Best (and most likely) possible outcome of the Vikings’ quarterback situation?
http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2018/02/best-likely-possible-outcome-vikings-quarterback-situation/
Last week, MMQB’s Peter King wrote his potential landing spots for
every free agent quarterback. For the Minnesota Vikings, King projected
that Teddy Bridgewater and Case Keenum will both be on the roster when
2018 opens. But that’s far from the only possibility. So let’s have a
look at five potential quarterback scenarios for the Vikings…
Teddy Bridgewater-Josh McCown
Pluses:
If the Vikings make Bridgewater their set-in-stone starter heading
into camp, that means they are highly confident in his health. They have
more information about his status than any other team or anyone on the
outside and have seen him practice from October to the end of the
season. Bridgewater would find himself a much better situation than the
one he last had in 2015 with two elite receivers, an improved offensive
line and a top-notch all-around running back.
McCown played well for the New York Jets last season after winning
their starting job in camp. He had similar numbers to Case Keenum with a
94.5 rating and an adjusted completion percentage on deep passes that
only trails Drew Brees among free agents. If the Vikings had to turn
things over to McCown, they could still remain competitive so long as
Mike Zimmer’s defense is elite again. McCown would also be OK with a
backup job at age 39 and he has previous experience working with John
DeFilippo.
Drawbacks:
While he’s played well at times, it would be a lot to ask McCown to
lead the Vikings anywhere if Bridgewater got hurt or struggled mightily.
No matter how much the Vikings have seen in practice, it’s difficult to
project whether Bridgewater will return to the form of late 2015 and
preseason 2016, in which the team believed he would take the next step
toward becoming a top-notch QB. There’s a chance the Vikings could end
up back at square one.
Why it’s the best outcome: Bridgewater still has a
ceiling to reach. He’s already proven that he can win. If he comes back
healthy, the Vikings could very well have their QB for the next decade.
In the worst case scenario, McCown gives them a chance to compete.
Odds of it happening: Very high
@"pumpf" said: I don't know why Bradford + Teddy would be financially difficult. Neither is going to get "much" on the open market. Sam has high upside- but is a huge risk. Teddy has potential- but also more risk. I can't imagine that any team is going to pay them to become starters. So now you've got 2 back-ups (in terms of salary) competing for a starting job. I would think that some combination of $25 million (or less) would get both of them- and we'd still have Sloter. That is... if the team wanted both of them.I fear we would just have 2 backup QBs. Here's the lesson I took from the Vikings' experience in this season's playoffs: we built a "surrounding cast" team and it was only good enough to get us TO the playoffs, no further. Routed in the NFCCG and could/should have been one-and-done. We need top-15 QB play to contend. But some people still think the supporting cast is so good we can win with a backup QB? OK... Hmm, there's a top 15 QB available and we have cap space to outbid his other suitors. But some think we should insist on that QB taking a discounted salary because playing here will be such a privilege? Save $3-5M of the Wilfs' money so that we can...what? Make Danielle Hunter the highest-paid DE in the NFL next year while playing for an 11-5 wildcard team??
its funny how most were excited for 2016 and what the future held with Teddy as our franchise QB... then Teddy got hurt and we got Sam and he played exceptional in 2016 and all we heard was how great it was to have 2 franchise QBs... now they are considered back up QBs?
@"JimmyinSD" said: its funny how most were excited for 2016 and what the future held with Teddy as our franchise QB... then Teddy got hurt and we got Sam and he played exceptional in 2016 and all we heard was how great it was to have 2 franchise QBs... now they are considered back up QBs?IMO Bradford is brittle and depending on him would be crazy. IMO Bridgewater might be just as bad physically, and the hope of early 2016 was based on extrapolating that he would continue improving his game. Now his development was interrupted by 2 years without game play and an injury that might have altered his throwing mechanics. Two years have passed, the situation changed, and we learned more. Updating your opinions with more current information is a good thing, not a character flaw.
