and assembling the 2018-2019 Minnesota Vikings.
@"silverjoel" said: No one knows how any guy from the draft is going to turn out. I've never understood why people get worked up over selections. I can understand the value aspect of a pick, as it would be totally understandable for people being upset at drafting a punter in the first round, but again, no one really knows how it's going to turn out.I don't really agree with this statement though: "As fans we arent used to drafting this low."
2016 the Vikings first pick was 23rd. Higher, yes, but it's not like they were picking in the top half.
2017 the Vikings first pick was 41st and that was with a trade up.Some just aren't happy with the selections. It happens, but it has no bearing on whether or not the selection pans out.
2017 1st pick was an 8-8 year with Bradford which at the time was the right move.
@"AGRforever" said:@"Maple Surple" said: We all knew going in that this was not going to be a star studded event for our Vikes Yes we draft lower, but we were not looking for a superstar QB, RB, WR nor DL WE already have them !
Thing is you gotta get a starter or 2-3 each year into the program. They dont have to start this year but we’ll need to see them contribute now and start in the next year or two if we’re to stay dominate.
And I think we got those. Hughes looks like he can contribute right away on special teams and he also adds quality depth to a secondary that had a rough last 6 quarters.Oniell looked good against Chubb, give him a shot.
https://youtu.be/JXW7A6eKWDs
ok there were some presents that didnt get put under the tree--but I'm not worried. in fact, i feel pretty good about this draft. We were drafting low, with no real ammunition to trade up. Highes is gonna be good. Big upside with O'Neill and he seems smart and a quick learner. the kicker sounds like an upgrade. I'm optimistic and eager to see how it plays out. I'm willing to bet we are not done revamping the OL and a plan is in place for that.
should be a fun yesr.
I think that you have to listen to Spielman and Stephenson.
They said they had never seen a run on interior linemen like they did in the 2nd round. Spielman also said they had to take O'Neill at 62 because there would be no linemen available at 93.
Not sure how others read this but to me, it sounds like they were expecting a guard/center to be available at or near 62.
They misread the draft this year.
It is fair to be critical when you actually hear them speak.
I was not a fan of taking a guard early either unless it was Price, Wynn, or Ragnow and not even then so much.
But this team has NO right guard worth mentioning and the left guard is just OK.
They do have 3 good corners already and there are still some veteran free agents out there.
I think the people critical of the 1st pick have a legitimate reason to be disappointed.
Is the sky falling? No.
But it is more than OK, and healthy, to express your dismay during and right after the draft.
Four of those that he passed on went in the next ten picks in the early second round. Picking late in the round is a game he isnt used to. He guessed wrong. Maybe they get a vet in the next round of cuts.
Hopefully that CB is faster than his time indicates. 4.53/40 isnt great for a kick returner.
The tackle looks like it will be interesting to see what they do with him.
Surprised with a kicker. I thought they were hapoy with the current one.
I really hope the starters on the O line stay healthy this year. What a crazy draft.
Hughes is much faster on tape than the 4.53 implies. To me he looks like a he’s a 4.40 type of guy. That’s the tough part about the underwear olympics. Some guys just don’t run fast because they can’t get the start down right, nerves, etc. My concern with Hughes is play experience and background. Physically I’m not worried.
@"MarkSP18" said: I think that you have to listen to Spielman and Stephenson.They said they had never seen a run on interior linemen like they did in the 2nd round. Spielman also said they had to take O'Neill at 62 because there would be no linemen available at 93.
Not sure how others read this but to me, it sounds like they were expecting a guard/center to be available at or near 62.
They misread the draft this year.
It is fair to be critical when you actually hear them speak.
I was not a fan of taking a guard early either unless it was Price, Wynn, or Ragnow and not even then so much.
But this team has NO right guard worth mentioning and the left guard is just OK.
They do have 3 good corners already and there are still some veteran free agents out there.
I think the people critical of the 1st pick have a legitimate reason to be disappointed.
