Spielman Haters aren't gonna like

Let's leave the bait for the fishermen....and the name calling for the other boards please.

I like Rick overall. Some flaws for sure.   Since getting official title - playoffs 3 of 5 years and North title 2 of last 3 years.  On the upswing.  

@"twgerber" said: I like Rick overall. Some flaws for sure.   Since getting official title - playoffs 3 of 5 years and North title 2 of last 3 years.  On the upswing.  

 agree with your post. I like the trajectory, but it's time to get back to the big game and win it too. 

The past is what it is...and RS still needs to hit on QB. It's a big still to do - YUGE to borrow from you know who. 

Lets face it, if KC's is (god-forbid) a train wreck, it's not hard for me to believe RS is outta here. That was a chips all in move by a GM.

And as much as the guy with a handle from the Northeast is a bit of a zealot on the topic, in some ways I am quite aligned with him. No SB's or even SB appearances for way too long. 

I'm in my 50's...still waiting

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"twgerber" said: I like Rick overall. Some flaws for sure.   Since getting official title - playoffs 3 of 5 years and North title 2 of last 3 years.  On the upswing.  

 agree with your post. I like the trajectory, but it's time to get back to the big game and win it too. 

The past is what it is...and RS still needs to hit on QB. It's a big still to do - YUGE to borrow from you know who. 

Lets face it, if KC's is (god-forbid) a train wreck, it's not hard for me to believe RS is outta here. That was a chips all in move by a GM.

And as much as the guy with a handle from the Northeast is a bit of a zealot on the topic, in some ways I am quite aligned with him. No SB's or even SB appearances for way too long. 

I'm in my 50's...still waiting

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"twgerber" said: I like Rick overall. Some flaws for sure.   Since getting official title - playoffs 3 of 5 years and North title 2 of last 3 years.  On the upswing.  

 agree with your post. I like the trajectory, but it's time to get back to the big game and win it too. 

The past is what it is...and RS still needs to hit on QB. It's a big still to do - YUGE to borrow from you know who. 

Lets face it, if KC's is (god-forbid) a train wreck, it's not hard for me to believe RS is outta here. That was a chips all in move by a GM.

And as much as the guy with a handle from the Northeast is a bit of a zealot on the topic, in some ways I am quite aligned with him. No SB's or even SB appearances for way too long. 

I'm in my 50's...still waiting

lets face it though,  a SB is a crap shoot,  sure there is the pats and brady,  but for the rest of the league it really comes down to a few bounces,  and a whole lot of luck along the way with injuries and such.   yeah i want the trophy as much as anybody else,  but to hang a guy for not being able to get that done is pretty high standards.   about all any GM can do is assemble the team based on what the coaches tell him within the restrictions of the salary cap.  after that its up to the coaches and players.

I’m too busy admiring all the Super Bowl Trophies Rick has brought this team to reply....   Ok I’ll just post this. 

Rick is smiley glad hand who apparently gets credit for taking this team to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years and 2 North Championships but yet no blame for not reaching the Super Bowl because he doesn’t play.    

Zimmer will either get us that Trophy or his replacement will with Zim’s guys, much like Chucky did in Tampa with Dungy’s team.  OR I’ll die having never seen my team in a Super Bowl again after thinking it was just “a normal thing” in the 70s.  

@"pumpf" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"twgerber" said: I like Rick overall. Some flaws for sure.   Since getting official title - playoffs 3 of 5 years and North title 2 of last 3 years.  On the upswing.  

 agree with your post. I like the trajectory, but it's time to get back to the big game and win it too. 

The past is what it is...and RS still needs to hit on QB. It's a big still to do - YUGE to borrow from you know who. 

Lets face it, if KC's is (god-forbid) a train wreck, it's not hard for me to believe RS is outta here. That was a chips all in move by a GM.

