NFLDG Mock Draft 2.0
A little under two weeks from the NFL draft, here is the latest iteration of my mock draft. Enjoy!
1 (30) - Dallas Goedert (TE SDSU): When you're picking 30th in the NFL draft you can only get a vague picture into what will be available until the draft begins. With a chance for a run on O-lineman in the early 20's the Vikings may be best off taking the best player on their board at a position of need. You could pound the table for a pass rusher, corner, or receiving threat. In this instance the Vikings stay local and give Kirk Cousins another threat down the field in Dallas Goedert. Although the draft process hasn't been the hit Goedert had hoped for, you can't teach his combination of size, speed, and ball skills. Goedert is an above the rim player that simply is a mismatch against most corners due to his size and most linebackers due to his speed. That should immediate translate to the NFL game. The Vikings have looked for a true "move TE" for year and John DeFilippo loves to have TE's who can make plays down the field and after the catch. Although drafting a TE this early may be a knock on Kyle Rudolph, it isn't. The both should be able to compliment each other with Rudolph remaining more of an in-line TE between the 20's and receiving threat in the redzone. Goedert makes the Vikings incredibly hard to match up against.
2 (62) - TRADE 2(62) for 3(71) & 4(113)
3 (71) via DEN - Austin Corbett (OT/OG Nevada): Instead of moving out of the back end of the first round, Spielman is able to trade down roughly 10 spots into the top of the third to pickup a fourth round pick. This is where the team really can find some value along the interior O-line. Ragnow and Corbett are the two names that really come to mind. In this mock I have the Vikings leaning towards Corbett due to his versatility at tackle and guard. Although he is likely a right guard in the NFL it would still give them the flexibility to see how Remmers performs at guard. Corbett is one of the more technically sound players in this draft class and is an all-around talent. What I mean, is that he has a nice combination of technique and athleticism to be successful from day one in the league as he continues to develop. His wrestling background helps with leverage and is a trait the Vikings have valued highly in their O-lineman. Although it's the third round Corbett is a strong bet to be a year one starter, similar to Elflein a year ago.
3 (94) - Duke Dawson (CB Florida): Find solid cornerback depth is probably more important than finding a day one starter, but don't be surprised if the team addresses the position at the end of the first round on draft day. In this scenario Duke Dawson ends up being the best available corner in the 2nd tier of cornerbacks. Although he won't blow you away with measurable's or athleticism, Dawson has above average instincts and has a very crafty way of getting to the spot before the receiver. This leads him to undercut numerous routes without a major risk taker in coverage. Although his size likely prevents him from rotating regularly on the outside he should be able to compete for time in the slot immediately. If he wins that competition Alexander does have the skills to rotate between all 3 CB positions.
4 (113) via DEN - Dorance Armstrong (DE Kansas): A year ago at this time many would have considered Armstrong a surefire top 100 pick. A significant drop in on-field production during 2017 created some doubters. Armstrong is what the Vikings look for in pass rushers having great length and athleticism. He just hasn't put it all together yet. Some will knock him for his weight but he is a speed rusher at his core and the Vikings haven't held weight against prospects in recent years. The Vikings 2018 pass rushing rotation will still primarily consist of Everson, Danielle, and B-Rob, but Armstrong has the chance to be a situational pass rushing threat from day one.
5 (167) - Desmond Harrison (OT West Georgia): As the Vikings have constructed a deeper roster they've seemingly taken more risks on questionable prospects. Harrison definitely falls into that category. As a player, Harrison has been touted as the next big OT since his junior year of high school. His athleticism creates a number of wow plays on tape other players just can't make. But his inconsistencies in pass protection and character concerns will drop him down the board significantly on draft weekend. He isn't a fit with multiple teams due to his finesse stature vs. being your typical bulky lineman. Minnesota probably wouldn't expect much production in year one but he is a very high ceiling developmental prospect who could be kept on the right track in a strong locker room.
