Stefanski blocked by Vikings for Giants OC position

After surviving like a cockroach through multiple regimes, he should feel a sense of loyalty to the team. He could have just as easily been kicked to the curb with Chilly and been an analyst in Cleveland, which could have lead to a career mired in despair and repair. As it stands, he now has a name, and it's a matter of time before he takes his next step  up the coaching ladder. If he has to endure another year or so in Minnesota to provide a us with a little stability or possibly bide his time until the coord. job here is his, so be it. 

Wow,  this seems odd unless he didn't really want to go to NY.

@"JimmyinSD" said: Wow,  this seems odd unless he didn't really want to go to NY.

Maybe Flipper won't be around for too long...

http://www.startribune.com/if-john-defilippo-brings-vikings-quarterback-stability-his-stay-in-minnesota-may-not-last-long/473702633/

OK, here's what I think. Vikings wouldn't do this without the approval of Kevin Stefanski. Just isn't their style. I suspect they've approached Stefanski and told him that they want him to stay, that it's very likely Flip will only be here for a year, and they would love nothing more than to promote him to OC in Minnesota when Flip leaves for an HC job.

For Stefanski, who's been in Minnesota for 12 years (I don't know but that might be some kind of record for an assistant coach--it's a damn long time), and may have sunk roots here, kids in school, etc., that could be appealing. And then you have the whole Giants vs. Vikings thing. Under Shurmur, does he even call the plays? Probably not. In Minnesota, if he can wait a year, he'll be THE guy...just like Flip before him. 

@"MaroonBells" said: OK, here's what I think. Vikings wouldn't do this without the approval of Kevin Stefanski. Just isn't their style. I suspect they've approached Stefanski and told him that they want him to stay, that it's very likely Flip will only be here for a year, and they would love nothing more than to promote him to OC in Minnesota when Flip leaves for an HC job.

For Stefanski, who's been in Minnesota for 12 years (I don't know but that might be some kind of record for an assistant coach--it's a damn long time), and may have sunk roots here, kids in school, etc., that could be appealing. And then you have the whole Giants vs. Vikings thing. Under Shurmur, does he even call the plays? Probably not. In Minnesota, if he can wait a year, he'll be THE guy...just like Flip before him. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: OK, here's what I think. Vikings wouldn't do this without the approval of Kevin Stefanski. Just isn't their style. I suspect they've approached Stefanski and told him that they want him to stay, that it's very likely Flip will only be here for a year, and they would love nothing more than to promote him to OC in Minnesota when Flip leaves for an HC job.

For Stefanski, who's been in Minnesota for 12 years (I don't know but that might be some kind of record for an assistant coach--it's a damn long time), and may have sunk roots here, kids in school, etc., that could be appealing. And then you have the whole Giants vs. Vikings thing. Under Shurmur, does he even call the plays? Probably not. In Minnesota, if he can wait a year, he'll be THE guy...just like Flip before him. 

This is pretty much my thoughts exactly. It's like we share a brain... I bet that scares the shit out you to hear that doesn't it?   :p

I agree that Stefanski is probably on board with the decision and it's completely outside of the organizations character to block someone from progressing their career.  I'm just not sure I believe the Vikings think this is a 1 and done year for Flip.  We'll now be on to OC number 3 in 3 years the way it is.  If Flip was the best OC candidate available, but they expect him to leave after next season, I don't see why they wouldn't just have Sefanski take over the roll now.  Why set yourself up for 4 OC's in 4 years, when you have Stefanski already on board, with a far better chance at coaching stability going forward?  Another system to learn, new terminology to learn, new everything yet again, just to do it again next year?  That doesn't exactly seem like a great management decision to me.  

@"TBro" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: OK, here's what I think. Vikings wouldn't do this without the approval of Kevin Stefanski. Just isn't their style. I suspect they've approached Stefanski and told him that they want him to stay, that it's very likely Flip will only be here for a year, and they would love nothing more than to promote him to OC in Minnesota when Flip leaves for an HC job.

For Stefanski, who's been in Minnesota for 12 years (I don't know but that might be some kind of record for an assistant coach--it's a damn long time), and may have sunk roots here, kids in school, etc., that could be appealing. And then you have the whole Giants vs. Vikings thing. Under Shurmur, does he even call the plays? Probably not. In Minnesota, if he can wait a year, he'll be THE guy...just like Flip before him. 

This is pretty much my thoughts exactly. It's like we share a brain... I bet that scares the shit out you to hear that doesn't it?   :p

I agree with both of you except why would they need to block him if he was on board with their succession plan to take over for Defilippo?

@"AllBS" said: I agree that Stefanski is probably on board with the decision and it's completely outside of the organizations character to block someone from progressing their career.  I'm just not sure I believe the Vikings think this is a 1 and done year for Flip.  We'll now be on to OC number 3 in 3 years the way it is.  If Flip was the best OC candidate available, but they expect him to leave after next season, I don't see why they wouldn't just have Sefanski take over the roll now.  Why set yourself up for 4 OC's in 4 years, when you have Stefanski already on board, with a far better chance at coaching stability going forward?  Another system to learn, new terminology to learn, new everything yet again, just to do it again next year?  That doesn't exactly seem like a great management decision to me.  