@"Jor-El" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: its funny how most were excited for 2016 and what the future held with Teddy as our franchise QB... then Teddy got hurt and we got Sam and he played exceptional in 2016 and all we heard was how great it was to have 2 franchise QBs... now they are considered back up QBs? IMO Bradford is brittle and depending on him would be crazy. IMO Bridgewater might be just as bad physically, and the hope of early 2016 was based on extrapolating that he would continue improving his game. Now his development was interrupted by 2 years without game play and an injury that might have altered his throwing mechanics. Two years have passed, the situation changed, and we learned more. Updating your opinions with more current information is a good thing, not a character flaw.
but you have no current information on Teddy. you are using assumption that is really tainted bias, and ignoring all the positives that have been coming from those that actually have real first hand information in the coaches and teammates.as far as Sam being brittle, we were all waiting for him to get broken in 16 behind that mess of line and he played every snap IIRC. yes he has missed 3 seasons so he should certainly not be without a solid #2, but he is definitely more than a back up QB.
@"Jor-El" said:@"pumpf" said: I don't know why Bradford + Teddy would be financially difficult. Neither is going to get "much" on the open market. Sam has high upside- but is a huge risk. Teddy has potential- but also more risk. I can't imagine that any team is going to pay them to become starters. So now you've got 2 back-ups (in terms of salary) competing for a starting job. I would think that some combination of $25 million (or less) would get both of them- and we'd still have Sloter. That is... if the team wanted both of them. I fear we would just have 2 backup QBs. Here's the lesson I took from the Vikings' experience in this season's playoffs: we built a "surrounding cast" team and it was only good enough to get us TO the playoffs, no further. Routed in the NFCCG and could/should have been one-and-done. We need top-15 QB play to contend. But some people still think the supporting cast is so good we can win with a backup QB? OK... Hmm, there's a top 15 QB available and we have cap space to outbid his other suitors. But some think we should insist on that QB taking a discounted salary because playing here will be such a privilege? Save $3-5M of the Wilfs' money so that we can...what? Make Danielle Hunter the highest-paid DE in the NFL next year while playing for an 11-5 wildcard team??
And how some assume a top 15 QB that racked up stats playing for a bad team will automatically make the seamless transfer to another team.
@"StickyBun" said: Bradford/Sloter? I'm starting to bump this up the reality scale personally.I was thinking the same thing while reading through this thread. I have a feeling Sloter is going to be the backup regardless of who they sign as the starter.
@"1VikesFan" said:As much as I like Sloter, I think it would be pretty foolish to count on him as QB2 two years removed from playing WR. 2019, maybe. But not next year.@"StickyBun" said: Bradford/Sloter? I'm starting to bump this up the reality scale personally. I was thinking the same thing while reading through this thread. I have a feeling Sloter is going to be the backup regardless of who they sign as the starter.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"1VikesFan" said:As much as I like Sloter, I think it would be pretty foolish to count on him as QB2 two years removed from playing WR. 2019, maybe. But not next year.@"StickyBun" said: Bradford/Sloter? I'm starting to bump this up the reality scale personally. I was thinking the same thing while reading through this thread. I have a feeling Sloter is going to be the backup regardless of who they sign as the starter.He was a top QB recruit in HS who was recruited to Southern Miss as a QB, coaching changes led to him transferring, he played WR for season then went back to QB. So it's not like he is a converted WR laying QB he WAS a converted QB playing WR. It sounds like he has the head/mind of a QB which is 50% of the battle(heart and arm talent the remaining).
Worthwhile read:
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2017/4/10/15237358/2017-nfl-draft-a-diamond-qb-in-the-rough-northern-colorados-kyle-sloter-a-game-changer-steelers
@"NodakViking" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"1VikesFan" said:As much as I like Sloter, I think it would be pretty foolish to count on him as QB2 two years removed from playing WR. 2019, maybe. But not next year.@"StickyBun" said: Bradford/Sloter? I'm starting to bump this up the reality scale personally. I was thinking the same thing while reading through this thread. I have a feeling Sloter is going to be the backup regardless of who they sign as the starter.He was a top QB recruit in HS who was recruited to Southern Miss as a QB, coaching changes led to him transferring, he played WR for season then went back to QB. So it's not like he is a converted WR laying QB he WAS a converted QB playing WR. It sounds like he has the head/mind of a QB which is 50% of the battle(heart and arm talent the remaining).
