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How convenient that we migrated to the new site so I can't pull this out of the archives like you did, right Tom?
http://vikefans.com/forum/index.php/topic/18945-teddy-bustwater/page-1

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#1 · Mar 18, 3:57 PM
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@"SouthCarolinaViking" said: I wish we could've resigned him to an incentive-laden deal like that. If Cousins sh!ts the bed or gets hurt Teddy could have had a better chance to restart his career here with his old team mates than in New York. 


Trevor Siemian is only under contract for this season. I think he makes a pretty damn good backup, but I can see a scenario where Teddy ends up right back here in '19. It would have to be a worst-case scenario for Teddy, because he's obviously hoping to win the starting job there. It would have to be a scenario where he proves he's healthy, but doesn't play enough to draw starting interest from other teams. Never know...

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"SouthCarolinaViking" said: I wish we could've resigned him to an incentive-laden deal like that. If Cousins sh!ts the bed or gets hurt Teddy could have had a better chance to restart his career here with his old team mates than in New York. 


Trevor Siemian is only under contract for this season. I think he makes a pretty damn good backup, but I can see a scenario where Teddy ends up right back here in '19. It would have to be a worst-case scenario for Teddy, because he's obviously hoping to win the starting job there. It would have to be a scenario where he proves he's healthy, but doesn't play enough to draw starting interest from other teams. Never know...


I know probability is never zero but I don't see this happening (it's as close to zero as it can get). The reason for me saying this is because of the guaranteed money being paid Kirk and he will be eligible for a new contract at 32 plus he can't be traded.
If Teddy were to come back in in any capacity next year he would be coming to be a backup for at least two years and then hoping Kirk does not live up to the contract AND he has instilled confidence to the front office around when Kirk is due a renewal. That will be assuming he has consistently outplayed Kirk with the limited reps he will have.
If the Kirk experiment goes south we are more likely drafting a new QB assuming Kyle S does not pan out than hand the job to Teddy on a long term basis.
When Teddy walked out the door (as sad as it is to say), his chances of being a viking pretty much evaporated

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@"Mike Olson" said: I do have to admit that I totally engineered the phasing out of software, necessitating our move to a new software platform that was awful and then consequently this software platform (which still needs an offseason's worth of work) and then had the database for the original forum corrupted so that I could foil a users ability to show that their prediction was the right one!

I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids!


SWA, that's one way of interpreting what I wrote. Another is that Tom Moore is a douchebag.

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@"RushmoreVike" said:
@"holmanjp" said:
@"SouthCarolinaViking" said: I wish we could've resigned him to an incentive-laden deal like that. If Cousins sh!ts the bed or gets hurt Teddy could have had a better chance to restart his career here with his old team mates than in New York. 


KC would have to shit in Zims bed, in order for Ted to have taken over for him.

Even if KC had half his average stats, it's still equal to Teds best!!!!!!!!!!!



weve had 3 starting QBs go down early in the season 3 of the last 4 years... 

I to would have preferred Teddy over Simeon to back up Cousins.



I'm having a brain fart.
Who is the 3rd?

Ted 2016
Sam 2017

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@"BattleLakeRaider" said:
@"Mike Olson" said: I do have to admit that I totally engineered the phasing out of software, necessitating our move to a new software platform that was awful and then consequently this software platform (which still needs an offseason's worth of work) and then had the database for the original forum corrupted so that I could foil a users ability to show that their prediction was the right one!

I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids!


SWA, that's one way of interpreting what I wrote. Another is that Tom Moore is a douchebag.


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@"holmanjp" said:
@"RushmoreVike" said:
@"holmanjp" said:
@"SouthCarolinaViking" said: I wish we could've resigned him to an incentive-laden deal like that. If Cousins sh!ts the bed or gets hurt Teddy could have had a better chance to restart his career here with his old team mates than in New York. 


KC would have to shit in Zims bed, in order for Ted to have taken over for him.

Even if KC had half his average stats, it's still equal to Teds best!!!!!!!!!!!



weve had 3 starting QBs go down early in the season 3 of the last 4 years... 

I to would have preferred Teddy over Simeon to back up Cousins.



I'm having a brain fart.
Who is the 3rd?

Ted 2016
Sam 2017



wasnt it matt cassell that went down Teddys rookie year,  then Ponder and then Teddy got his shot?

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@"RushmoreVike" said:
@"holmanjp" said:
@"RushmoreVike" said:
@"holmanjp" said:
@"SouthCarolinaViking" said: I wish we could've resigned him to an incentive-laden deal like that. If Cousins sh!ts the bed or gets hurt Teddy could have had a better chance to restart his career here with his old team mates than in New York. 


KC would have to shit in Zims bed, in order for Ted to have taken over for him.

