CAP Savings - Murray, Wright, BRob?

look, Brian is around 34 years old. isnt a starter. and may only play one more year. 

it may not be fair, based on performance, but he is exactly the type of guy teams approach with a paycut proposition. 

now it is his choice if he wants to accept that pay cut and play on one of the best teams in the nfl for a chance at a superbowl. 

and whoever mentioned Rudy for a little paycut has the right idea. vikings bring him to free agent dinners like Rudy is a star. hes just a pretty good one. 

@"Purple Haze" said:

@"Purplewhizz" said: Has anyone actually asked him to take a paycut or is this all just specukation?

I believe pops di mention somewhere that B Rob has been approached about it.

34 is old in NFL years.   Time to move on from BRob imo.   The $ savings is needed and he earned millions over his career, nothing to cry about.

Age is a number,  it's meaning is different for every player.  Brian hasn't shown any major issues and is the defensive leader.  The  league has plenty of examples of players going into their mid to late 30s at a high level.  Today's diet and training regimens are significantly better than those of even 15 years ago.  

Not to mention that Brian  was a freak athlete when we drafted him and is still pretty damn impressive.  Losing Brian would be a big loss to our defense with no heir apparent.

@"comet52" said: 34 is old in NFL years.   Time to move on from BRob imo.   The $ savings is needed and he earned millions over his career, nothing to cry about.

So New England should have released Brady about 5 years and two super bowl trophys ago then is 34 years is old.  And why havent they released Newman for the same reason.  Age has nothing to do with it if you can still perform at a high level. If his salary was 6 or 7 million then I can see him taking a cut that would make a difference. Does 1 million and change of savings make that big a differnce.  If they were a few millio over the cap I would understand.

Another factor to consider is what impact does this have to the locker room.  They already let multiple well liked players leave to bring in an outsider (I'm ok with that btw), now looking at another to skim another 1 million from B Rob ? 
The QB decision could be taken as a tough business decision, however, it can be justified based on facts.  B Rob's situation could be perceived as petty.  Not good for chemistry.

@"RushmoreVike" said:

@"Maple Surple" said: I don’t think the Vikings are picking on him...

Most hear have an emotional attachment that you cannot have in a billion dollar business

As a fan of a team....why wouldn't a person have emotion?  If there is no emotional attachment then what the fucks the point?

@"Maple Surple" said:

@"RushmoreVike" said:

@"Maple Surple" said: I don’t think the Vikings are picking on him...

Most hear have an emotional attachment that you cannot have in a billion dollar business

As a fan of a team....why wouldn't a person have emotion?  If there is no emotional attachment then what the fucks the point?

Some here are acting like it’s the ending to Old Yeller
 
Anywho...everyone have a great Sunday

@"Maple Surple" said:

@"RushmoreVike" said:

@"Maple Surple" said: I don’t think the Vikings are picking on him...

Most hear have an emotional attachment that you cannot have in a billion dollar business

As a fan of a team....why wouldn't a person have emotion?  If there is no emotional attachment then what the fucks the point?

I’m not saying you can’t...but maybe don’t take it so personal
The Vikings are not doing this just to be pricks, doubt it’s some vandetta 
This team is actually amazing when it comes to the cap, and not buy playing favorites  ;)

Some here are acting like it’s the ending to Old Yeller
 
Anywho...everyone have a great Sunday

@"Maple Surple" said:

@"RushmoreVike" said:

@"Maple Surple" said: I don’t think the Vikings are picking on him...

Most hear have an emotional attachment that you cannot have in a billion dollar business

As a fan of a team....why wouldn't a person have emotion?  If there is no emotional attachment then what the fucks the point?

I’m not saying you can’t...but maybe don’t take it so personal
The Vikings are not doing this just to be pricks, doubt it’s some vandetta 
This team is actually amazing when it comes to the cap, and not buy playing favorites  ;)

Some here are acting like it’s the ending to Old Yeller
 
Anywho...everyone have a great Sunday

If the plan is another SB run this year BRob is invaluable for his versatility, leadership, and experience on the DL.  The depth he brings to the rotation alone is worth what he's getting paid if there is even one injury on the DL.  Do they cut him so they can keep one of the others?  that would make no sense, nobody behind him has shown any ability to be effective playing substantial snaps.  If I was them I'd run the DL more like Philly did last year and keep them more fresh and moving around and that is where Brian is of real value.