6 (204) - Kendrick Norton (DT Miami): The signing of Sheldon Richardson and the Vikings long-term intentions will be the biggest factor in how early they prioritize the interior defensive line. Although he didn't play a ton in 2017 they still think very highly of Jaleel Johnson and view him as an important rotational piece going into 2018. Although Johnson can lineup as either the UT or NT he would be best served remaining a pass rusher. His heavy hands and ability to get in the backfield while also being a plus player against the run is too valuable. That leads the Vikings to Kendrick Norton. At the combine Norton tested better than many thought, but his upside is limited. He is a run stuffing nose tackle who will make the plays given to him in the backfield. There is a strong chance he could immediately replace Shamar Stephen and give some Vikings stability behind Richardson/Joseph.
6 (213) - Akrum Wadley (RB Iowa): Once he proves he's healthy, Dalvin Cook is going to dominate the touches in the backfield. You didn't have him very much last season to see how special he can be. Latavius Murray taking a pay cut to remain on the roster for 2018 was also huge. He proved to be a major asset in goal line and short yardage situations a year ago. Wadley bring a bit of a different skill-set to the backfield as a shifty change of pace back and receiving threat. In today's passing league, pass catching backs are overvalued and the only reason Wadley is available this late is his inability to protect the QB on 3rd downs. This will cut into some of his workload immediately but should be correctable over time. The Vikings won't need Wadley much but after this season he could be Chris Thompson lite for Kirk Cousins.
6 (218) - Quentin Poling (LB Ohio): In recent years the Vikings have prioritized ST's depth in the latter rounds. Poling isn't the most complete LB prospect but has the ability to eventually develop into a WLB over time. His ticket to the NFL will be making the team as a ST's contributor and he would have a good chance to do that on the Vikings roster.
7 (225) - Jeff Badet (WR Oklahoma): Although there is a good chance Badet will be a priority free agent for most teams his value as a kick returner makes him draftable in the Vikings eyes. Although he is listed at WR he is more of a gadget player who simply makes things happen with the ball in his hands. John DeFilippo had Taylor Gabriel in Cleveland and had success manufacturing touches for Nelson Agholor a year ago. For a 7th round pick, Badet would have a role in the Vikings offense which gives him a decent shot to make the 53 man roster.
I like the Goedert pick. DeFilippo utilizes a lot of multiple TE sets and we really don't have anyone who could fill the move TE role. Plus, while Rudolph has been better recently, he tends to get banged up every year and we haven't had someone who could really step up when he slows down or misses a game or two. A very intriguing pick that would give our offense yet another wrinkle that defenses need to prepare for along with a QB who can actually spread the ball.
OL is still my first choice for the 1st round, but Goedert would be at the top of my list of skill players at the end of the round 1. I understand the rationale about taking yet another corner, but I wouldn't be enthused about it.
The rest of the picks all seem solid and I like that you managed to hit all of the primary areas of need. My only complaint would be not taking an OT sooner, but it's difficult to get the draft to match with your needs and at least there is some more competition. I still worry about the OL being a weakspot, especially now that we've lost Keenum's mobility, which was hiding a lot of issues as the injuries piled up.
I read an article about Cousin’s doing a lot of double TE sets with the Skins and liking them. Like you I think O line is the need but if its a skill player, I am intrigued with the possibilities this guy brings. TE/Slot/outside.
Double tight end with Rudolph and Morgan with Geodert in the slot? Crazy stuff
Don 't think Wadley will be there that late... even at his small size, a 2-time 1,000 yd rusher who can catch is going to go higher. I'd be happy if we got him at 167.
@"Poiple" said:Nothing against DG. I think he is a good player. So is Gesicki, Andrews, Hurst, Fumagali, and Ian Thomas. Quite a few good TEs in this draft. DG looks good but TE is not a big need, at least not like CB and OL. I don’t think I would take one before the 3rd round.@"dadevike" said: I would be stunned and pretty disappointed if Goedert was our pick in round 1. I would rather trade down for more picks or up for a better pick. Because we dont need another pass catcher and red zone threat or because we TE isnt a need or because you dont like Geodert in general?