@"TBro" said:

@"AllBS" said: I agree that Stefanski is probably on board with the decision and it's completely outside of the organizations character to block someone from progressing their career.  I'm just not sure I believe the Vikings think this is a 1 and done year for Flip.  We'll now be on to OC number 3 in 3 years the way it is.  If Flip was the best OC candidate available, but they expect him to leave after next season, I don't see why they wouldn't just have Sefanski take over the roll now.  Why set yourself up for 4 OC's in 4 years, when you have Stefanski already on board, with a far better chance at coaching stability going forward?  Another system to learn, new terminology to learn, new everything yet again, just to do it again next year?  That doesn't exactly seem like a great management decision to me.  

Maybe the plan is even bigger than what we are thinking. Maybe Zimmer doesn't have any intention of coaching past his contract so he can retire, and Defilippo would be his successor and Stefanski will then take over as OC. Realistically, our window to win it all will be in the next 2 years with the group we have. 

It could be very beneficial to Stefanski's development as a coach.  He will have worked with some pretty impressive coaches in his time in MN(at least league perception wise) with Childress, Bevell, Turner, Shurmur etc.  Having survived al the changes he obviously has an impressive personality and coaching ability so using that exposure to make his own system/name/style could pay long term dividends.  Career arc wise a jump to OC this year would have been pretty impressive/aggressive.

I have to think his family having roots here combined with some longer range plan for him with the team would make this a good move for both parties, it doesn't look good for him or Shurmur if he refuses and interview so this is a good way to take a mulligan if you aren't ready to make the move.  I could see Filippo moving on in a year or two which could end up a good fit for Stefanski at that time and some great experience in the meantime while his family gets to stay in MN and not in NYC.

Now just solve the QB issue asap.

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"TBro" said:

@"AllBS" said: I agree that Stefanski is probably on board with the decision and it's completely outside of the organizations character to block someone from progressing their career.  I'm just not sure I believe the Vikings think this is a 1 and done year for Flip.  We'll now be on to OC number 3 in 3 years the way it is.  If Flip was the best OC candidate available, but they expect him to leave after next season, I don't see why they wouldn't just have Sefanski take over the roll now.  Why set yourself up for 4 OC's in 4 years, when you have Stefanski already on board, with a far better chance at coaching stability going forward?  Another system to learn, new terminology to learn, new everything yet again, just to do it again next year?  That doesn't exactly seem like a great management decision to me.  

Maybe the plan is even bigger than what we are thinking. Maybe Zimmer doesn't have any intention of coaching past his contract so he can retire, and Defilippo would be his successor and Stefanski will then take over as OC. Realistically, our window to win it all will be in the next 2 years with the group we have. 

I don't see Zimmer going anywhere soon but I do think that for whatever reason Stefanski wanted to stay put.  By having the team deny the interview it takes the heat off him.  DeFilippo had the same thing happen to him last year with the Eagles and Jets.  It didn't seem to bother him a bit.

I could be wrong but I think we are a long ways from Zimmer and Spielman being shown the door.  I guess a lot can happen in two years though, I guess we'll see.

Stefanski has to think that one way or the other the OC job is likely to open again as soon as next year.  If flipper is as good as advertised he will be goes for a HC gig,  if he doesn't push the O to a new level Zim may decide that he made the wrong move and let Flipper move on and Stefanski gets his shot.

@"JimmyinSD" said: Wow,  this seems odd unless he didn't really want to go to NY.

Ultimately, the Vikings haven't done anything other than win a playoff game on a miracle at home and get trounced by another team. I'd like to see some consistency this year and make the playoffs again before I start worrying about a guy being an OC one-and-done. 

Last year was really fun, but we aren't talking the Patriots here. The Vikings have a bunch to prove yet and you can look at the volatility of the NFL year to year to be concerned that Minnesota could take a step back in 2018. Its not out of the question. They need to make the right decision at QB, have that guy perform and get incrementally better. 

@"AllBS" said: I agree that Stefanski is probably on board with the decision and it's completely outside of the organizations character to block someone from progressing their career.  I'm just not sure I believe the Vikings think this is a 1 and done year for Flip.  We'll now be on to OC number 3 in 3 years the way it is.  If Flip was the best OC candidate available, but they expect him to leave after next season, I don't see why they wouldn't just have Sefanski take over the roll now.  Why set yourself up for 4 OC's in 4 years, when you have Stefanski already on board, with a far better chance at coaching stability going forward?  Another system to learn, new terminology to learn, new everything yet again, just to do it again next year?  That doesn't exactly seem like a great management decision to me.  

I would be shocked if Flip were here for more than 1 year. Vikings know that it wasn't Shurmur that made this offense run. It wasn't Case or Diggs or Thielen or Reiff or anyone else. It was a combination of all of them. 

Take Shurmur out and replace him with Flip, add in a little Cook.  If the Vikings get the QB right and can avoid too many injuries, their offense should be even better next year and that will write Flip's ticket whether he deserves it or not. 

When Zim came over from Cincy he promised Marvin he wouldn’t take his guys, perhaps Shurmur wasn’t listening when he had the same conversation with Zim...