And as much as the guy with a handle from the Northeast is a bit of a zealot on the topic, in some ways I am quite aligned with him. No SB's or even SB appearances for way too long. 

I'm in my 50's...still waiting

lets face it though,  a SB is a crap shoot,  sure there is the pats and brady,  but for the rest of the league it really comes down to a few bounces,  and a whole lot of luck along the way with injuries and such.   yeah i want the trophy as much as anybody else,  but to hang a guy for not being able to get that done is pretty high standards.   about all any GM can do is assemble the team based on what the coaches tell him within the restrictions of the salary cap.  after that its up to the coaches and players.

That is a totally radical take!  The GM doesn't play or coach?  All he can do is assemble the best team possible?  That's borderline crazy!  
 B) 

@"Bezerker88" said: I’m too busy admiring all the Super Bowl Trophies Rick has brought this team to reply....   Ok I’ll just post this. 

Rick is smiley glad hand who apparently gets credit for taking this team to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years and 2 North Championships but yet no blame for not reaching the Super Bowl because he doesn’t play.    

Zimmer will either get us that Trophy or his replacement will with Zim’s guys, much like Chucky did in Tampa with Dungy’s team.  OR I’ll die having never seen my team in a Super Bowl again after thinking it was just “a normal thing” in the 70s.  

All you "old" guys need to quit complaining...  at least you've actually seen the Vikings PLAY in a Super Bowl.  I've witnessed 5 NFCCG game losses...  at this point, I'd just take a Super Bowl appearance and cross my fingers they finally win it.  :-D

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Bezerker88" said: I’m too busy admiring all the Super Bowl Trophies Rick has brought this team to reply....   Ok I’ll just post this. 

Rick is smiley glad hand who apparently gets credit for taking this team to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years and 2 North Championships but yet no blame for not reaching the Super Bowl because he doesn’t play.    

Zimmer will either get us that Trophy or his replacement will with Zim’s guys, much like Chucky did in Tampa with Dungy’s team.  OR I’ll die having never seen my team in a Super Bowl again after thinking it was just “a normal thing” in the 70s.  

All you "old" guys need to quit complaining...  at least you've actually seen the Vikings PLAY in a Super Bowl.  I've witnessed 5 NFCCG game losses...  at this point, I'd just take a Super Bowl appearance and cross my fingers they finally win it.  :-D

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Bezerker88" said: I’m too busy admiring all the Super Bowl Trophies Rick has brought this team to reply....   Ok I’ll just post this. 

Rick is smiley glad hand who apparently gets credit for taking this team to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years and 2 North Championships but yet no blame for not reaching the Super Bowl because he doesn’t play.    

Zimmer will either get us that Trophy or his replacement will with Zim’s guys, much like Chucky did in Tampa with Dungy’s team.  OR I’ll die having never seen my team in a Super Bowl again after thinking it was just “a normal thing” in the 70s.  

All you "old" guys need to quit complaining...  at least you've actually seen the Vikings PLAY in a Super Bowl.  I've witnessed 5 NFCCG game losses...  at this point, I'd just take a Super Bowl appearance and cross my fingers they finally win it.  :-D

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Bezerker88" said: I’m too busy admiring all the Super Bowl Trophies Rick has brought this team to reply....   Ok I’ll just post this. 

Rick is smiley glad hand who apparently gets credit for taking this team to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years and 2 North Championships but yet no blame for not reaching the Super Bowl because he doesn’t play.    

Zimmer will either get us that Trophy or his replacement will with Zim’s guys, much like Chucky did in Tampa with Dungy’s team.  OR I’ll die having never seen my team in a Super Bowl again after thinking it was just “a normal thing” in the 70s.  

