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Miller not McGlinchey top tackle?

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Raiders could trade down, take MillerIf the Raiders do in fact trade down from the 10th overall pick -- with someone like New England or Arizona or whoever coming up for a quarterback -- look out for UCLA tackle Kolton Miller to be a top target for them. Problem is, they might not be able to move back far at all and still get him. I continue to hear from evaluators and offensive line coaches I most trust that Miller, and not Notre Dame's Mike McGlinchey, is the best tackle in the draft. Miller has the potential to be an elite left tackle with tremendous feet on a 6-foot-9 frame. There is too much potential to ignore. Plenty of teams in the teens have their eye on him. McGlinchey, from what I gather, is much more likely to go in the late-teens to early-20s. Not sure Miller makes it past Detroit, where he could start on the right side if need be, where he played at UCLA before moving over.

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#1 · Apr 21, 7:46 AM
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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said: If these OTs arent day 1 starters...wait and get a guy that they can groom.  Considering the questions we have at RG and even to some extent LG,  I don't see Remmers at RT as the weak link across the front.
That's exactly what I'm going in my latest mock. I take a guard at 30 and take Joe Noteboom in the 3rd.

Ya'll should really take a look at this kid. 6-5, 319, 34+ arms, 4.9 forty, academic all american. He's not perfect, but his flaws are the coachable kind.  Film is clean. 



I don't think Noteboom will last until the end of the 3rd, when we pick.

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#22 · Apr 22, 5:43 PM
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Miller makes me pucker but the upside makes one drool.  If he or Mcglinchy fall to 30 somehow i think its a no brainer, unless Hernandez and Wynn are there also.   Prolly none will be there.  But like you said this is a deep draft for interior.  i say load up cause if theres a pocket a QB can step up or you can chip on the outside

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#23 · Apr 23, 11:16 AM
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@"Bullazin" said: Miller makes me pucker but the upside makes one drool.  If he or Mcglinchy fall to 30 somehow i think its a no brainer, unless Hernandez and Wynn are there also.   Prolly none will be there.  But like you said this is a deep draft for interior.  i say load up cause if theres a pocket a QB can step up or you can chip on the outside
If I listen to my instincts, I say stay away from both of them, draft one of the many interior guys (Wynn, Hernandez, Ragnow, Price, Corbett) and draft a tackle like Noteboom or Crosby or Christian in the 3rd. That would be much better value IMO. 
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#24 · Apr 23, 12:15 PM
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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"FSUVike" said: I have a question. Signing Richardson was huge because pass rushing 3Ts are hard to find, right?

That means there aren't that many of them out there. So why does RG suddenly become a position that requires a first round pick? 

There are what, 3 or maybe 4 first round picks playing RG in the entire League. Martin, DeCastro, I'm sure there are a few more.

But the vast majority of teams are doing just fine with mid round or even undrafted guys.

And this draft is deep at quality interior linemen...Isn't the better value in the Second? 

Another question. Do you really believe the Vikings thought Remmers was the better RT by the end of the season? 

If they did I'm suddenly scared to death of this coaching staff. Why on God's green and verdant Earrh do you take your starter at the second most important position on your Offensive Line and move him to LG for the first time all year....going into the Playoffs of all times? 

You don't. And neither did coaches. They moved a guy who had already been beaten out by his backup. The same backup that struggled mightily in the Playoffs.

That's why they want to move Mike to RG. He's already been passed by Hill. Who isn't good enough.

There are 4 in-house options to replace Berger. And the sweet spot for interior Linemen is in the 2nd/3rd. Which should yield a fifth option and some really strong competition for both Guard spots in case Easton isn't fully healthy for whatever reason or simply gets beat out of his spot in TC.

Meanwhile, either Remmers somehow improves at nearly 30 years old or Hill's only real competition will be Collins, whom I like but is still pretty raw.

Right Tackle is a question mark. Period. And it's a more important position. If I'm Rick I don't want to enter the year after so many positive things have happened this offseason with a question mark at such an important position.

I'd move up and get McGlinchey. Forget the recent downplaying of his talent. GMs are spreading smoke everywhere right now and the media eats it.like crack.

Ryan Ramczyk had a far smaller resume than Mike has and went 32 to the Saints. He goes on to Start all 16 games. In a redraft he'd certainly go higher.

McGlinchey is a better player. No,.he's not a Franchise LT. He's a League Average LT. But at RT he's better than average out of the gate with Top 10 potential.

Any comparison to Kalil is crap. Mike has a motor. He finishes plays. He plays through the whistle. And he won't be picked in the Top 5 to be a Franchise LT. 

