Teddy leaving? Soon to be followed by...

Well that changes everything, doesn't it? Really surprised Zimmer would say this on the eve of free agency. But I suspect this is probably information all teams already had. 

@"MaroonBells" said: Well that changes everything, doesn't it? Really surprised Zimmer would say this on the eve of free agency. But I suspect this is probably information all teams already had. 

Yup.  But I'm getting the feeling from the recent articles on Teddy and now this on Bradford that the Vikes may well be clearing any obstacles to land Cousins. 

@"Ralphie" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Well that changes everything, doesn't it? Really surprised Zimmer would say this on the eve of free agency. But I suspect this is probably information all teams already had. 

Yup.  But I'm getting the feeling from the recent articles on Teddy and now this on Bradford that the Vikes may well be clearing any obstacles to land Cousins. 

Damn...Best arm currently on the team too. Well, at least the smoke is clearing a little bit. 

I'm not convinced that Cousins is that much better than Case.  He has a slightly better arm; may be a little more accurate; and may get rid of the ball a little quicker. But I think Case actually throws a better deep ball. Case is certainly better at avoiding a pass rush. And he is a real leader - I don't know about Cousins as a leader. 
And it's not that I am a huge fan of Case as a QB - although I do like him a lot as a teammate and person. 
The biggest advantage Cousins has over Case is that Case has only done it one year.  We are not sure he can repeat what he did last year. We are pretty sure Cousins can do what he has been doing now for 3 years.  Maybe that's enough.

WTF is it with our potential franchise QB’s and non contact injuries causing their knees to blow up. FFS

@"dadevike" said: But I think Case actually throws a better deep ball.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"dadevike" said: But I think Case actually throws a better deep ball.

Oh come on, now let's not go crazy. I agree that Cousins is getting way more hype than he's worth, but Keenum would need bionic surgery to get this or this much on his deep ball. 

@"Bullazin" said: WTF is it with our potential franchise QB’s and non contact injuries causing their knees to blow up. FFS

and dont forget Brent Mcclanahan fumble at Raiders 1 yard line at 0-0 in SB XI

@"MaroonBells" said: Well that changes everything, doesn't it? Really surprised Zimmer would say this on the eve of free agency. But I suspect this is probably information all teams already had. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"dadevike" said: But I think Case actually throws a better deep ball.

Oh come on, now let's not go crazy. I agree that Cousins is getting way more hype than he's worth, but Keenum would need bionic surgery to get this or this much on his deep ball. 

Zimmer sure didnt do Sam any favors by saying that and I’m not sure what kind of purpose it served.  He shouldn’t be volunteering that kind of information.

@"dadevike" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"dadevike" said: But I think Case actually throws a better deep ball.

Oh come on, now let's not go crazy. I agree that Cousins is getting way more hype than he's worth, but Keenum would need bionic surgery to get this or this much on his deep ball. 

That was more about Cousins having better arm strength than Case - not elite arm strength by any means, just a little better than Case. But if you look at a larger number of deep passes, I think you’ll find Case is more accurate and has a higher percentage of catchable deep balls.

I’m not saying Case is a better QB than Cousins. I just don’t think that Cousins is that much better.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"dadevike" said: But I think Case actually throws a better deep ball.

Oh come on, now let's not go crazy. I agree that Cousins is getting way more hype than he's worth, but Keenum would need bionic surgery to get this or this much on his deep ball. 

That was more about Cousins having better arm strength than Case - not elite arm strength by any means, just a little better than Case. But if you look at a larger number of deep passes, I think you’ll find Case is more accurate and has a higher percentage of catchable deep balls.

I’m not saying Case is a better QB than Cousins. I just don’t think that Cousins is that much better.

catchable yes,  but also catchable by the defense.  Case puts so much air under many of his deep throws that its amazing that receivers arent waving their arms for a fair catch.  it makes a nice catchable ball,  but they are also much riskier and dont lead to much YAC very often.

@"dadevike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"dadevike" said: But I think Case actually throws a better deep ball.

Oh come on, now let's not go crazy. I agree that Cousins is getting way more hype than he's worth, but Keenum would need bionic surgery to get this or this much on his deep ball. 

That was more about Cousins having better arm strength than Case - not elite arm strength by any means, just a little better than Case. But if you look at a larger number of deep passes, I think you’ll find Case is more accurate and has a higher percentage of catchable deep balls.

I’m not saying Case is a better QB than Cousins. I just don’t think that Cousins is that much better.

catchable yes,  but also catchable by the defense.  Case puts so much air under many of his deep throws that its amazing that receivers arent waving their arms for a fair catch.  it makes a nice catchable ball,  but they are also much riskier and dont lead to much YAC very often.

Agreed.  Most of Case's passes involve some element of "thrill."  Usually it is for the better -- it sure helps to have Diggs and Thielen who make very tough catches -- but sometimes for the worse.  I thought Case actually lucked out and had some balls dropped by the defense last year. He may not be so lucky next time.
But the guy is tough and does not flinch even when he knows he is about to be clobbered -- think of the game in Detroit.  And those Case lob balls also led to quite a few long P.I. calls.
My problems with Case - aside from below average arm strength - are (1) the interceptions, and there aren't too many, seem to come at bad times or are really bad throws and (2) more importantly, I don't know if last season was just a magical season for him or if he can really do that again. 
In some ways, I would expect him to improve.  I suspect he learned quite a bit last season about being an NFL quarterback. But some of the things he did may not be repeatable.  Plus, nobody will be taking him lightly going forward if he stays with the Vikings. 
My problem with Cousins is that he may be a bit better than Case, but he may want bust-the-team money. 
So the thinking could be: all we need is a minor improvement in QB play and we could be hosting the NFCCG and being that much closer to the SB.  But the price for that is that for all those young guys we want to re-sign as they come off their rookie deals, we will need to let a few more walk in order to sign Cousins.

Frankly, I am all over the place on these 4 QBs. If the Vikings feel good about Sam and Teddy's knees, I could see bringing both back.
Likewise, I would not mind Cousins, but I don't want to have to walk away from young guys we developed because we had to spend all our money to get Cousins.  But I understand Cousins wanting to break the bank.
Whatever. Just get it done and let's move on.

@"Purplewhizz" said: Zimmer sure didnt do Sam any favors by saying that and I’m not sure what kind of purpose it served.  He shouldn’t be volunteering that kind of information.

I don't think what Dr. Mike ZImmer says in an interview about Sam's knee matters much.  Any team that wants to sign him is going to do their own medical eval.  And Dr. James Andrews who cleaned up his knee last fall said he's "good to go."   

@"comet52" said: I don't think what Dr. Mike ZImmer says in an interview about Sam's knee matters much.  Any team that wants to sign him is going to do their own medical eval.  And Dr. James Andrews who cleaned up his knee last fall said he's "good to go."   

first off is HIPPA laws regarding patient confidentiality,  secondly how would it look if a world renown surgeon says "nope,  hes just to fkd up for me to fix"  people go to andrews because of his walks on water reputation.   if Sam wants to go andrews really cant say anything negative to the public.