All you "old" guys need to quit complaining...  at least you've actually seen the Vikings PLAY in a Super Bowl.  I've witnessed 5 NFCCG game losses...  at this point, I'd just take a Super Bowl appearance and cross my fingers they finally win it.  :-D

Who you calling old, punk? :-) Yeah, I didn't even realize that until it was mentioned after the Eagles game. 5 straight NFCC losses. In many ways, that's more brutal on the soul than the Super Bowl losses. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Bezerker88" said: I’m too busy admiring all the Super Bowl Trophies Rick has brought this team to reply....   Ok I’ll just post this. 

Rick is smiley glad hand who apparently gets credit for taking this team to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years and 2 North Championships but yet no blame for not reaching the Super Bowl because he doesn’t play.    

Zimmer will either get us that Trophy or his replacement will with Zim’s guys, much like Chucky did in Tampa with Dungy’s team.  OR I’ll die having never seen my team in a Super Bowl again after thinking it was just “a normal thing” in the 70s.  

All you "old" guys need to quit complaining...  at least you've actually seen the Vikings PLAY in a Super Bowl.  I've witnessed 5 NFCCG game losses...  at this point, I'd just take a Super Bowl appearance and cross my fingers they finally win it.  :-D

Who you calling old, punk? :-) Yeah, I didn't even realize that until it was mentioned after the Eagles game. 5 straight NFCC losses. In many ways, that's more brutal on the soul than the Super Bowl losses. 

well... 5 is a bigger number than 4,  but no,  IMO the 0-4 record in the superbowl is still the kick in the nads,  not as bad since its been matched,  but none the less, I hope like hell we dont set a new low bar of 0-5.  when we get there we have to win.

@"Bezerker88" said: I’m too busy admiring all the Super Bowl Trophies Rick has brought this team to reply....   Ok I’ll just post this. 

Rick is smiley glad hand who apparently gets credit for taking this team to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years and 2 North Championships but yet no blame for not reaching the Super Bowl because he doesn’t play.    

Zimmer will either get us that Trophy or his replacement will with Zim’s guys, much like Chucky did in Tampa with Dungy’s team.  OR I’ll die having never seen my team in a Super Bowl again after thinking it was just “a normal thing” in the 70s.  

I give him credit for stocking our roster with good players: nothing more, nothing less.  Anyone who wants to directly attribute wins & losses to him is welcome to, I guess.  But I think it's a bit silly.  Now, if the reason for winning is that you have alot of good players, he gets some credit for that.  (Coaching also has a way of making players into "good" players)  And, if the team is losing because they don't have very many good players, he gets some blame for that. (Again, coaching plays a part in that as well)

So... if someone wants to say that Rick has sucked at his job... in my mind, what they're saying is: "We don't have very many good players."  And I will whole-heartedly disagree with that.  Our defense is stocked at (almost) every position with well-above average players.  And our offense just added a franchise QB + we have one of the best WR combos in the league + we have the RB who was the leading rusher in the league when he went down.  The OL has been our weakness for years... and that is (hopefully) being addressed. 

So, the only logical conclusion I can come up with is this: if anyone says that Rick hasn't done a good job... well, I guess I would have a word for them (that I won't use, out of respect for the people who want this place to stay "nice"- certainly not out of respect for the poster who think Rick sucks, because that guy doesn't deserve any respect).

@"pumpf" said:

@"Bezerker88" said: I’m too busy admiring all the Super Bowl Trophies Rick has brought this team to reply....   Ok I’ll just post this. 

Rick is smiley glad hand who apparently gets credit for taking this team to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years and 2 North Championships but yet no blame for not reaching the Super Bowl because he doesn’t play.    

Zimmer will either get us that Trophy or his replacement will with Zim’s guys, much like Chucky did in Tampa with Dungy’s team.  OR I’ll die having never seen my team in a Super Bowl again after thinking it was just “a normal thing” in the 70s.  