@"dadevike" said:Its going to be very interesting to see how the regime decides to fill out the roster. Hopefully after the draft they are able to pick up a few more quality guys.@"Poiple" said:Nothing against DG. I think he is a good player. So is Gesicki, Andrews, Hurst, Fumagali, and Ian Thomas. Quite a few good TEs in this draft. DG looks good but TE is not a big need, at least not like CB and OL. I don’t think I would take one before the 3rd round.@"dadevike" said: I would be stunned and pretty disappointed if Goedert was our pick in round 1. I would rather trade down for more picks or up for a better pick. Because we dont need another pass catcher and red zone threat or because we TE isnt a need or because you dont like Geodert in general?
@"RS Express" said: Don 't think Wadley will be there that late... even at his small size, a 2-time 1,000 yd rusher who can catch is going to go higher. I'd be happy if we got him at 167.We'll see. He will go off the board somewhere in the 5th/6th. His draft stock is somewhat tied to the board last year where good runners dropped to the later rounds due to the depth at the position. In another strong class and less teams in need of RB's compared to last year, RB's after the 3rd may fall about 1/2 round.
@"dadevike" said:I would argue that if they don't take a TE in the first three rounds they'd be best off passing on the position until the 6th/7th. There are some athletic guys that are incredibly raw that they could stash and develop. The Vikings specifically want a receiving TE and the list you put together above outside of Andrews/Fumagali will be gone by the end of the 2nd round.@"Poiple" said:Nothing against DG. I think he is a good player. So is Gesicki, Andrews, Hurst, Fumagali, and Ian Thomas. Quite a few good TEs in this draft. DG looks good but TE is not a big need, at least not like CB and OL. I don’t think I would take one before the 3rd round.@"dadevike" said: I would be stunned and pretty disappointed if Goedert was our pick in round 1. I would rather trade down for more picks or up for a better pick. Because we dont need another pass catcher and red zone threat or because we TE isnt a need or because you dont like Geodert in general?
Maybe Goedert is faster now that his hamstring is better? I just saw a basketball player doing TE stuff. That could work. I saw more mismatch potential in Hurst and Gesicki because of their speed and explosiveness. Those guys are really good in their own right. DG has some specialness, but several other guys were so much faster on tape I maybe overlooked him.
I wonder... does Goedert or DJ Moore offer more to the offense in Year One?
I wonder if The Team asked themselves that question and then went out and signed Wright and King? (Advantage Goedert)
I had cautiously-high hopes for Bucky Hodges, even though I saw the flaws. He didn't need to be great, he just needed to be a huge target with some wheels, I rationalized.
I always think that move TE guy can be found late, but it aint happening. DG has nice awareness and body control. I didn't see much route running or blocking, but it probably wasn't emphasized.
I like Dawson at nickle and dime. I also like taking a chance on Desmond Harrison late.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:Geoff, do you have DG as the no. 1 TE? I’m not saying that’s wrong, but I’m also not sure I would agree. But assuming you do, presumably you have him as the first TE coming off the board, and you have him at 30. So if we passed on TE in the first, I doubt NE or Philly would take one. Then no TEs would go in round 1. And that would not surprise me at all.@"dadevike" said:I would argue that if they don't take a TE in the first three rounds they'd be best off passing on the position until the 6th/7th. There are some athletic guys that are incredibly raw that they could stash and develop. The Vikings specifically want a receiving TE and the list you put together above outside of Andrews/Fumagali will be gone by the end of the 2nd round.@"Poiple" said:Nothing against DG. I think he is a good player. So is Gesicki, Andrews, Hurst, Fumagali, and Ian Thomas. Quite a few good TEs in this draft. DG looks good but TE is not a big need, at least not like CB and OL. I don’t think I would take one before the 3rd round.@"dadevike" said: I would be stunned and pretty disappointed if Goedert was our pick in round 1. I would rather trade down for more picks or up for a better pick. Because we dont need another pass catcher and red zone threat or because we TE isnt a need or because you dont like Geodert in general?I agree that 3 TEs may go in the second round, maybe even before we pick. I would be very surprised if 4 were taken by the end of the second. I would not be surprised if only 2 were taken. Third round may be the sweet spot for us to take a TE.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Thanks for putting this together. Just this morning I was thinking that if we want to recoup that 4th, we might be better off trading back our 2nd rather than our 1st, which is what you did here. But I would do it only if Wynn, Hernandez or McGlinchey were the pick at 30. I like Goeddert, especially his hands, but if we're going to spend a 1st rounder on a TE, I want a Jordan Reed type. I'm not sure Goeddert is that guy. Plus, what impact will he have with Rudolph and Morgan ahead of him. So few rookie TEs make a difference early on. I know we need to think about post-Rudy, but I want immediate impact. A starter.I love the 3rd rounders. Dawson appears to be a corner ideally suited for the slot. And I much prefer taking our 4th corner in the 3rd rather than in the 1st as some are advocating. Love Corbett's flexibility to play pretty much anywhere. But I've been seeing things about Corbett that suggest there's little chance he'll still be there in the 3rd.
