Teddy leaving?

@"Jor-El" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: Whatever the Vikings' intentions, it appears that the QB situation will depend on Cousins' asking price vs his desire to "win now", Teddy's development/recovery as seen by the Vikings staff, the real condition of Bradford's knees, and exactly how much the locker room loved Keenum.

All that considered, Cousins is the biggest domino in the game.

am I the only one seeing the Vikings getting left with their 4th or 5th option when this all plays out?   They really want Cousins,  but only at X price.  Its close enough that his team keeps them on the hook.  Meanwhile our QBs are wooed away by the other teams that arent really in the mix for Cousins and we get ryan fitzpatrick backed up by mark sanchez ( who gets beat out for the #2 in camp by Sloter)

Given the Vikings' cap space and desirable situation, it would be a pretty big upset if they didn't end up with one of the top QBs. 

Problem is, we don't know who that is. Are the Vikings as high on Cousins as the hype surrounding him? Do they still believe in Teddy's long-term potential given his knee injury? Are the complimentary statements about Bradford real? Or are they just giving him a fighting chance on the market, as teams often do. And might they still want Case Keenum, but at a much lower price than his franchise salary? 

I don't know the answer to any of these questions, but I feel pretty confident that the Vikings will get the QB they want. 

Same here.  The Wilfs and Rick see the potential on this team and will likely go after what they want.  I fear the opposite really, that we will overspend and hamstring the team in the future.  But as long as we get a ring, I am fine with whatever.

Many people seem so worried about multi-year budget plans for the team. The first, hardest, and only absolutely necessary step in building a championship dynasty: win your FIRST championship. Let's not nitpick the budget to ensure a long-term "division dynasty".

@"Magnus10" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: Whatever the Vikings' intentions, it appears that the QB situation will depend on Cousins' asking price vs his desire to "win now", Teddy's development/recovery as seen by the Vikings staff, the real condition of Bradford's knees, and exactly how much the locker room loved Keenum.

All that considered, Cousins is the biggest domino in the game.

am I the only one seeing the Vikings getting left with their 4th or 5th option when this all plays out?   They really want Cousins,  but only at X price.  Its close enough that his team keeps them on the hook.  Meanwhile our QBs are wooed away by the other teams that arent really in the mix for Cousins and we get ryan fitzpatrick backed up by mark sanchez ( who gets beat out for the #2 in camp by Sloter)

Given the Vikings' cap space and desirable situation, it would be a pretty big upset if they didn't end up with one of the top QBs. 

Problem is, we don't know who that is. Are the Vikings as high on Cousins as the hype surrounding him? Do they still believe in Teddy's long-term potential given his knee injury? Are the complimentary statements about Bradford real? Or are they just giving him a fighting chance on the market, as teams often do. And might they still want Case Keenum, but at a much lower price than his franchise salary? 

I don't know the answer to any of these questions, but I feel pretty confident that the Vikings will get the QB they want. 

Same here.  The Wilfs and Rick see the potential on this team and will likely go after what they want.  I fear the opposite really, that we will overspend and hamstring the team in the future.  But as long as we get a ring, I am fine with whatever.

Many people seem so worried about multi-year budget plans for the team. The first, hardest, and only absolutely necessary step in building a championship dynasty: win your FIRST championship. Let's not nitpick the budget to ensure a long-term "division dynasty".

Agree with Jor-El.  People freak put like its their money being spent, yet its not.  Hell I would bust the Salary Cap budget if it led to us winning a Super Bowl, then gladly pay the consequences over the next few years if necessary.   But thats just me.   I also have a lot of confidence in Brezinski to manage our financials.   

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: Whatever the Vikings' intentions, it appears that the QB situation will depend on Cousins' asking price vs his desire to "win now", Teddy's development/recovery as seen by the Vikings staff, the real condition of Bradford's knees, and exactly how much the locker room loved Keenum.