Don't try to get too cute Rick, if the draft breaks your way and in camp it's obvious Brian is a bubble cut deal with it then.  For that to happen Bowser and Weatherly will have to look a lot better and Stephen and Johnson will have to look much better.  Until that happens Brob is 5th on the depth chart and a backup at 2-3 spots.

Robison as an 11 year vet should be given ample time to decide if he wants to continue playing. The Vikings do not need cap room this second so they can afford him the time he needs, which would be the right thing to do. 

If he ends up retiring, that is his choice. If he wants to continue his career it probably won't be at his current salary. Brian still played a little over 50% of the defensive stats in 2017 but that likely will closer to 20-30% in 2018. He also wasn't nearly as consistent in a rotational role. Those types of players maker a salary closer to $2.25M than $3.5M. 

You have to respect veterans since their leadership is invaluable. But if you refuse to cut ties or pursue a price cut due to emotional ties you're doing the other 52 players on the roster a disservice. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Robison as an 11 year vet should be given ample time to decide if he wants to continue playing. The Vikings do not need cap room this second so they can afford him the time he needs, which would be the right thing to do. 

If he ends up retiring, that is his choice. If he wants to continue his career it probably won't be at his current salary. Brian still played a little over 50% of the defensive stats in 2017 but that likely will closer to 20-30% in 2018. He also wasn't nearly as consistent in a rotational role. Those types of players maker a salary closer to $2.25M than $3.5M. 

You have to respect veterans since their leadership is invaluable. But if you refuse to cut ties or pursue a price cut due to emotional ties you're doing the other 52 players on the roster a disservice. 

Yep. It happens every year on every team. Tough decisions will be made. Contract restructuring will be asked. Its life in the NFL.

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Robison as an 11 year vet should be given ample time to decide if he wants to continue playing. The Vikings do not need cap room this second so they can afford him the time he needs, which would be the right thing to do. 

If he ends up retiring, that is his choice. If he wants to continue his career it probably won't be at his current salary. Brian still played a little over 50% of the defensive stats in 2017 but that likely will closer to 20-30% in 2018. He also wasn't nearly as consistent in a rotational role. Those types of players maker a salary closer to $2.25M than $3.5M. 

You have to respect veterans since their leadership is invaluable. But if you refuse to cut ties or pursue a price cut due to emotional ties you're doing the other 52 players on the roster a disservice. 

Care to back that up?  I don’t seem to remember the D falling off when Brian was in and his stats are not far off from when he started 16 games.  If he wasn’t effective why was he the first one out there?  Most people in this thread are saying BRob still does his job and more, not just emotional reasons.  The “and more” (experience/onfiled coaching of younger players) part would easily make up the 1.25 million difference.  

Who fills his role if the Vikings decide to save 1.2 million or more? 

LOL @Old Yeller.  accurate, though!

@"Bezerker88" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Robison as an 11 year vet should be given ample time to decide if he wants to continue playing. The Vikings do not need cap room this second so they can afford him the time he needs, which would be the right thing to do. 

If he ends up retiring, that is his choice. If he wants to continue his career it probably won't be at his current salary. Brian still played a little over 50% of the defensive stats in 2017 but that likely will closer to 20-30% in 2018. He also wasn't nearly as consistent in a rotational role. Those types of players maker a salary closer to $2.25M than $3.5M. 

You have to respect veterans since their leadership is invaluable. But if you refuse to cut ties or pursue a price cut due to emotional ties you're doing the other 52 players on the roster a disservice. 

Care to back that up?  I don’t seem to remember the D falling off when Brian was in and his stats are not far off from when he started 16 games.  If he wasn’t effective why was he the first one out there?  Most people in this thread are saying BRob still does his job and more, not just emotional reasons.  The “and more” (experience/onfiled coaching of younger players) part would easily make up the 1.25 million difference.  

Who fills his role if the Vikings decide to save 1.2 million or more? 

