Scenario 14. Nick Foles

uhm no..... check that... fuck no.  while yes foles is marginally better than Case talent wise,  IMO you dont spend a 2nd round draft pick on a guy that is only under contract for 1 year and then put you right back in the same situation you are currently in.   

the way im thinking about it is this.  You can bring back Keenum or Bradford for 15 - 18 million or Foles and Sheldon Richardson for one year at roughly the same money. Makes a very alluring one year window. 

@"Bullazin" said: the way im thinking about it is this.  You can bring back Keenum or Bradford for 15 - 18 million or Foles and Sheldon Richardson for one year at roughly the same money. Makes a very alluring one year window. 

I would much rather sign Keenum than trade for Foles who was on the verge of retirement. After winning the Super Bowl at 35, how much drive does he really have left to do that all over with a new team? He put together back to back career games that the Vikings and Patriots did not seem prepared for with the RPO that Pederson masterminded. The stars were aligned for him, but I don't think it's repeatable and the Eagles need to make sure Wentz is 100% to start the season. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said: the way im thinking about it is this.  You can bring back Keenum or Bradford for 15 - 18 million or Foles and Sheldon Richardson for one year at roughly the same money. Makes a very alluring one year window. 

you can fit richardson in with bradford and a solid #2 and still have your #2 draft pick for an even bigger window.  I will take a risk with Sam over Foles and not having that #2 pick.   if we want to avoid a shit team window in the near future we cant keep trading away higher round draft picks... especially when we are already drafting at the backs of the rounds.

One thing that I think gets overstated: the fear of the Vikings spending big money on a QB.

I think the Vikings would be fine with spending real starting-QB money, though they'd have the leverage that the top-tier defense and offensive tools need compensation as well, to help the QB succeed.  Throwing to guys like Diggs, Thielen, and Rudolph requires paying them as well...something any player/agent has to understand.

I think that Rick would make the deal RIGHT NOW for a $20M+ QB if he knew he was getting value...and the fans would similarly be fine with it if we had a consistent, quality signal-caller for more than 1-2 consecutive seasons.

With the tools on offense and the defense being what it is, finding real quality for 20-25 million per season shouldn't be seen as outrageous...at least, for someone like Cousins.  I'd even be fine with an incentive-heavy contract for Sam, if specialists say that his knees are truly in great shape.  I just want the team to enjoy the consistency that other top clubs have at QB, because we arguably have the rest of the pieces to win now.

@"Bullazin" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said: the way im thinking about it is this.  You can bring back Keenum or Bradford for 15 - 18 million or Foles and Sheldon Richardson for one year at roughly the same money. Makes a very alluring one year window. 

you can fit richardson in with bradford and a solid #2 and still have your #2 draft pick for an even bigger window.  I will take a risk with Sam over Foles and not having that #2 pick.   if we want to avoid a shit team window in the near future we cant keep trading away higher round draft picks... especially when we are already drafting at the backs of the rounds.

Right but your scenario costs 10 million more. I am as tired of giving up high picks as anyone, but this window wont last long and you can still extend Foles, hes already earned it.   

Barr, Waynes, Kendricks, are all gonna get paid soon, and not all of them by us. we may have to lean on Mac Alexander and Ben Gedeon more than we want but thats the nature of a salary cap. 

I WANT Teddy, but thats just the fan in me. im starting to lean Cousins logically

@"TBro" said: I would much rather sign Keenum than trade for Foles who was on the verge of retirement. After winning the Super Bowl at 35, how much drive does he really have left to do that all over with a new team? He put together back to back career games that the Vikings and Patriots did not seem prepared for with the RPO that Pederson masterminded. The stars were aligned for him, but I don't think it's repeatable and the Eagles need to make sure Wentz is 100% to start the season. 

@"silverjoel" said:

@"TBro" said: I would much rather sign Keenum than trade for Foles who was on the verge of retirement. After winning the Super Bowl at 35, how much drive does he really have left to do that all over with a new team? He put together back to back career games that the Vikings and Patriots did not seem prepared for with the RPO that Pederson masterminded. The stars were aligned for him, but I don't think it's repeatable and the Eagles need to make sure Wentz is 100% to start the season. 

Foles turned 29 yo about a month ago.  Where is 35 coming from?  He was drafted in 2012, same year as Cousins and Keenum (undrafted).

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"silverjoel" said:

@"TBro" said: I would much rather sign Keenum than trade for Foles who was on the verge of retirement. After winning the Super Bowl at 35, how much drive does he really have left to do that all over with a new team? He put together back to back career games that the Vikings and Patriots did not seem prepared for with the RPO that Pederson masterminded. The stars were aligned for him, but I don't think it's repeatable and the Eagles need to make sure Wentz is 100% to start the season. 