I give him credit for stocking our roster with good players: nothing more, nothing less.  Anyone who wants to directly attribute wins & losses to him is welcome to, I guess.  But I think it's a bit silly.  Now, if the reason for winning is that you have alot of good players, he gets some credit for that.  (Coaching also has a way of making players into "good" players)  And, if the team is losing because they don't have very many good players, he gets some blame for that. (Again, coaching plays a part in that as well)

So... if someone wants to say that Rick has sucked at his job... in my mind, what they're saying is: "We don't have very many good players."  And I will whole-heartedly disagree with that.  Our defense is stocked at (almost) every position with well-above average players.  And our offense just added a franchise QB + we have one of the best WR combos in the league + we have the RB who was the leading rusher in the league when he went down.  The OL has been our weakness for years... and that is (hopefully) being addressed. 

So, the only logical conclusion I can come up with is this: if anyone says that Rick hasn't done a good job... well, I guess I would have a word for them (that I won't use, out of respect for the people who want this place to stay "nice"- certainly not out of respect for the poster who think Rick sucks, because that guy doesn't deserve any respect).

While I can’t speak for all the old guys, I will say that having witnessed the carnage four times it might have been easier to be a Lions fan. 

@"pumpf" said:

@"Bezerker88" said: I’m too busy admiring all the Super Bowl Trophies Rick has brought this team to reply....   Ok I’ll just post this. 

Rick is smiley glad hand who apparently gets credit for taking this team to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years and 2 North Championships but yet no blame for not reaching the Super Bowl because he doesn’t play.    

Zimmer will either get us that Trophy or his replacement will with Zim’s guys, much like Chucky did in Tampa with Dungy’s team.  OR I’ll die having never seen my team in a Super Bowl again after thinking it was just “a normal thing” in the 70s.  

I give him credit for stocking our roster with good players: nothing more, nothing less.  Anyone who wants to directly attribute wins & losses to him is welcome to, I guess.  But I think it's a bit silly.  Now, if the reason for winning is that you have alot of good players, he gets some credit for that.  (Coaching also has a way of making players into "good" players)  And, if the team is losing because they don't have very many good players, he gets some blame for that. (Again, coaching plays a part in that as well)

So... if someone wants to say that Rick has sucked at his job... in my mind, what they're saying is: "We don't have very many good players."  And I will whole-heartedly disagree with that.  Our defense is stocked at (almost) every position with well-above average players.  And our offense just added a franchise QB + we have one of the best WR combos in the league + we have the RB who was the leading rusher in the league when he went down.  The OL has been our weakness for years... and that is (hopefully) being addressed. 

So, the only logical conclusion I can come up with is this: if anyone says that Rick hasn't done a good job... well, I guess I would have a word for them (that I won't use, out of respect for the people who want this place to stay "nice"- certainly not out of respect for the poster who think Rick sucks, because that guy doesn't deserve any respect).

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"njvike" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Wow, and here I thought you were just stupid. Turns out you're just woefully uninformed. 

Whoa, you are apparently both ignorant AND stupid.

Please enlighten us as to WHO the Head Coach of the Denver Broncos was in 2017, and who will be the HC of that team in 2018? 

Kubiak obvoiusly had NOTHING to do with their QB decisions in 2017, nor for THIS season. 

LOL, Google it Dipshit. 

I removed NJ from this thread,  (or at least I think I did....first time trying)  Please dont try and pile on or make baiting comments in this line.  what was it that Ma used to say... if you cant say it nicely---shut the fuck up!

this time of year always gets contentious and its easy to fire off with venom,  please remember that we are all trying to be adults here and that we need to treat each other with civility regardless of whether we agree or not.

Easy way to keep a board civil is to ban the trolls. There's a pretty obvious troll here.

Well son of a Bitch..

Had a long fact filled rely just vanish into nothingness...  It would have changed everyones mind too....   Dammit.   =)

Not worth wasting my time to gather all the facts agian.  I’ll just summerize with this.  Last year, Rick was ranked 28th on some of these lists.  It’s amazing what a 13-3 season with a back up QB can do for one’s reputation.  And then Rick threw that QB away.