The rest I don't know much about yet...just haven't had as much time to "draftnik" as I usually do. I've studied only OL and RB so far...a few of the QBs. I will say that I don't like Wadley very much. He's very small and not that fast either. My favorite backs for us are Nyheim Hines whom you'll have to take no later than the 4th. And Rashaad Penny, who won't get past the 3rd.
Goedert would immediately be the #2 TE and would be pushing Rudy pretty quickly. The kid is for real, if he had come from a bigger HS in a different part of the country he would have been playing for a much bigger college and he wouldnt even be questioned as to being worthy of #30. Lots of room for improvement as I doubt he got half the position coaching at SDSU as what kids in much bigger programs receive. I could be wrong, but I think he is going to be one of those guys that is a Witten type. Not overly flashy, but puts up great numbers for a lot of years.
I think that Goedert & Rudy are unique enough that they wouldn't necessarily be fighting for the same job. But I agree that there is probably some hidden upsides with DG since he hasn't had the same facilities, trainers, etc... as his power conference peers. Of course you're assuming he'd use all of the resources he'd be given, but most coaches/scouts like how hard of a worker he it.
I got off the Goedert bandwagon a couple weeks ago based on a couple things. He did not run that fast at the combine and when you watch his highlight tape he doesn't seem to get separation from LB/DB's (of course) at his level of competition. I also read where he would need to work on his blocking a lot (not as bad as Geisiki) and he had a fair amount of drops although they threw too him a ton. He was almost used like another WR. Remember Bucky Hodges last year. Now Goedert is a much better prospect but he still has too much work to do for me to draft him in the first round at 30 for us.I like you first draft mock 1.0 pick of Oliver (CB) much better.
Maybe you can enlighten me on Goedert because I was very interested in him until the speed/separation/competition/blocking
@"Geoff Nichols" said:Including Ian Thomas? I have been hoping he would last until round 3 given his limited production at Indiana...@"dadevike" said:I would argue that if they don't take a TE in the first three rounds they'd be best off passing on the position until the 6th/7th. There are some athletic guys that are incredibly raw that they could stash and develop. The Vikings specifically want a receiving TE and the list you put together above outside of Andrews/Fumagali will be gone by the end of the 2nd round.@"Poiple" said:Nothing against DG. I think he is a good player. So is Gesicki, Andrews, Hurst, Fumagali, and Ian Thomas. Quite a few good TEs in this draft. DG looks good but TE is not a big need, at least not like CB and OL. I don’t think I would take one before the 3rd round.@"dadevike" said: I would be stunned and pretty disappointed if Goedert was our pick in round 1. I would rather trade down for more picks or up for a better pick. Because we dont need another pass catcher and red zone threat or because we TE isnt a need or because you dont like Geodert in general?