Foles turned 29 yo about a month ago.  Where is 35 coming from?  He was drafted in 2012, same year as Cousins and Keenum (undrafted).

honestly i didnt look,  i was just going off what TBro mentioned.

either way I would not be trading for him.  he is a great back up option, and even a low level starter IMO,  but i wouldnt give up a 2nd round pick for him at this point. 

@"JimmyinSD" said: uhm no..... check that... fuck no.  while yes foles is marginally better than Case talent wise,  IMO you dont spend a 2nd round draft pick on a guy that is only under contract for 1 year and then put you right back in the same situation you are currently in.   

@"silverjoel" said:

@"TBro" said: I would much rather sign Keenum than trade for Foles who was on the verge of retirement. After winning the Super Bowl at 35, how much drive does he really have left to do that all over with a new team? He put together back to back career games that the Vikings and Patriots did not seem prepared for with the RPO that Pederson masterminded. The stars were aligned for him, but I don't think it's repeatable and the Eagles need to make sure Wentz is 100% to start the season. 

Foles turned 29 yo about a month ago.  Where is 35 coming from?  He was drafted in 2012, same year as Cousins and Keenum (undrafted).

Foles had great protection. A lot of QB's can play well with a very good O-line; including those already on the roster. I think they will sign one of the three they already have, unless Cousins gives them a reasonable discount. But I don't see that happening.

@"TBro" said: I would much rather sign Keenum than trade for Foles who was on the verge of retirement. After winning the Super Bowl at 35, how much drive does he really have left to do that all over with a new team? He put together back to back career games that the Vikings and Patriots did not seem prepared for with the RPO that Pederson masterminded. The stars were aligned for him, but I don't think it's repeatable and the Eagles need to make sure Wentz is 100% to start the season. 

Eagles changed their offense to fit him, teams had no film on that.  Barely beat the Falcons at home, then started surging against us and the Pats. 

He is talented enough to start, but as Jimmy said NFW we waste a 2nd round pick on a 1 year starter with little upside.

@"greediron" said:

@"TBro" said: I would much rather sign Keenum than trade for Foles who was on the verge of retirement. After winning the Super Bowl at 35, how much drive does he really have left to do that all over with a new team? He put together back to back career games that the Vikings and Patriots did not seem prepared for with the RPO that Pederson masterminded. The stars were aligned for him, but I don't think it's repeatable and the Eagles need to make sure Wentz is 100% to start the season. 

Exactly.  If we wonder about Case being a 1 year wonder, what about Foles and the 6 week wonder?

Eagles changed their offense to fit him, teams had no film on that.  Barely beat the Falcons at home, then started surging against us and the Pats. 

He is talented enough to start, but as Jimmy said NFW we waste a 2nd round pick on a 1 year starter with little upside.

We're not trading for Nick Foles, good grief.

Stupid article. 

@"silverjoel" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"TBro" said: I would much rather sign Keenum than trade for Foles who was on the verge of retirement. After winning the Super Bowl at 35, how much drive does he really have left to do that all over with a new team? He put together back to back career games that the Vikings and Patriots did not seem prepared for with the RPO that Pederson masterminded. The stars were aligned for him, but I don't think it's repeatable and the Eagles need to make sure Wentz is 100% to start the season. 

Exactly.  If we wonder about Case being a 1 year wonder, what about Foles and the 6 week wonder?

Eagles changed their offense to fit him, teams had no film on that.  Barely beat the Falcons at home, then started surging against us and the Pats. 

He is talented enough to start, but as Jimmy said NFW we waste a 2nd round pick on a 1 year starter with little upside.

Foles has one of the best seasons at QB ever in 2013 (3rd best passer rating in a season ever).  The best TD to INT ratio in a season in the history of the NFL that year (27-2).  It's not like last year was completely out of nowhere.  I am by no means advocating for him, but he could still be a viable starter for a team.  He took being traded to the Rams pretty hard.  

I don't think the Eagles are going to trade him as Wentz is probably going to miss some time at the start of the season.  

I read that Wentz’s injury was pretty severe, ACL+2, meaning he tore 3 ligaments, the article said he will probably have to wear a knee brace for the duration of his career. His return date for the start of next season is in question. The Eagles would be foolish to trade him under these circumstances.

@"Kentis" said: I read that Wentz’s injury was pretty severe, ACL+2, meaning he tore 3 ligaments, the article said he will probably have to wear a knee brace for the duration of his career. His return date for the start of next season is in question. The Eagles would be foolish to trade him under these circumstances.

I really doubt Foles is leaving Philly before next season.  When his contract is up, I don't think it will be hard for him to again find starting gig somewhere