Even if KC had half his average stats, it's still equal to Teds best!!!!!!!!!!!



weve had 3 starting QBs go down early in the season 3 of the last 4 years... 

I to would have preferred Teddy over Simeon to back up Cousins.



I'm having a brain fart.
Who is the 3rd?

Ted 2016
Sam 2017



wasnt it matt cassell that went down Teddys rookie year,  then Ponder and then Teddy got his shot?


AH, yes I believe you are correct. Broken foot or something?

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@"RushmoreVike" said:
@"holmanjp" said:
@"RushmoreVike" said:
@"holmanjp" said:
@"SouthCarolinaViking" said: I wish we could've resigned him to an incentive-laden deal like that. If Cousins sh!ts the bed or gets hurt Teddy could have had a better chance to restart his career here with his old team mates than in New York. 


KC would have to shit in Zims bed, in order for Ted to have taken over for him.

Even if KC had half his average stats, it's still equal to Teds best!!!!!!!!!!!



weve had 3 starting QBs go down early in the season 3 of the last 4 years... 

I to would have preferred Teddy over Simeon to back up Cousins.



I'm having a brain fart.
Who is the 3rd?

Ted 2016
Sam 2017



wasnt it matt cassell that went down Teddys rookie year,  then Ponder and then Teddy got his shot?


Yep, Cassell, but Teddy was the #2.  Teddy got hurt in the Atlanta game (but played the entire game) then Ponder played as TB's backup.

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@"mblack" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"SouthCarolinaViking" said: I wish we could've resigned him to an incentive-laden deal like that. If Cousins sh!ts the bed or gets hurt Teddy could have had a better chance to restart his career here with his old team mates than in New York. 


Trevor Siemian is only under contract for this season. I think he makes a pretty damn good backup, but I can see a scenario where Teddy ends up right back here in '19. It would have to be a worst-case scenario for Teddy, because he's obviously hoping to win the starting job there. It would have to be a scenario where he proves he's healthy, but doesn't play enough to draw starting interest from other teams. Never know...


I know probability is never zero but I don't see this happening (it's as close to zero as it can get). The reason for me saying this is because of the guaranteed money being paid Kirk and he will be eligible for a new contract at 32 plus he can't be traded.
If Teddy were to come back in in any capacity next year he would be coming to be a backup for at least two years and then hoping Kirk does not live up to the contract AND he has instilled confidence to the front office around when Kirk is due a renewal. That will be assuming he has consistently outplayed Kirk with the limited reps he will have.
If the Kirk experiment goes south we are more likely drafting a new QB assuming Kyle S does not pan out than hand the job to Teddy on a long term basis.
When Teddy walked out the door (as sad as it is to say), his chances of being a viking pretty much evaporated



Another reason this is unlikely to happen: Teddy left the Vikings franchise in anger for some reason. I think that is undeniable now that we have seen how little his Jets contract really is. Do you think the Vikings did not offer him $500K or more? I'm willing to bet they did. According to Sid Hartman, Bridgewater was demanding $10M/season, and I got the impression Vikings were open to negotiating but at a lower rate. Taking the Jets' offer was effectively saying, "I'll take ANYTHING to get away from you!!"
The Jets are going to start McCown and draft a QB to groom. Bridgewater is being given a chance to compete with Bryce Petty and Christian Haeckenberg to win the backup job. There's a pretty fair chance this board will be nearly broken by all the "Bring back Teddy!!" chants when the Jets announce their final roster cuts on September 2. But would he even return if invited?

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"SouthCarolinaViking" said: I wish we could've resigned him to an incentive-laden deal like that. If Cousins sh!ts the bed or gets hurt Teddy could have had a better chance to restart his career here with his old team mates than in New York. 


Trevor Siemian is only under contract for this season. I think he makes a pretty damn good backup, but I can see a scenario where Teddy ends up right back here in '19. It would have to be a worst-case scenario for Teddy, because he's obviously hoping to win the starting job there. It would have to be a scenario where he proves he's healthy, but doesn't play enough to draw starting interest from other teams. Never know...


Teddy is a great person but the bottom line is...Teddy is Gone!
Siemian doesn't look like a bad QB and hopefully Flip can make him better.
Also they have Sloter on the back burner and he won't be kept there for ever.

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Teddy, much like Keenum has shown an ability to be a good QB, but both lack the ability to drive the ball down the field. i think teddy has more upside than Case, but the knee is a risk.  We got our guy

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Damn shame is what I say...For Teddy and the Vikings. 

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The Jets got quite a bargain.  They can observe Teddy and let him play in the pre-season.  If he is doing well then maybe some team will come calling if they suffer an injury.  Or maybe some team will want to trade for him anyway.  Either way.  Paying 500K is not a lot of money until opening day.

The Vikings paid Datone Jones 1.8 mil last year only to cut him before opening day.  Not bad for 5 months work.