@"mgobluevikes" said: You are the king of deep dives. Austin Corbett doesn't even show up on CBS draft prospects lists. Not a fan of any Iowa RBs, let alone small slower ones. All in all I'd rather trade out of the 1st rd. slide back 5 or 6 and still get a day 1 starter for our O-line like Price, and still pick up a 4th rd. pick rather than lose our second rounder. Of course you need a dance partner.http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1006983&draftyear=2018&genpos=OG
I kinda like the idea of keeping the first with the 5th year option and trading back in the 2nd but I would much rather bring back a 3rd next year instead of a 4th this year.
@"minny65" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Thanks for putting this together. Just this morning I was thinking that if we want to recoup that 4th, we might be better off trading back our 2nd rather than our 1st, which is what you did here. But I would do it only if Wynn, Hernandez or McGlinchey were the pick at 30. I like Goeddert, especially his hands, but if we're going to spend a 1st rounder on a TE, I want a Jordan Reed type. I'm not sure Goeddert is that guy. Plus, what impact will he have with Rudolph and Morgan ahead of him. So few rookie TEs make a difference early on. I know we need to think about post-Rudy, but I want immediate impact. A starter.I love the 3rd rounders. Dawson appears to be a corner ideally suited for the slot. And I much prefer taking our 4th corner in the 3rd rather than in the 1st as some are advocating. Love Corbett's flexibility to play pretty much anywhere. But I've been seeing things about Corbett that suggest there's little chance he'll still be there in the 3rd.
The rest I don't know much about yet...just haven't had as much time to "draftnik" as I usually do. I've studied only OL and RB so far...a few of the QBs. I will say that I don't like Wadley very much. He's very small and not that fast either. My favorite backs for us are Nyheim Hines whom you'll have to take no later than the 4th. And Rashaad Penny, who won't get past the 3rd.
Goedert would immediately be the #2 TE and would be pushing Rudy pretty quickly. The kid is for real, if he had come from a bigger HS in a different part of the country he would have been playing for a much bigger college and he wouldnt even be questioned as to being worthy of #30. Lots of room for improvement as I doubt he got half the position coaching at SDSU as what kids in much bigger programs receive. I could be wrong, but I think he is going to be one of those guys that is a Witten type. Not overly flashy, but puts up great numbers for a lot of years.
I think that Goedert & Rudy are unique enough that they wouldn't necessarily be fighting for the same job. But I agree that there is probably some hidden upsides with DG since he hasn't had the same facilities, trainers, etc... as his power conference peers. Of course you're assuming he'd use all of the resources he'd be given, but most coaches/scouts like how hard of a worker he it.
I got off the Goedert bandwagon a couple weeks ago based on a couple things. He did not run that fast at the combine and when you watch his highlight tape he doesn't seem to get separation from LB/DB's (of course) at his level of competition. I also read where he would need to work on his blocking a lot (not as bad as Geisiki) and he had a fair amount of drops although they threw too him a ton. He was almost used like another WR. Remember Bucky Hodges last year. Now Goedert is a much better prospect but he still has too much work to do for me to draft him in the first round at 30 for us.I like you first draft mock 1.0 pick of Oliver (CB) much better.
Maybe you can enlighten me on Goedert because I was very interested in him until the speed/separation/competition/blocking
It's true that Goedert didn't run fast at the combine because he didn't run at all at the combine. He didn't run at his pro day either.
@"PurplePastor" said:@"minny65" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Thanks for putting this together. Just this morning I was thinking that if we want to recoup that 4th, we might be better off trading back our 2nd rather than our 1st, which is what you did here. But I would do it only if Wynn, Hernandez or McGlinchey were the pick at 30. I like Goeddert, especially his hands, but if we're going to spend a 1st rounder on a TE, I want a Jordan Reed type. I'm not sure Goeddert is that guy. Plus, what impact will he have with Rudolph and Morgan ahead of him. So few rookie TEs make a difference early on. I know we need to think about post-Rudy, but I want immediate impact. A starter.I love the 3rd rounders. Dawson appears to be a corner ideally suited for the slot. And I much prefer taking our 4th corner in the 3rd rather than in the 1st as some are advocating. Love Corbett's flexibility to play pretty much anywhere. But I've been seeing things about Corbett that suggest there's little chance he'll still be there in the 3rd.