Worthwhile read:
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2017/4/10/15237358/2017-nfl-draft-a-diamond-qb-in-the-rough-northern-colorados-kyle-sloter-a-game-changer-steelers
Oh I know. Trust me he's been on my radar since before the draft. One of the few media scouts I actually sorta trust, Dave Te Thomas, wouldn't shut up about him. I'm just saying he's raw. He's a helluva developmental prospect. I just think he probably needs another year.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"NodakViking" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"1VikesFan" said:As much as I like Sloter, I think it would be pretty foolish to count on him as QB2 two years removed from playing WR. 2019, maybe. But not next year.@"StickyBun" said: Bradford/Sloter? I'm starting to bump this up the reality scale personally. I was thinking the same thing while reading through this thread. I have a feeling Sloter is going to be the backup regardless of who they sign as the starter.He was a top QB recruit in HS who was recruited to Southern Miss as a QB, coaching changes led to him transferring, he played WR for season then went back to QB. So it's not like he is a converted WR laying QB he WAS a converted QB playing WR. It sounds like he has the head/mind of a QB which is 50% of the battle(heart and arm talent the remaining).
Worthwhile read:
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2017/4/10/15237358/2017-nfl-draft-a-diamond-qb-in-the-rough-northern-colorados-kyle-sloter-a-game-changer-steelers
Oh I know. Trust me he's been on my radar since before the draft. One of the few media scouts I actually sorta trust, Dave Te Thomas, wouldn't shut up about him. I'm just saying he's raw. He's a helluva developmental prospect. I just think he probably needs another year.I agree, one or two more years but depending on who the other two are he could be a #2, they ran with him in that role for a half dozen games this year.
@"NodakViking" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"NodakViking" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"1VikesFan" said:As much as I like Sloter, I think it would be pretty foolish to count on him as QB2 two years removed from playing WR. 2019, maybe. But not next year.@"StickyBun" said: Bradford/Sloter? I'm starting to bump this up the reality scale personally. I was thinking the same thing while reading through this thread. I have a feeling Sloter is going to be the backup regardless of who they sign as the starter.He was a top QB recruit in HS who was recruited to Southern Miss as a QB, coaching changes led to him transferring, he played WR for season then went back to QB. So it's not like he is a converted WR laying QB he WAS a converted QB playing WR. It sounds like he has the head/mind of a QB which is 50% of the battle(heart and arm talent the remaining).
Worthwhile read:
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2017/4/10/15237358/2017-nfl-draft-a-diamond-qb-in-the-rough-northern-colorados-kyle-sloter-a-game-changer-steelers
Oh I know. Trust me he's been on my radar since before the draft. One of the few media scouts I actually sorta trust, Dave Te Thomas, wouldn't shut up about him. I'm just saying he's raw. He's a helluva developmental prospect. I just think he probably needs another year.I agree, one or two more years but depending on who the other two are he could be a #2, they ran with him in that role for a half dozen games this year.
I have to wonder how viable he is if he isnt ready to be a #2 by this coming year. if there is any chance of him being a#1 in 19 I would expect him to be able to start filling in to close out games and pick up a start here or there as needed. I dont think it would be ideal to see him as season long replacement like Case was, but typical #2 duties shouldnt be to much to expect should it?
I'm thinking in Sam's case, he's past 30, been around the league, made a ton of cash. At this point if you're him what you want is to play for a winner and I'm sure he's made it known to the team he'd like to stay. Bradford/McCown/Sloter might be the ticket.
@"comet52" said: I'm thinking in Sam's case, he's past 30, been around the league, made a ton of cash. At this point if you're him what you want is to play for a winner and I'm sure he's made it known to the team he'd like to stay. Bradford/McCown/Sloter might be the ticket.He's definitely made it known he doesn't want to leave minny.
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