If the Jets end up trading him for a 3rd or 4th right before the start of the season they will be hailed as geniuses.

Unfortunately for Teddy, his injury and having not played in any games really gave teams a lot of concern about giving him several million bucks guaranteed.  Add in the fact the Vikings really did not try to keep him as their starter and that probably was not a good sign to other teams.

I have noticed over the years that often times there are some Vikings fans that will kick a player in his backside after he leaves the team for whatever reason.  It is a sad display and shows a bit of the fans character or lack thereof.  They can try to excuse it away or deny but the action betrays those excuses.

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@"MarkSP18" said: The Jets got quite a bargain.  They can observe Teddy and let him play in the pre-season.  If he is doing well then maybe some team will come calling if they suffer an injury.  Or maybe some team will want to trade for him anyway.  Either way.  Paying 500K is not a lot of money until opening day.

The Vikings paid Datone Jones 1.8 mil last year only to cut him before opening day.  Not bad for 5 months work.

If the Jets end up trading him for a 3rd or 4th right before the start of the season they will be hailed as geniuses.

Unfortunately for Teddy, his injury and having not played in any games really gave teams a lot of concern about giving him several million bucks guaranteed.  Add in the fact the Vikings really did not try to keep him as their starter and that probably was not a good sign to other teams.

I have noticed over the years that often times there are some Vikings fans that will kick a player in his backside after he leaves the team for whatever reason.  It is a sad display and shows a bit of the fans character or lack thereof.  They can try to excuse it away or deny but the action betrays those excuses.


some players dont deserve respect after they leave.... most do,  but some dont.  what is sad is those that kick the good guys who tried hard but came up short and give the turds a pass.

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@"RushmoreVike" said:
@"MarkSP18" said: The Jets got quite a bargain.  They can observe Teddy and let him play in the pre-season.  If he is doing well then maybe some team will come calling if they suffer an injury.  Or maybe some team will want to trade for him anyway.  Either way.  Paying 500K is not a lot of money until opening day.

The Vikings paid Datone Jones 1.8 mil last year only to cut him before opening day.  Not bad for 5 months work.

If the Jets end up trading him for a 3rd or 4th right before the start of the season they will be hailed as geniuses.

Unfortunately for Teddy, his injury and having not played in any games really gave teams a lot of concern about giving him several million bucks guaranteed.  Add in the fact the Vikings really did not try to keep him as their starter and that probably was not a good sign to other teams.

I have noticed over the years that often times there are some Vikings fans that will kick a player in his backside after he leaves the team for whatever reason.  It is a sad display and shows a bit of the fans character or lack thereof.  They can try to excuse it away or deny but the action betrays those excuses.


some players dont deserve respect after they leave.... most do,  but some dont.  what is sad is those that kick the good guys who tried hard but came up short and give the turds a pass.


This entire thread is full of that lol.

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@"Bullazin" said: Teddy, much like Keenum has shown an ability to be a good QB, but both lack the ability to drive the ball down the field.
Really wondering what you are thinking here.
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The only thing standing in his way is his knee.  If healthy don't count him out.

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@"MarkSP18" said: I have noticed over the years that often times there are some Vikings fans that will kick a player in his backside after he leaves the team for whatever reason.  It is a sad display and shows a bit of the fans character or lack thereof.  They can try to excuse it away or deny but the action betrays those excuses.


Agree, just the title of the tread is very immature/childish.  But then again our current POTUS calls everyone names so part of our current culture to long distance/social media bully.

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@"Poiple" said:
@"Bullazin" said: Teddy, much like Keenum has shown an ability to be a good QB, but both lack the ability to drive the ball down the field.
Really wondering what you are thinking here.
looks pretty clear to me.  whats your question?
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@"minny65" said:
@"MarkSP18" said: I have noticed over the years that often times there are some Vikings fans that will kick a player in his backside after he leaves the team for whatever reason.  It is a sad display and shows a bit of the fans character or lack thereof.  They can try to excuse it away or deny but the action betrays those excuses.


Agree, just the title of the tread is very immature/childish.  But then again our current POTUS calls everyone names so part of our current culture to long distance/social media bully.


Really? If you don't like it, prove you are the mature one and keep scrolling. Short history lesson: I started this thread in 2014 after Teddy posted a stat line similar to what Ponder posted routinely. Everybody lost their minds about the sacrilege and how dare I even question Teddy's purple saviorhood!

Tom Moore then resurrected this thread in 2015 after Teddy enjoyed to that point the most success of his career.

To be clear: I wish TB the best of luck in the future, and I really truly wish he was the franchise qb we have been starved for as a fan base since sir francis.

The fact is that he didn't pan out here, hopefully his knee holds up so he can have a long career somewhere else, and Cousins brings us the Championship we so richly deserve. The franchise certainly paid enough for him.

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