Franchise and trade Case?
Hard to see it happening, but this would be just about the perfect scenario.
http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2018/02/vikings-franchise-tag-trade-case-keenum/
Imagine a world where NFL analysts debated whether the New England Patriots should keep Matt Cassel and trade Tom Brady.
It happened.
Following a 10-5 season with 21 touchdowns, 11 interceptions and an 89.4 rating filling in for Brady, there was a case to turn the Patriots’ franchise over to Cassel.
Instead Bill Belichick chose to stick with Brady and deal Cassel to the Kansas City Chiefs.
One thing happened first: The Patriots franchise tagged Cassel, who was set to hit the free agent market. Then the Chiefs sent the 34th overall pick and linebacker Mike Vrabel to the Pats.
The Minnesota Vikings could follow the same path with Case Keenum.
Filling in for Sam Bradford, Keenum went 12-3 with 22 touchdowns, seven interceptions and a 98.3 rating.
Especially if Washington franchise tags Kirk Cousins with the intention to deal him – which ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported as a possibility – Keenum could present an option at a lower asking price for quarterback-desperate teams.
Last week, Bleacher Report draft writer Matt Miller noted that the Denver Broncos “like” Keenum. The Arizona Cardinals do not have a starting QB. The Jacksonville Jaguars, Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins also might end up looking for a quarterback as well.
The Vikings would have to sacrifice a 2019 compensatory pick that would come along with Keenum, but the highest compensation Minnesota could receiving for Keenum leaving in free agency is a third-round pick.
If they received better than a third-round pick, dealing Keenum would be a worthwhile venture as long as the Vikings are confident in whatever other option they have at quarterback, whether that be Teddy Bridgewater, Cousins or someone else.
Keeping Keenum on the franchise tag would make sense even if the Vikings would prefer Bridgewater simply due to the questions about Bridgewater’s surgically-repaired knee. But the Vikings may be able to find a No. 2 like Josh McCown who could lead the team in similar fashion to Keenum in case Bridgewater went down or wasn’t back to 2015 form.
What could the potential return be for Keenum? Washington dealt a third-round pick and a very good cornerback for Alex Smith. The Patriots got a second-round pick for Jimmy Garoppolo. The price for Keenum would likely be similar.
The Vikings could tag Keenum and then wait to see how training camp plays out much like the Philadelphia Eagles did with Sam Bradford in 2016. It would be an option to hold a quarterback competition between Bridgewater and Keenum and wait to see if another team’s quarterback gets hurt in training camp or preseason before moving the loser of the competition.
The Vikings will have to make a decision on tagging Keenum by the deadline March 6.
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interesting, but i think keenum would sign for 25 mil so fast the pen would catch on fire
Hmmm...
...I just saw that article, it's an interesting premise....
Josh McCown in Purple? Let me wrap my brain around that....
Couldn't Keenum just refuse to sign the contract and be untradeable as a result? I have a feeling, he will want to determine where he goes.
@"PurplePastor" said: Couldn't Keenum just refuse to sign the contract and be untradeable as a result? I have a feeling, he will want to determine where he goes.I believe the team would own his rights according to the franchise tag.
I have been saying the Vikings should Franchise him instead of signing him to a multi-year deal, especially if Teddy will be under the last year of his rookie contract for 2018 due to the tolling issue.
I could absolutely see this happening...But then I'd place my $ on him being here next season and not necessarily traded.
And this is EXACTLY why we can never have anything nice...
Considering that the Vikings already anticipated spending franchise tag numbers on a QB this year, tagging Case and keeping him might be a more palatable option...after watching what the Eagles got out of Foles, I'm pretty confident Flipper can build on what Shurmur coaxed out of Kennum...
@"BarrNone55" said: Considering that the Vikings already anticipated spending franchise tag numbers on a QB this year, tagging Case and keeping him might be a more palatable option...after watching what the Eagles got out of Foles, I'm pretty confident Flipper can build on what Shurmur coaxed out of Kennum...I'm not as confident, he will likely help his game, but I don't see Case excelling in the RPO. His lack of arm strength and at times inability to see and throw his reciever open makes me question his fit in that scheme.
