Replacing Marcus Sherels was our biggest need???

We would have got a better draft pick, probably a top O-lineman, if we had just sucked a lot more last season.

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@"Poiple" said:

@"Zanary" said: So much piss-fitting over a single pick among a crop of untested POTENTIAL NFL players...wow.

This is why I'll never be a draft-urbator: people get more wrung out over pick disagreement than they do over actual game losses.

Wake me when camp starts, and we actually see the team making the actual decisions on the 2018 roster.

You know Zanary, some of us enjoy the off season and watching the team being built as much or more thsn we enjoy the games.  Insulting people who discuss it says more about you than it does about them.  No one expects you to enjoy it, you can simply move on.

@"Poiple" said:

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"Zanary" said: So much piss-fitting over a single pick among a crop of untested POTENTIAL NFL players...wow.

This is why I'll never be a draft-urbator: people get more wrung out over pick disagreement than they do over actual game losses.

Wake me when camp starts, and we actually see the team making the actual decisions on the 2018 roster.

I liked it better when you didn’t know who was drafted until the news that evening of the draft. No Mel Kiper, or ESPN/NFL Network sitting talking bullshit all day long, or for three days.

Now, everyone is an expert, everyone has their two cents. Fans think they are a GM because they put together a team on Madden and won the Super Bowl. 

Discussion is fine, but getting their panties in a wad over who got drafted is just stupid.

where as getting your panties in a wad about people getting their panties in a wad is a fine and noble calling.  B)

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"Poiple" said:

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"Zanary" said: So much piss-fitting over a single pick among a crop of untested POTENTIAL NFL players...wow.

This is why I'll never be a draft-urbator: people get more wrung out over pick disagreement than they do over actual game losses.

Wake me when camp starts, and we actually see the team making the actual decisions on the 2018 roster.

I liked it better when you didn’t know who was drafted until the news that evening of the draft. No Mel Kiper, or ESPN/NFL Network sitting talking bullshit all day long, or for three days.

Now, everyone is an expert, everyone has their two cents. Fans think they are a GM because they put together a team on Madden and won the Super Bowl. 

Discussion is fine, but getting their panties in a wad over who got drafted is just stupid.

where as getting your panties in a wad about people getting their panties in a wad is a fine and noble calling.  B)

My panties aren’t in a wad, so I assume you’re not speaking of me. 

@"Poiple" said:

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"Poiple" said:

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"Zanary" said: So much piss-fitting over a single pick among a crop of untested POTENTIAL NFL players...wow.

This is why I'll never be a draft-urbator: people get more wrung out over pick disagreement than they do over actual game losses.

Wake me when camp starts, and we actually see the team making the actual decisions on the 2018 roster.

I liked it better when you didn’t know who was drafted until the news that evening of the draft. No Mel Kiper, or ESPN/NFL Network sitting talking bullshit all day long, or for three days.

Now, everyone is an expert, everyone has their two cents. Fans think they are a GM because they put together a team on Madden and won the Super Bowl. 

Discussion is fine, but getting their panties in a wad over who got drafted is just stupid.

where as getting your panties in a wad about people getting their panties in a wad is a fine and noble calling.  B)

My panties aren’t in a wad, so I assume you’re not speaking of me. 

yet you replied

I dont know, are you the self appointed wadded pantie checker?

zimmer has stated many times about playing 4 corners and 1 linebacker.   so we needed another corner.    the way zimmer rotates players it doesnt matter who lines up initially to start.  hughes will be seeing a lot of playing time

I thought he was talking about 4 corners and 1 safety, with 2 LBs still in place. Given that we have 1 great safety and 1 who should be a backup, that makes sense. I think he has long wanted to convert a corner into a safety but none of his candidates (Robert Blanton, Antone Exum, Jack Tochco) have worked out yet.

@"Jor-El" said: I thought he was talking about 4 corners and 1 safety, with 2 LBs still in place. Given that we have 1 great safety and 1 who should be a backup, that makes sense. I think he has long wanted to convert a corner into a safety but none of his candidates (Robert Blanton, Antone Exum, Jack Tochco) have worked out yet.

most people see the S position as a slow corner or some such shit,  but S is asked to do so much its really a difficult position to play well.  you need the coverage skills of a CB, coupled with the reading and hitting of a LB.

kind of like TE,  most think of a TE as a big slow receiver,  but once again its a utility belt position,  have to have the size, footwork, and hand work to be an inline blocker,  but still have to have the speed, agility, and hand eye coordination of a receiver. 

IMO this positional demands make them so hard to fill with top level talents that when one does happen to be on your team you are treated to truly great football.   