The rest I don't know much about yet...just haven't had as much time to "draftnik" as I usually do. I've studied only OL and RB so far...a few of the QBs. I will say that I don't like Wadley very much. He's very small and not that fast either. My favorite backs for us are Nyheim Hines whom you'll have to take no later than the 4th. And Rashaad Penny, who won't get past the 3rd.
Goedert would immediately be the #2 TE and would be pushing Rudy pretty quickly. The kid is for real, if he had come from a bigger HS in a different part of the country he would have been playing for a much bigger college and he wouldnt even be questioned as to being worthy of #30. Lots of room for improvement as I doubt he got half the position coaching at SDSU as what kids in much bigger programs receive. I could be wrong, but I think he is going to be one of those guys that is a Witten type. Not overly flashy, but puts up great numbers for a lot of years.
I think that Goedert & Rudy are unique enough that they wouldn't necessarily be fighting for the same job. But I agree that there is probably some hidden upsides with DG since he hasn't had the same facilities, trainers, etc... as his power conference peers. Of course you're assuming he'd use all of the resources he'd be given, but most coaches/scouts like how hard of a worker he it.
I got off the Goedert bandwagon a couple weeks ago based on a couple things. He did not run that fast at the combine and when you watch his highlight tape he doesn't seem to get separation from LB/DB's (of course) at his level of competition. I also read where he would need to work on his blocking a lot (not as bad as Geisiki) and he had a fair amount of drops although they threw too him a ton. He was almost used like another WR. Remember Bucky Hodges last year. Now Goedert is a much better prospect but he still has too much work to do for me to draft him in the first round at 30 for us.I like you first draft mock 1.0 pick of Oliver (CB) much better.
Maybe you can enlighten me on Goedert because I was very interested in him until the speed/separation/competition/blocking
It's true that Goedert didn't run fast at the combine because he didn't run at all at the combine. He didn't run at his pro day either.
He must have been watching the other Dallas Goedert at the combine.
I read about Goedert's 40 time in another review and I think the source was below. Don't know what they mean by personal workout or for what team. Did not know that he didn't run the 40 at combine or Pro Day. Giesiki ran a 4.54 at the combine. I wonder why Goedert didn;t run at either opportunity?
Pig skin prospects:
Measurements (* Denotes Pro Day or Personal Workout Numbers):
| LISTED HEIGHT | LISTED WEIGHT | LISTED 40 TIME | COMBINE HEIGHT | COMBINE WEIGHT | ARM LENGTH | HAND SIZE |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6'4 | 250 | 4.76 | 6'4 | 256 | 34 | 10 |
@"minny65" said: I read about Goedert's 40 time in another review and I think the source was below. Don't know what they mean by personal workout or for what team. Did not know that he didn't run the 40 at combine or Pro Day. Giesiki ran a 4.54 at the combine. I wonder why Goedert didn;t run at either opportunity?Pig skin prospects: Measurements (* Denotes Pro Day or Personal Workout Numbers):
LISTED HEIGHT LISTED WEIGHT LISTED 40 TIME COMBINE HEIGHT COMBINE WEIGHT ARM LENGTH HAND SIZE 6'4 250 4.76 6'4 256 34 10
He injured his hamstring at the senior bowl, so he didn't run. It was a new injury so its not like he's had injury issues or anything at SDSU.
@"Jor-El" said:Yeah, including Thomas. He has a lot of fans in the NFL. Very moldable and raw.@"Geoff Nichols" said:Including Ian Thomas? I have been hoping he would last until round 3 given his limited production at Indiana...@"dadevike" said:I would argue that if they don't take a TE in the first three rounds they'd be best off passing on the position until the 6th/7th. There are some athletic guys that are incredibly raw that they could stash and develop. The Vikings specifically want a receiving TE and the list you put together above outside of Andrews/Fumagali will be gone by the end of the 2nd round.@"Poiple" said:Nothing against DG. I think he is a good player. So is Gesicki, Andrews, Hurst, Fumagali, and Ian Thomas. Quite a few good TEs in this draft. DG looks good but TE is not a big need, at least not like CB and OL. I don’t think I would take one before the 3rd round.@"dadevike" said: I would be stunned and pretty disappointed if Goedert was our pick in round 1. I would rather trade down for more picks or up for a better pick. Because we dont need another pass catcher and red zone threat or because we TE isnt a need or because you dont like Geodert in general?