I've kinda watched this thread since it was put up. Now i won t get into the argument because it wouldn't do any good. I would just be told i am emotionally involved and discount what i say because of that. The ones arguing in favor of keeping his job are doing a pretty good job.
Those (Geoff, i do respect your opinion) saying he would likely get less snaps, how do you know this? Now i know some of you are very knowledgeable and really in tune to what's going on but i really do know some things that you don't.  What i can tell you is this. Last year no one knew Brian's job would be given away and it was the first day of OTAs. He did take his pay cut before then. He gave back  $1.2 mil. Oh and the coaches weren't in favor of him losing his job, but that doesn't matter to the GM, who, in TC, inquired as to why the pass rush wasn't as effective. If you remember Brian missed a lot of TC with back and groin issues. The GM/RS was told why. Care to take a guess why? I'll leave it up to you. Let me go back and say that his job was given away, no competition in TC. Why was that? He did have 7.5 sacks at 33 only .5 sacks less than EG ( that.5 sack was also arguable because the QB fell in to LJ while Brian was taking him down) who was rewarded with a new contract with a ton of guarenteed money.
This is why i don't get involved in a lot of these debates. I end up writing a book. I'll try to cut it short.
Let me also say that i think Hunter is a great kid and should become a great player. I say, should, because i know how coaches and yes, GMs can either build a player or keep them squashed. Yes it does happen, believe it or not, i don't care. Anyway, Brian's first year to start he had 8 sacks. Of course he was told to read and play the run first, unless it was a total passing down. Boy did that hurt his numbers. Don't believe that? Again, i don't care. How many did DH have? We all know and he was told not to worry about the run get your butt across the line. Hmmm. I could go on and on with stories that you don't know of. Now if you don't believe me go back, if you can,  and watch a few games over the last 2 years and you will see that he is usually the first man across the line when it is pass rushing down. Hard to believe that the coaches back when he came in and to date never tapped in to a 1.49 10 yard split time. Yes that is comparable to DBs, RBs and WRs. Their loss, i guess. That still stands as a DLinemens record at the combine, as far as i know. Hell, it was within a 100th of a second of being in the top ten-15 all time.
Now i did say i would try and cut it short. Nobody cared when Brian was in the top 5 of the NFL for about 3-5 yrs in pressures, QB disruptions or hits on QB. Hell one of those years he led the league in QB disruptions. But all that could be said was, he's not making sacks. Yeah, there was even an article that written about how statistical wise he was among the elite pass rushers, but was he elite. Lol, what bullshit.
See, i told ya not to get me started. If you think I embellish (BSing you all), look it up.
Last year only 56% of the defensive snaps. Still had 4 sacks not his best year but considering he wasn't getting hardly any snaps, if any, on passing downs, at his LDE position. His job was much more complex on passing downs. Putting others in position to make plays or sacks. Don't believe that? Look at film bro s. Watch him move a player or put himself in position to draw doubleteams to single up another player. Yeah those players tell him thanks and sometimes ask," how did you see that coming.
Now a lot of what i said can't be verified but i have no reason to lie, y'all won't be the ones making the decision and neither will the coaches. I'm pretty confident they would tell you they want him here. Hell, Zimmer told him a couple of years ago he could prolong his career 4-5 years if he wanted to be an inside passrusher.
Don't take my word for that? I don't care. I promise I will end this soon, just a long essay, not my book. Lol
Go back to your film of last years games. Look at some of those games and see when the game is on the line if he's in. That should tell you who they want in when the game is on the line or need to close out a game. While you're looking at those games take a look on passing downs and see who draws more double teams than you think, hell, sometimes triple teams too. But be truthful with yourself, because i focus 98% on Brian during a game. Draws them as much or more than the big name guys we have. But is he playing like a 34 yr old? If he is i don't see it. Somehow if he plays this year, i don't think he'll look like a 35 yr old. I got more but i have to go. Love ya guys and gals. I promise i won't interrupt the debate any more with my essays.