If McGlinchey makes it past Cincinnati (doubtful) I would seriously consider trading up.

But I expect the price to move in front of the Bungles will be too high for Rick. He still needs a CB, rotational DE, Jet replacement and probably another TE. Not all of them have to come from the Draft, but Rick will want the flexibility of having multiple picks. So I don't see him moving up far enough to get Mike.

If Wynn or Hernandez is on the Board then you take him. Won't solve RT, but RG is locked down long-term with really nice depth. I think they will both be gone and Rick won't find a trading partner for a change.

So I'm guessing Defense or TE with the first pick. But if a RT starta to slide far enough Trader Rick just might surprise us. 


Wouldn't surprise me one bit if McGlinchey fall right past 30 into the 2nd round.

I agree that we should move Remmers. He's just not a RT. It's amazing he's lasted this long there. Guy has 31 inch arms.

You want a tackle, you'd be better off with Wynn than any of the others IMO. He's a prototype at guard, but I wouldn't count him out at tackle. 

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#25 · Apr 23, 2:36 PM
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@"FSUVike" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"FSUVike" said: I have a question. Signing Richardson was huge because pass rushing 3Ts are hard to find, right?

That means there aren't that many of them out there. So why does RG suddenly become a position that requires a first round pick? 

There are what, 3 or maybe 4 first round picks playing RG in the entire League. Martin, DeCastro, I'm sure there are a few more.

But the vast majority of teams are doing just fine with mid round or even undrafted guys.

And this draft is deep at quality interior linemen...Isn't the better value in the Second? 

Another question. Do you really believe the Vikings thought Remmers was the better RT by the end of the season? 

If they did I'm suddenly scared to death of this coaching staff. Why on God's green and verdant Earrh do you take your starter at the second most important position on your Offensive Line and move him to LG for the first time all year....going into the Playoffs of all times? 

You don't. And neither did coaches. They moved a guy who had already been beaten out by his backup. The same backup that struggled mightily in the Playoffs.

That's why they want to move Mike to RG. He's already been passed by Hill. Who isn't good enough.

There are 4 in-house options to replace Berger. And the sweet spot for interior Linemen is in the 2nd/3rd. Which should yield a fifth option and some really strong competition for both Guard spots in case Easton isn't fully healthy for whatever reason or simply gets beat out of his spot in TC.

Meanwhile, either Remmers somehow improves at nearly 30 years old or Hill's only real competition will be Collins, whom I like but is still pretty raw.

Right Tackle is a question mark. Period. And it's a more important position. If I'm Rick I don't want to enter the year after so many positive things have happened this offseason with a question mark at such an important position.

I'd move up and get McGlinchey. Forget the recent downplaying of his talent. GMs are spreading smoke everywhere right now and the media eats it.like crack.

Ryan Ramczyk had a far smaller resume than Mike has and went 32 to the Saints. He goes on to Start all 16 games. In a redraft he'd certainly go higher.

McGlinchey is a better player. No,.he's not a Franchise LT. He's a League Average LT. But at RT he's better than average out of the gate with Top 10 potential.

Any comparison to Kalil is crap. Mike has a motor. He finishes plays. He plays through the whistle. And he won't be picked in the Top 5 to be a Franchise LT. 

If McGlinchey makes it past Cincinnati (doubtful) I would seriously consider trading up.

But I expect the price to move in front of the Bungles will be too high for Rick. He still needs a CB, rotational DE, Jet replacement and probably another TE. Not all of them have to come from the Draft, but Rick will want the flexibility of having multiple picks. So I don't see him moving up far enough to get Mike.

If Wynn or Hernandez is on the Board then you take him. Won't solve RT, but RG is locked down long-term with really nice depth. I think they will both be gone and Rick won't find a trading partner for a change.

So I'm guessing Defense or TE with the first pick. But if a RT starta to slide far enough Trader Rick just might surprise us. 


Wouldn't surprise me one bit if McGlinchey fall right past 30 into the 2nd round.

I agree that we should move Remmers. He's just not a RT. It's amazing he's lasted this long there. Guy has 31 inch arms.

You want a tackle, you'd be better off with Wynn than any of the others IMO. He's a prototype at guard, but I wouldn't count him out at tackle. 

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#26 · Apr 23, 2:53 PM
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He struggled against speed rushers on the Left Side, not the right. And he was just fine at RT without playing next to Nelson.

He would have gone in the Top 15 if he came out after his Junior year. He stsys, has some bad snaps, not games, and I suddenly not as good as Ramczyk? I don't think so.

I really respect your opinion but this time I think you're misreading the tea leaves.