@"dadevike" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:Geoff, do you have DG as the no. 1 TE? I’m not saying that’s wrong, but I’m also not sure I would agree. But assuming you do, presumably you have him as the first TE coming off the board, and you have him at 30. So if we passed on TE in the first, I doubt NE or Philly would take one. Then no TEs would go in round 1. And that would not surprise me at all.@"dadevike" said:I would argue that if they don't take a TE in the first three rounds they'd be best off passing on the position until the 6th/7th. There are some athletic guys that are incredibly raw that they could stash and develop. The Vikings specifically want a receiving TE and the list you put together above outside of Andrews/Fumagali will be gone by the end of the 2nd round.@"Poiple" said:Nothing against DG. I think he is a good player. So is Gesicki, Andrews, Hurst, Fumagali, and Ian Thomas. Quite a few good TEs in this draft. DG looks good but TE is not a big need, at least not like CB and OL. I don’t think I would take one before the 3rd round.@"dadevike" said: I would be stunned and pretty disappointed if Goedert was our pick in round 1. I would rather trade down for more picks or up for a better pick. Because we dont need another pass catcher and red zone threat or because we TE isnt a need or because you dont like Geodert in general?I agree that 3 TEs may go in the second round, maybe even before we pick. I would be very surprised if 4 were taken by the end of the second. I would not be surprised if only 2 were taken. Third round may be the sweet spot for us to take a TE.
Yes, I have Goedert first by a hair. It seems a lot of media guys like Hurst. I have them ranked Goedert/Gesicki in tier one and then Hurst in a tier of his own, followed by Ian Thomas.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"minny65" said: I read about Goedert's 40 time in another review and I think the source was below. Don't know what they mean by personal workout or for what team. Did not know that he didn't run the 40 at combine or Pro Day. Giesiki ran a 4.54 at the combine. I wonder why Goedert didn;t run at either opportunity?Pig skin prospects: Measurements (* Denotes Pro Day or Personal Workout Numbers):
LISTED HEIGHT LISTED WEIGHT LISTED 40 TIME COMBINE HEIGHT COMBINE WEIGHT ARM LENGTH HAND SIZE 6'4 250 4.76 6'4 256 34 10
He injured his hamstring at the senior bowl, so he didn't run. It was a new injury so its not like he's had injury issues or anything at SDSU.
I am very curious what kind of 40 he will run when healthy. The personal workout number from above is not very good but who knows where that number came from.But related to speed, watching the highlight tape, he doesn't get separation from LB'ers and most catches are contested and against a lower tier of players.
@"minny65" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"minny65" said: I read about Goedert's 40 time in another review and I think the source was below. Don't know what they mean by personal workout or for what team. Did not know that he didn't run the 40 at combine or Pro Day. Giesiki ran a 4.54 at the combine. I wonder why Goedert didn;t run at either opportunity?Pig skin prospects: Measurements (* Denotes Pro Day or Personal Workout Numbers):
LISTED HEIGHT LISTED WEIGHT LISTED 40 TIME COMBINE HEIGHT COMBINE WEIGHT ARM LENGTH HAND SIZE 6'4 250 4.76 6'4 256 34 10
He injured his hamstring at the senior bowl, so he didn't run. It was a new injury so its not like he's had injury issues or anything at SDSU.
I am very curious what kind of 40 he will run when healthy. The personal workout number from above is not very good but who knows where that number came from.But related to speed, watching the highlight tape, he doesn't get separation from LB'ers and most catches are contested and against a lower tier of players.
Huh? You don't have his straight-line speed numbers but the rest of his workout numbers were around the 80th percentile or above. More specifically his agility grades were unbelievable for a player his size.
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