All that considered, Cousins is the biggest domino in the game.

am I the only one seeing the Vikings getting left with their 4th or 5th option when this all plays out?   They really want Cousins,  but only at X price.  Its close enough that his team keeps them on the hook.  Meanwhile our QBs are wooed away by the other teams that arent really in the mix for Cousins and we get ryan fitzpatrick backed up by mark sanchez ( who gets beat out for the #2 in camp by Sloter)

Given the Vikings' cap space and desirable situation, it would be a pretty big upset if they didn't end up with one of the top QBs. 

Problem is, we don't know who that is. Are the Vikings as high on Cousins as the hype surrounding him? Do they still believe in Teddy's long-term potential given his knee injury? Are the complimentary statements about Bradford real? Or are they just giving him a fighting chance on the market, as teams often do. And might they still want Case Keenum, but at a much lower price than his franchise salary? 

I don't know the answer to any of these questions, but I feel pretty confident that the Vikings will get the QB they want. 

Same here.  The Wilfs and Rick see the potential on this team and will likely go after what they want.  I fear the opposite really, that we will overspend and hamstring the team in the future.  But as long as we get a ring, I am fine with whatever.

Many people seem so worried about multi-year budget plans for the team. The first, hardest, and only absolutely necessary step in building a championship dynasty: win your FIRST championship. Let's not nitpick the budget to ensure a long-term "division dynasty".

a championship would be great,  but not at the expense of having to watch shit football for 3-5 years after that IMO.  I know it sounds crazy,  but I watch for entertainment and as great as 1 year of being on top would be,   i dont know that it wouldnt lose its luster if the team fell off after that due to not being able to afford the pieces or not having the draft pieces to maintain a competitive team.    a lombardi would be awesome,  but not if we cant back it up.  I am fine with going after cousins as long as its done responsibly.   we see good teams go all in ever few years and it rarely works out, can it .... yes,  but its no guarantee that over spending on a guy is going to make it happen.  if our capologist (guru) says around 26 is the max without handcuffing the future then I tend to agree and think that going beyond that would be stupid.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: Whatever the Vikings' intentions, it appears that the QB situation will depend on Cousins' asking price vs his desire to "win now", Teddy's development/recovery as seen by the Vikings staff, the real condition of Bradford's knees, and exactly how much the locker room loved Keenum.

All that considered, Cousins is the biggest domino in the game.

am I the only one seeing the Vikings getting left with their 4th or 5th option when this all plays out?   They really want Cousins,  but only at X price.  Its close enough that his team keeps them on the hook.  Meanwhile our QBs are wooed away by the other teams that arent really in the mix for Cousins and we get ryan fitzpatrick backed up by mark sanchez ( who gets beat out for the #2 in camp by Sloter)

Given the Vikings' cap space and desirable situation, it would be a pretty big upset if they didn't end up with one of the top QBs. 

Problem is, we don't know who that is. Are the Vikings as high on Cousins as the hype surrounding him? Do they still believe in Teddy's long-term potential given his knee injury? Are the complimentary statements about Bradford real? Or are they just giving him a fighting chance on the market, as teams often do. And might they still want Case Keenum, but at a much lower price than his franchise salary? 

I don't know the answer to any of these questions, but I feel pretty confident that the Vikings will get the QB they want. 

Same here.  The Wilfs and Rick see the potential on this team and will likely go after what they want.  I fear the opposite really, that we will overspend and hamstring the team in the future.  But as long as we get a ring, I am fine with whatever.

Many people seem so worried about multi-year budget plans for the team. The first, hardest, and only absolutely necessary step in building a championship dynasty: win your FIRST championship. Let's not nitpick the budget to ensure a long-term "division dynasty".

a championship would be great,  but not at the expense of having to watch shit football for 3-5 years after that IMO.  I know it sounds crazy,  but I watch for entertainment and as great as 1 year of being on top would be,   i dont know that it wouldnt lose its luster if the team fell off after that due to not being able to afford the pieces or not having the draft pieces to maintain a competitive team.    a lombardi would be awesome,  but not if we cant back it up.  I am fine with going after cousins as long as its done responsibly.   we see good teams go all in ever few years and it rarely works out, can it .... yes,  but its no guarantee that over spending on a guy is going to make it happen.  if our capologist (guru) says around 26 is the max without handcuffing the future then I tend to agree and think that going beyond that would be stupid.