@"BarrNone55" said: Considering that the Vikings already anticipated spending franchise tag numbers on a QB this year, tagging Case and keeping him might be a more palatable option...after watching what the Eagles got out of Foles, I'm pretty confident Flipper can build on what Shurmur coaxed out of Kennum...Agreed. I dont think its to crazy to think Keenum could improve over last year.
I'd have more confidence going into next season with Case/Sloter than Bridgewater/Sloter, just because Teddy is such an unknown now. 2 seasons of not playing is forever.
if they franchise and pay Case the QB franchise tag, ill have to reconsider any high praise i have for Zim or Rick
id feel the same way if they did that with any of our three qbs. nobodies trading for them at franchise rate, so inevitably we would be paying franchise price to qbs that arent franchise (teddy is only one with time to possijly beckme franchise, but his leg)
i liked Teddy they most, but if we are paying over 20 mil to qb, it should be Kirk Cousins. he has been consistent, healthy, and seems to be a good guy. maybe a little too likely for a pick 6 though
@"Vikeking2" said: i liked Teddy they most, but if we are paying over 20 mil to qb, it should be Kirk Cousins. he has been consistent, healthy, and seems to be a good guy. maybe a little too likely for a pick 6 thoughthats how I feel on it. I think anything 25 and up is to much for cousins, i just dont see that caliber of player in him, but if we are hell bent on spending over 20 on a Qb, spend the little extra and try to get cousins at 24 instead of case at 22. if cousins really wants to come to a solid team instead of top dollar, let him prove it.
@"SFVikingFan" said: And this is EXACTLY why we can never have anything nice...That's what some people were saying when the Patriots franchised and traded Matt Cassel.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/85323-the-new-england-patriots-should-keep-matt-cassel-over-tom-brady
One thing I would say about this franchise and trade idea is that Keenum won't bring us much as the Patriots got for Matt Cassel (a 2nd round pick).
I think everything in sports decision making is about perception of value and potential. Keenum had a better year statistically than Cassel, but previously played on 4 teams in 5 seasons without ever giving anyone the belief that he could be anything more than a very capable #2. The fact that he suddenly exploded on a team with an extremely good supporting cast will (and should) raise a lot of question marks among NFL teams, just as it has with several of us on this board. That degree of doubt does not work in our favor in terms of trade value.
Cassel was a different situation. He was drafted and developed by the Patriots. He spent 4 seasons learning from Tom Brady. He too had a great season in relief, but the perception of his value/potential was that the Patriots "did it again." Because there was nothing to really argue against it.
In retrospect it looks like the Pats fleeced the Chiefs, but it was an understandable gamble on greatness. When context is objectively considered about Keenum (pedigree, history, supporting cast), it's much harder to make an argument that he is a QB on the verge of greatness.
@"MaroonBells" said: One thing I would say about this franchise and trade idea is that Keenum won't bring us much as the Patriots got for Matt Cassel (a 2nd round pick).I think everything in sports decision making is about perception of value and potential. Keenum had a better year statistically than Cassel, but previously played on 4 teams in 5 seasons without ever giving anyone the belief that he could be anything more than a very capable #2. The fact that he suddenly exploded on a team with an extremely good supporting cast will (and should) raise a lot of question marks among NFL teams, just as it has with several of us on this board. That degree of doubt does not work in our favor in terms of trade value.
Cassel was a different situation. He was drafted and developed by the Patriots. He spent 4 seasons learning from Tom Brady. He too had a great season in relief, but the perception of his value/potential was that the Patriots "did it again." Because there was nothing to really argue against it.