However, I agree that you can still find a Starter after the 1st Round and there are definitely some intriguing diamond in the rough prospects this year just like last year. I'm just hoping one we like doesn't go one slot ahead to the dang Patriots like last year.

I just want some stout competition for RT this TC. Draft pick, Collins and Hill.  Drsft pick, Remmers, Izxy, Compton, the other guy I can never remember. The Starters on the right side will have earned their spots.

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#27 · Apr 23, 5:24 PM
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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"FSUVike" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"FSUVike" said: I have a question. Signing Richardson was huge because pass rushing 3Ts are hard to find, right?

That means there aren't that many of them out there. So why does RG suddenly become a position that requires a first round pick? 

There are what, 3 or maybe 4 first round picks playing RG in the entire League. Martin, DeCastro, I'm sure there are a few more.

But the vast majority of teams are doing just fine with mid round or even undrafted guys.

And this draft is deep at quality interior linemen...Isn't the better value in the Second? 

Another question. Do you really believe the Vikings thought Remmers was the better RT by the end of the season? 

If they did I'm suddenly scared to death of this coaching staff. Why on God's green and verdant Earrh do you take your starter at the second most important position on your Offensive Line and move him to LG for the first time all year....going into the Playoffs of all times? 

You don't. And neither did coaches. They moved a guy who had already been beaten out by his backup. The same backup that struggled mightily in the Playoffs.

That's why they want to move Mike to RG. He's already been passed by Hill. Who isn't good enough.

There are 4 in-house options to replace Berger. And the sweet spot for interior Linemen is in the 2nd/3rd. Which should yield a fifth option and some really strong competition for both Guard spots in case Easton isn't fully healthy for whatever reason or simply gets beat out of his spot in TC.

Meanwhile, either Remmers somehow improves at nearly 30 years old or Hill's only real competition will be Collins, whom I like but is still pretty raw.

Right Tackle is a question mark. Period. And it's a more important position. If I'm Rick I don't want to enter the year after so many positive things have happened this offseason with a question mark at such an important position.

I'd move up and get McGlinchey. Forget the recent downplaying of his talent. GMs are spreading smoke everywhere right now and the media eats it.like crack.

Ryan Ramczyk had a far smaller resume than Mike has and went 32 to the Saints. He goes on to Start all 16 games. In a redraft he'd certainly go higher.

McGlinchey is a better player. No,.he's not a Franchise LT. He's a League Average LT. But at RT he's better than average out of the gate with Top 10 potential.

Any comparison to Kalil is crap. Mike has a motor. He finishes plays. He plays through the whistle. And he won't be picked in the Top 5 to be a Franchise LT. 

If McGlinchey makes it past Cincinnati (doubtful) I would seriously consider trading up.

But I expect the price to move in front of the Bungles will be too high for Rick. He still needs a CB, rotational DE, Jet replacement and probably another TE. Not all of them have to come from the Draft, but Rick will want the flexibility of having multiple picks. So I don't see him moving up far enough to get Mike.

If Wynn or Hernandez is on the Board then you take him. Won't solve RT, but RG is locked down long-term with really nice depth. I think they will both be gone and Rick won't find a trading partner for a change.

So I'm guessing Defense or TE with the first pick. But if a RT starta to slide far enough Trader Rick just might surprise us. 


Wouldn't surprise me one bit if McGlinchey fall right past 30 into the 2nd round.

I agree that we should move Remmers. He's just not a RT. It's amazing he's lasted this long there. Guy has 31 inch arms.

You want a tackle, you'd be better off with Wynn than any of the others IMO. He's a prototype at guard, but I wouldn't count him out at tackle. 

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#28 · Apr 24, 7:48 AM
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@"Jor-El" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"FSUVike" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"FSUVike" said: I have a question. Signing Richardson was huge because pass rushing 3Ts are hard to find, right?

That means there aren't that many of them out there. So why does RG suddenly become a position that requires a first round pick? 

There are what, 3 or maybe 4 first round picks playing RG in the entire League. Martin, DeCastro, I'm sure there are a few more.

But the vast majority of teams are doing just fine with mid round or even undrafted guys.

And this draft is deep at quality interior linemen...Isn't the better value in the Second? 

Another question. Do you really believe the Vikings thought Remmers was the better RT by the end of the season? 

If they did I'm suddenly scared to death of this coaching staff. Why on God's green and verdant Earrh do you take your starter at the second most important position on your Offensive Line and move him to LG for the first time all year....going into the Playoffs of all times? 

You don't. And neither did coaches. They moved a guy who had already been beaten out by his backup. The same backup that struggled mightily in the Playoffs.