@"96POPS" said: I've kinda watched this thread since it was put up. Now i won t get into the argument because it wouldn't do any good. I would just be told i am emotionally involved and discount what i say because of that. The ones arguing in favor of keeping his job are doing a pretty good job. Those (Geoff, i do respect your opinion) saying he would likely get less snaps, how do you know this? Now i know some of you are very knowledgeable and really in tune to what's going on but i really do know some things that you don't.  What i can tell you is this. Last year no one knew Brian job would be given away and it was the first day of OTAs. He did take his pay cut before then. He gave back  $1.2 mil. Oh and the coaches weren't in favor of him losing his job, but that doesn't matter to the GM, who, in TC, inquired as to why the pass rush wasn't as effective. If you remember Brian missed a lot of TC with back and groin issues. The GM/RS was told why. Care to take a guess why? I'll leave it up to you. Let me go back and say that his job was given away, no competition in TC. Why was that? He did have 7.5 sacks at 33 only .5 sacks less than EG ( that.5 sack was also arguable because the QB fell in to LJ while Brian was taking him down) who was rewarded with a new contract with a ton of guarenteed money. This is why i don't get involved in a lot of these debates. I end up writing a book. I'll try to cut it short. Let me alsonsay that i think Hunter is a great kid and should become a great player. I say, should, because i know how coaches and yes, GMs can either build a player or keep them squashed. Yes it does happen, believe it or not, i don't care. Anyway, Brian's first year to start he had 8 sacks. If course he was told to read and play the run first, unless it was a total passing down. Boy did that hurt his numbers. Don't believe that? Again, i don't care. How many did DH have? We all know and he was told not to worry about the run get your but across the line. Hmmm. I could go on and on with stories that you don't know of. Now if you don't believe me go back, if you can,  and watch a few games over the last 2 years and you will see that he is usually the first man across the line when it is pass rushing down. Hard to believe that thr coaches back when he came in and to date never tapped in to a 1.49 10 yard split time. Yes that is comparable to DBs, RBs and WRs. Their loss, i guess. That still stands as a DLinemens record at the combine, as far as i know. Hell, it was within a 100th of a second of being in the top ten-15 all time. Now i did say i would try and cut it short. Nobody cared when Brian was in the top 5 of the NFL for about 3-5 yrs in pressures, QB disruptions or hits on QB. Hell one of those years he led the league in QB disruptions. But all that could be said was, he's not making sacks. Yeah, there was even an article that written about how statistical wise he was among the elite pass rushers, but was he elite. Lol, what bullshit. See, i told ya not to get me started. If you think I embellish (BSing you all), look it up. Last year only 56% of the defensive snaps. Still had 4 sacks no his best year but considering he wasn't getting hardly any snaps, if any, on passing downs, at his LDE position. His job was much more complex on passing downs. Putting others in position to make plays or sacks. Don't believe that? Look at film bro s. Watch him move a player or put himself in position to draw doubleteams tonsingle up another player. Yeah those players tell him thanks and sometimes ask," how did you see that coming. Now a lot of what i said can't be verified but i have no reason to lie, y'all won't be the ones making the decision and neiter will the coaches. I'm pretty confident they would tell you they want him here. Hell, Zimmer told himna couple of years ago he could prolong his career 4-5 years id he wanted to ne an inside passrusher. Don't take my word for that? I don't care. I promise I will end this soon, just a long essay, not my book. Lol Go back to your film of last years games. Look at somenof those games and see when the game is on the line if he's in. That should tell you who they want in when the game is on the line or need to close out a game. While you're looking at those games take a look on passing downs and see who draws more double teams than you think, hell, sometimes triple teams too. But be truthfulbwith yourself, because i focus 98% on Brian during a game. Draws them as much or more than the big name guys we have. But is he playing like a 34 yr old? If he is i don't see it. Somehow if he plays this year, i don't think he'll look like a 35 yr old. I got more but i have to go. Love ya guys andngals. I promise i won't interrupt the debate any more with my essays.

The portion I bolded in your post is very true and if you re-watch the D-line play throughout the season its pretty apparent. When Zimmer preaches "sacks aren't our only goal" he is telling the truth. The Vikings D-line scheme is fairly complex to give specific looks to make the protections on double A gap pressure next to impossible. 

But I am not here to try to argue or ruffle feathers. The situation is equally political as it is a discussion about talent. The team always holds the keys as to whether a player can produce up to their salary. But as I've said before Brian's leadership is invaluable :) 

lets cut all the veterans!!!  great for team moral!!!  

now serriously. what i dont understand last year was after griffens foot injury. why didnt brob play more snaps?  

im also not a fan of cutting an 11 yr veteran to save $1m. Its one thing if we’re nuts on a nat tight in money but it sounds like weve got a little bretheing room no?