Is the sky falling? No.
But it is more than OK, and healthy, to express your dismay during and right after the draft.
I am not sure why people are discounting Compton starting at RG. He is a younger version of Berger.
He gave up 2 sacks all last year. One penalty over the last 11 games and was on a starting OL
the year before that lead to Matt Ryan’s MvP season.
He is a local guy who is highly trusted by our new QB
Starting OL:
Reiff-Easton-Elf-Compton-Remmers
with backups at
T: ONeill, Hill
G: Isodora, Andrews, Collins
3 of your 5 backups and 3 of your starters have position flexibility (aka Easton can play C if necessary, Remmers can play G, etc). I expect Gossett and Storm end up PS
The improvement of play of the youngsters plus the stability of the vets should be at the minimum a better performance than last year’s line
If Elf's ankle is not ready to go for OTA's I expect Andrews will run with the 1s at C. Easton played really well before his injury. He is fine at LG. I believe Compton started in the SB against NE. He probably has the inside track at RG but there is plenty of talent and position flexibility now on the OL. Let them compete in camp and see who wins. We are fine here - barring a run of injuries. I would be very surprised if we sign a FA veteran OL unless there is some unexpected cap casualty that is too good to pass up. Unlikely.
I liked the Hughes pick. DB was our biggest need. I liked Josh Jackson better but the Vikings did not. Oh well.
OL was also a need and we addressed that in the second and again later in the draft. The O'Neill pick shows you what the Vikings value in OL - the ability to move. That's why I think the only viable OL picks in the first were McGlinchey, Miller, and Wynn. Not Will Henderson, even though he could turn out to be really good. But he was not a fit. And I don't think we were ever taking a G/C in the first or second. I think they wanted a T. If O'Neill can start right away, Remmers will compete to start at G and will back up at T.
@"Skodin" said:@"MarkSP18" said: I think that you have to listen to Spielman and Stephenson.They said they had never seen a run on interior linemen like they did in the 2nd round. Spielman also said they had to take O'Neill at 62 because there would be no linemen available at 93.
Not sure how others read this but to me, it sounds like they were expecting a guard/center to be available at or near 62.
They misread the draft this year.
It is fair to be critical when you actually hear them speak.
I was not a fan of taking a guard early either unless it was Price, Wynn, or Ragnow and not even then so much.
But this team has NO right guard worth mentioning and the left guard is just OK.
They do have 3 good corners already and there are still some veteran free agents out there.
I think the people critical of the 1st pick have a legitimate reason to be disappointed.
Is the sky falling? No.
But it is more than OK, and healthy, to express your dismay during and right after the draft.
I am not sure why people are discounting Compton starting at RG. He is a younger version of Berger.He gave up 2 sacks all last year. One penalty over the last 11 games and was on a starting OL
the year before that lead to Matt Ryan’s MvP season.He is a local guy who is highly trusted by our new QB
Starting OL:
Reiff-Easton-Elf-Compton-Remmers
with backups at
T: ONeill, Hill
G: Isodora, Andrews, Collins
3 of your 5 backups and 3 of your starters have position flexibility (aka Easton can play C if necessary, Remmers can play G, etc). I expect Gossett and Storm end up PSThe improvement of play of the youngsters plus the stability of the vets should be at the minimum a better performance than last year’s line
I didn't realize how solid Compton is until we failed to add an immediate starter on the OLine and looked at his history. Strong lower body that uses his power to hold up well to power rushers. He has the flexibility and experience playing guard and tackle so whatever the Vikings decide with Remmers, he can easily handle the other spot. I guess who gets a starting job will depend on how far Isodora and Collins have developed. Gossett could be a sleeper at Guard, but I think he will need more time before he is ready to step in. I'm not sure what to think about Hill. His lack of experience showed up big time in the playoffs. He definitely needs more seasoning, but based on what we saw from him in the starts he had, I'm not convinced he is the long term answer.
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