In retrospect it looks like the Pats fleeced the Chiefs, but it was an understandable gamble on greatness. When context is objectively considered about Keenum (pedigree, history, supporting cast), it's much harder to make an argument that he is a QB on the verge of greatness.
i tend to agree, i dont see us getting a 2nd or higher for Case coming off a career high year considering his resume and then the team having to pay him 22 million. the only way I could see this going is if a team were to approach the Vikes and say they want first shot at him, but I think there will be enough potential veteran QBs on the market that no one team is going to get this desperate. we would be better off not taking the gamble and hoping to net a 3rd round compensatory pick for him.
@"MaroonBells" said: One thing I would say about this franchise and trade idea is that Keenum won't bring us much as the Patriots got for Matt Cassel (a 2nd round pick).I think everything in sports decision making is about perception of value and potential. Keenum had a better year statistically than Cassel, but previously played on 4 teams in 5 seasons without ever giving anyone the belief that he could be anything more than a very capable #2. The fact that he suddenly exploded on a team with an extremely good supporting cast will (and should) raise a lot of question marks among NFL teams, just as it has with several of us on this board. That degree of doubt does not work in our favor in terms of trade value.
Cassel was a different situation. He was drafted and developed by the Patriots. He spent 4 seasons learning from Tom Brady. He too had a great season in relief, but the perception of his value/potential was that the Patriots "did it again." Because there was nothing to really argue against it.
In retrospect it looks like the Pats fleeced the Chiefs, but it was an understandable gamble on greatness. When context is objectively considered about Keenum (pedigree, history, supporting cast), it's much harder to make an argument that he is a QB on the verge of greatness.
I could see a team like Cleveland willing to give up a 2nd for Case to use him as a bridge between their QB of the future and now. If the Vikings don't want to sign Case to a multi-year deal, that is likely a concern for others teams as well. The easiest way they'd be able to sign Case on a one year deal is via the tag.
But ultimately I still think it'd be hard to facilitate a tag & trade without another QB on the roster. In all likelihood the Vikings transition tag Case since that eliminates the chance they will be left with nobody.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"MaroonBells" said: One thing I would say about this franchise and trade idea is that Keenum won't bring us much as the Patriots got for Matt Cassel (a 2nd round pick).I think everything in sports decision making is about perception of value and potential. Keenum had a better year statistically than Cassel, but previously played on 4 teams in 5 seasons without ever giving anyone the belief that he could be anything more than a very capable #2. The fact that he suddenly exploded on a team with an extremely good supporting cast will (and should) raise a lot of question marks among NFL teams, just as it has with several of us on this board. That degree of doubt does not work in our favor in terms of trade value.
Cassel was a different situation. He was drafted and developed by the Patriots. He spent 4 seasons learning from Tom Brady. He too had a great season in relief, but the perception of his value/potential was that the Patriots "did it again." Because there was nothing to really argue against it.
In retrospect it looks like the Pats fleeced the Chiefs, but it was an understandable gamble on greatness. When context is objectively considered about Keenum (pedigree, history, supporting cast), it's much harder to make an argument that he is a QB on the verge of greatness.
I could see a team like Cleveland willing to give up a 2nd for Case to use him as a bridge between their QB of the future and now. If the Vikings don't want to sign Case to a multi-year deal, that is likely a concern for others teams as well. The easiest way they'd be able to sign Case on a one year deal is via the tag.But ultimately I still think it'd be hard to facilitate a tag & trade without another QB on the roster. In all likelihood the Vikings transition tag Case since that eliminates the chance they will be left with nobody.
Valid point. But I would be shocked if we were left with nobody. The one thing going for the Vikings is that we would be the top choice for all three of the QBs. Four if you include Cousins.If the Vikings tagged and traded Case, then that would merely up the ante with the other two, but still would be much cheaper than Keenum's tag. If they go down that road, the Vikings may have to play a little game of chicken here.
Lets say that we want Cousins and he's going to cost $25-30M or whatever. Now we tag Keenum. Can we still get Cousins before we trade Keenum? What happens if no one wants to trade for Keenum or if the trade partner backs out?
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