I have to think they'll want an agreement in place with Cousins before actual FA starts or they will be forced to make offers to keep one of the others.  Maybe they put the best offer for each on the table and if Kirk doesn't  bite they go plan B.  Assuming they aren't using Kirk as a form of leverage on the others.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Retaining Bridgewater in 'some capacity' isn't what I'd call a ringing endorsement as the answer at QB. But they may have to look at him as a Plan B or fall back scenario potentially depending on how things go with either Cousins or Bradford. 

How can you give a QB who hasn't been on the field in two years a ringing endorsement? I don't think a single NFL team would be able to definitively say that Bridgewater was the answer if they'd been in the Vikings shoes. That doesn't mean they wouldn't want him back however.  

You can't, of course. But he's a Plan B at best right now. Vikings intentions will flesh out for real in the days to come.

There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears.  There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets.  Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them.  Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.

The two day legal tampering period will tell us if Cousins is an option.  If he is not and option and we do not have a deal in principle in place we will absolutely throw some money at Teddy or Bradford.  I think the Vikes let Keenum walk unless everything else falls apart.

Vikings' Teddy Bridgewater set for free agency with contract issue resolvedIf Teddy Bridgewater's career with the Vikings is to continue, the team will have to sign him to a new deal for the 2018 season.
League sources said Tuesday morning that the NFL Management Council has decided not to toll the quarterback's 2017 contract into the new league year, resolving a potentially contentious issue after Bridgewater's 2016 knee injury caused him to begin the 2017 season on the physically-unable-to-perform (PUP) list. Bridgewater is set to become a free agent March 14.
The NFL's collective bargaining agreement says a player on the PUP list and in the final year of his contract will have his deal tolled "if he is still physically unable to perform his football services as of the sixth regular-season game." The Vikings activated Bridgewater from the PUP list after their Week 6 victory over the Green Bay Packers, setting up the possibility his contract could toll into 2018. Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman said before the Super Bowl, though, that Bridgewater was "technically ready" to become a free agent in March, and that any decision to carry over the final year of the quarterback's original four-year contract into his fifth season would be made between the league and the NFL Players Association, independent of the Vikings.
Had the NFL decided to enact the tolling provision of the CBA on Bridgewater's contract, it likely would have triggered a grievance from the NFLPA. NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said on Feb. 2 that the union's position was "if a player is medically cleared to play, he needs to be activated.
"At times, does that result in a fight between the union and management over a provision in the tolling agreement? Yes. Does it mean that might be language we would want to look at again and change in a new CBA? Yes."
The union's case likely would have hung on whether Bridgewater was medically ready to return from the PUP list before he could be activated after six weeks. 
http://www.startribune.com/vikings-teddy-bridgewater-set-for-free-agency-with-contract-issue-resolved/475297223/

The Bridgewater decision moves the Vikings a step closer to widespread changes at the quarterback position. NFL Network reported Monday that the Vikings have elected not to use the franchise tag on Case Keenum, who is also set to become a free agent March 14 after throwing for 3,547 yards and 22 touchdowns while leading the Vikings to the NFC Championship Game. Sam Bradford, who began last season as the starter before having his year interrupted because of a knee injury, is also expected to hit free agency.
There is a widespread belief in NFL circles the Vikings could be among the teams vying for the services of Washington quarterback Kirk Cousins, who is scheduled to become a free agent after playing on the franchise tag the past two seasons.
Cousins, who turns 30 in August, has thrown for more than 4,000 yards in each of the past three years, leading the league in completion percentage (69.8) in 2015 and making the Pro Bowl in 2016 after throwing for 4,917 yards.

@"NodakViking" said: There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears.  There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets.  Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them.  Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"NodakViking" said: There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears.  There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets.  Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them.  Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.

What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"NodakViking" said: There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears.  There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets.  Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them.  Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.

What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.

@"NodakViking" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"NodakViking" said: There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears.  There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets.  Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them.  Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.