Think of it this way: Sherels likely gone and replaced with a stud.  Also, Wayne's may, or may not be resigned.  Newman gone after this year.  Plus, jury out on Mac yet.

We could draft a CB every draft imo.  It's a big time position and need on almost every NFL team.

I think Hughes is going to be solid...and a nice improvement over Sherels, who has no business on a field except punt returns...

We know that we picked up Waynes' option, we get Newman back this season, and Mac...well, he's gotta be feeling a little heat right now.

Given that CBs reportedly take about the same time to really "get it" as QBs, I think Waynes has made steady strides in the right direction.  We likely won't know much about Hughes for a season or more, but it seems like he's a potential Winfield 2.0; his reviews list him as undersized, but vicious and smart.

I keep reading about Hughes being undersized but he is listed at slightly taller then 5'10 which is the average size of an NFL CB.  If so, he is an average NFL sized CB not undersized which keeps being repeated.  

@"minny65" said: I keep reading about Hughes being undersized but he is listed at slightly taller then 5'10 which is the average size of an NFL CB.  If so, he is an average NFL sized CB not undersized which keeps being repeated.  

@"Jor-El" said: Undersized CB with average speed, only one year of college experience, not one but TWO allegations of assault, but a pretty good kick returner. Doesn't that sound like a decent 4th round (or later) pick??

BTW, whatever happened to "no more short cornerbacks"?? I'm laughing at the people saying Hughes is a "day one starter at nickel CB". He played outside corner exclusively in college! But he is going to be good covering in the slot, JUST BECAUSE HE'S SHORT?? Hey Zimmer, how did that work out with Josh Robinson? How about Mac Alexander?

Well, I guess as long as Zimmer is here, we will draft CBs the way the Lions used to draft WRs.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"minny65" said: I keep reading about Hughes being undersized but he is listed at slightly taller then 5'10 which is the average size of an NFL CB.  If so, he is an average NFL sized CB not undersized which keeps being repeated.  

on the Vikings.. hes undersized.  Waynes and Rhodes are both 6'1".  even Lil Mack is 5'11".

@"minny65" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"minny65" said: I keep reading about Hughes being undersized but he is listed at slightly taller then 5'10 which is the average size of an NFL CB.  If so, he is an average NFL sized CB not undersized which keeps being repeated.  

on the Vikings.. hes undersized.  Waynes and Rhodes are both 6'1".  even Lil Mack is 5'11".

Understood but he is an average size NFL cornerback.  Just want to make that point because over time posters will be talking about how we drafted a small corner and we didn't.  

I can see the posters who are going to repeat this over and over again until they believe it is true.  Years ago many posters repeated that Sully was small for a starting NFL Center.  I ran the stats for every starting Center and he was average weight and slightly taller and despite providing facts it was repeated over and over again by the same posters that he was too small.  

So I just wanted to make the point early after Hughes was drafted for prevention purposes :)

He’s only .4 in short of their prototype corner/Zim...

@"Kentis" said: He’s only .4 in short of their prototype corner/Zim...

@"greediron" said:

@"Jor-El" said: Undersized CB with average speed, only one year of college experience, not one but TWO allegations of assault, but a pretty good kick returner. Doesn't that sound like a decent 4th round (or later) pick??

BTW, whatever happened to "no more short cornerbacks"?? I'm laughing at the people saying Hughes is a "day one starter at nickel CB". He played outside corner exclusively in college! But he is going to be good covering in the slot, JUST BECAUSE HE'S SHORT?? Hey Zimmer, how did that work out with Josh Robinson? How about Mac Alexander?

Well, I guess as long as Zimmer is here, we will draft CBs the way the Lions used to draft WRs.

Zim didn't draft Robinson.  That was a holdover from the Frazier era.  And Mac played decent last year.  He split time, but was solid from what I remember. 

@"Jor-El" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Jor-El" said: Undersized CB with average speed, only one year of college experience, not one but TWO allegations of assault, but a pretty good kick returner. Doesn't that sound like a decent 4th round (or later) pick??

BTW, whatever happened to "no more short cornerbacks"?? I'm laughing at the people saying Hughes is a "day one starter at nickel CB". He played outside corner exclusively in college! But he is going to be good covering in the slot, JUST BECAUSE HE'S SHORT?? Hey Zimmer, how did that work out with Josh Robinson? How about Mac Alexander?

Well, I guess as long as Zimmer is here, we will draft CBs the way the Lions used to draft WRs.

Zim didn't draft Robinson.  That was a holdover from the Frazier era.  And Mac played decent last year.  He split time, but was solid from what I remember. 

No, Zimmer criticized Robinson because of his height and let him go. My point is he should remember failures that happened on this team while he was here.