That's why they want to move Mike to RG. He's already been passed by Hill. Who isn't good enough.

There are 4 in-house options to replace Berger. And the sweet spot for interior Linemen is in the 2nd/3rd. Which should yield a fifth option and some really strong competition for both Guard spots in case Easton isn't fully healthy for whatever reason or simply gets beat out of his spot in TC.

Meanwhile, either Remmers somehow improves at nearly 30 years old or Hill's only real competition will be Collins, whom I like but is still pretty raw.

Right Tackle is a question mark. Period. And it's a more important position. If I'm Rick I don't want to enter the year after so many positive things have happened this offseason with a question mark at such an important position.

I'd move up and get McGlinchey. Forget the recent downplaying of his talent. GMs are spreading smoke everywhere right now and the media eats it.like crack.

Ryan Ramczyk had a far smaller resume than Mike has and went 32 to the Saints. He goes on to Start all 16 games. In a redraft he'd certainly go higher.

McGlinchey is a better player. No,.he's not a Franchise LT. He's a League Average LT. But at RT he's better than average out of the gate with Top 10 potential.

Any comparison to Kalil is crap. Mike has a motor. He finishes plays. He plays through the whistle. And he won't be picked in the Top 5 to be a Franchise LT. 

If McGlinchey makes it past Cincinnati (doubtful) I would seriously consider trading up.

But I expect the price to move in front of the Bungles will be too high for Rick. He still needs a CB, rotational DE, Jet replacement and probably another TE. Not all of them have to come from the Draft, but Rick will want the flexibility of having multiple picks. So I don't see him moving up far enough to get Mike.

If Wynn or Hernandez is on the Board then you take him. Won't solve RT, but RG is locked down long-term with really nice depth. I think they will both be gone and Rick won't find a trading partner for a change.

So I'm guessing Defense or TE with the first pick. But if a RT starta to slide far enough Trader Rick just might surprise us. 


Wouldn't surprise me one bit if McGlinchey fall right past 30 into the 2nd round.

I agree that we should move Remmers. He's just not a RT. It's amazing he's lasted this long there. Guy has 31 inch arms.

You want a tackle, you'd be better off with Wynn than any of the others IMO. He's a prototype at guard, but I wouldn't count him out at tackle. 



Fair point. I'm a big believer in synergy. And, yes, McGlinchey will be better on the right. I think I read where even his coaches at Notre Dame acknowledged that he was more of a right tackle. I just haven't watched any of his RT games. And it's hard to get all the images of him getting beaten around the edge out of my head. 

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#29 · Apr 24, 8:03 AM
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McGlinchey is hard to get excited about, but I'd consider him a red chip RT, just like Remmers.

Miller looks like a fawn on ice too often.  Coaches like his potential, but he's not mastered his own limbs much less the tackle position.

Wynn is the only ready-to-play-now tackle I see, although Conner Williams at G might work first year as a guy who can slide outside.

I also think the top OTs are gonna get snapped up between 20-30 like sardines at Sea World.

The Son of 'Zeus' will be there at #30 along with Justin Reid and prolly Goedert. 

I like some interior guys enough on OL to look there, too.  Price is NFL ready if healthy.

Reid would be a really nice pick.  I've been drooling for a top-flight FS for years, and this guy runs 4.4 and can play ALL the positions.

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An anonymous scout told Bob McGinn Football that he believes UCLA T Kolton Miller is the best tackle prospect from the school since Jonathan Ogden. . "He’s the best tackle I’ve seen at UCLA since the guy (Ogden) that went to the Ravens a long time ago," said the scout. "He’s a tall guy who can play with leverage. His workout wasn’t good; it was excellent. Look at his hand size (a tackle-leading 10 ¾) and arm length (34 1/8). For 6-8 he can really bend his knees. Most tall people are tight in the hips and don’t bend well. Not the most powerful guy in the world." Miller is one of the most volatile prospects at the position in the class -- in part because of the concerns about his power and some about his toughness -- but it's looking more and more likely he goes in the first 32 picks.
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New England will take him because they have a legendary O-Line coach. If he goes somewhere else Miller could easily be a bust.

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The Houston Chronicle reports the Ravens will "focus" on UCLA OT Kolton Miller if Notre Dame OT Mike McGlinchey is off the board. The report comes via current Texans but longtime Ravens beat writer Aaron Wilson. The Ravens have been popularly mocked Louisville QB Lamar Jackson but indeed need help at tackle. They are currently without a right tackle after Austin Howard was allowed to walk in free agency. 2016 first-rounder Ronnie Stanley has yet to take off at left tackle.
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