What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.

Cutler-fair comparison to Cousins, a few years of production no real winning.  Big money and a team that ended up in cap hell trying to win with him.

I'm not saying that is Cousins, I actually liked him coming out of MSU and thought it was a great move drafting him even though they had already grabbed a QB.

I'm just a little more skeptical than some, he's not a lock franchise QB IMO.  I'll be behind whatever move they make but will probably still be a little skeptical-I've seen too man years of quick fixes that went no where.

The fact that Washington was unwilling to commit to him and even Shanahan didn't wait around to sign him makes me a little leery.  IDK what to think about him, looks good on paper but I haven't seen much of him and that can be good or bad.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"NodakViking" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"NodakViking" said: There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears.  There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets.  Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them.  Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.

What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.

Cutler-fair comparison to Cousins, a few years of production no real winning.  Big money and a team that ended up in cap hell trying to win with him.

I'm not saying that is Cousins, I actually liked him coming out of MSU and thought it was a great move drafting him even though they had already grabbed a QB.

I'm just a little more skeptical than some, he's not a lock franchise QB IMO.  I'll be behind whatever move they make but will probably still be a little skeptical-I've seen too man years of quick fixes that went no where.

cutler is the name I keep going to when thinking of comparison... they look like they should be winners,  nice stats and all, but for some reason they just cant seem to make the jump.   maybe cousins will,  maybe he wont,  but to date he hasnt really done much more than make stats.... and stacks and stacks of cash for himself.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"NodakViking" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"NodakViking" said: There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears.  There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets.  Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them.  Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.

What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.

Cutler-fair comparison to Cousins, a few years of production no real winning.  Big money and a team that ended up in cap hell trying to win with him.

I'm not saying that is Cousins, I actually liked him coming out of MSU and thought it was a great move drafting him even though they had already grabbed a QB.

I'm just a little more skeptical than some, he's not a lock franchise QB IMO.  I'll be behind whatever move they make but will probably still be a little skeptical-I've seen too man years of quick fixes that went no where.

cutler is the name I keep going to when thinking of comparison... they look like they should be winners,  nice stats and all, but for some reason they just cant seem to make the jump.   maybe cousins will,  maybe he wont,  but to date he hasnt really done much more than make stats.... and stacks and stacks of cash for himself.

Ah. Resentment of a QB who gets a large contract at any point. Now this sounds much like comments we were hearing about Bradford last year. Not saying it was you, Jimmy, but others were pretty hung up on Bradford's past earnings.
The Cutler/Cousins comparison is a head shaker. I don't see much beyond the first letter of their last names, to be honest. Cutler was a #1 pick, always esteemed for his great arm strength alone, handed starting jobs, but reputed to be a questionable teammate and unemotional leader. Cousins was a 4th-rounder, afterthought in the RG3 draft, and the Redskins tried to bury him behind Griffin and pretend he wasn't the better player. If Cousins reminds you of detached, sulky Cutler, you must not remember Kirk leading the Skins on a 4-game winning streak to make the playoffs in 2015.
Cousins is a great underdog story, and it's surprising if people resent the single-year salaries he has received the last two seasons. There are a ton of NFL players who received multi-year bonanza contracts and coasted; Cousins bet on himself each of the last two years rather than take a lowball contract from petulant Dan Snyder, and he maintained strong play. All these players are overpaid multimillionaires - Kirk Cousins is far from a spoiled stat machine.

@"NodakViking" said: The fact that Washington was unwilling to commit to him and even Shanahan didn't wait around to sign him makes me a little leery.  IDK what to think about him, looks good on paper but I haven't seen much of him and that can be good or bad.

@"StickyBun" said: Retaining Bridgewater in 'some capacity' isn't what I'd call a ringing endorsement as the answer at QB. But they may have to look at him as a Plan B or fall back scenario potentially depending on how things go with either Cousins or Bradford. 

Josh Allen? A guy who can't hit the side of a house? A QB that is slow read? how would he fit our WCO system that requires a high accuracy and needs to be a fast thinker??