Garoppolo contract sets the price tag if Vikings want Cousins

I dunno, I've read all the arguments back and forth, and I'm probably wrong anyway, but I see Case and Kirk as being too close to call. Kirk 3 seasons over 4K yards, higher INT...but still I see relatively the same QB.

Brees will stay in NO
Rodgers won't opt out, and GB will blow their wad on him (fine by me)

leaves us with Bradford and Teddy both with durability questions, Case or Cousins (Have a feeling someone will overpay for Cousins) and we will be faced with the same problem now....

choosing between Teddy, Sam and Case

All season we've been holding our collective breathe waiting for Case to give us an excuse to sit him down......all the way to the title game.

my gut says ya gotta dance with who brought ya.

@"Vanguard83" said: I dunno, I've read all the arguments back and forth, and I'm probably wrong anyway, but I see Case and Kirk as being too close to call. Kirk 3 seasons over 4K yards, higher INT...but still I see relatively the same QB.

Brees will stay in NO
Rodgers won't opt out, and GB will blow their wad on him (fine by me)

leaves us with Bradford and Teddy both with durability questions, Case or Cousins (Have a feeling someone will overpay for Cousins) and we will be faced with the same problem now....

choosing between Teddy, Sam and Case

All season we've been holding our collective breathe waiting for Case to give us an excuse to sit him down......all the way to the title game.

my gut says ya gotta dance with who brought ya.

Thats a hard pause for me..For me the choice is Cousins. Will be fascinating to watch it play out the next month or 2. I dont envy our shiny new OC, Zimm or RS on this one. 

@"Vanguard83" said: I dunno, I've read all the arguments back and forth, and I'm probably wrong anyway, but I see Case and Kirk as being too close to call. Kirk 3 seasons over 4K yards, higher INT...but still I see relatively the same QB.

Brees will stay in NO
Rodgers won't opt out, and GB will blow their wad on him (fine by me)

leaves us with Bradford and Teddy both with durability questions, Case or Cousins (Have a feeling someone will overpay for Cousins) and we will be faced with the same problem now....

choosing between Teddy, Sam and Case

All season we've been holding our collective breathe waiting for Case to give us an excuse to sit him down......all the way to the title game.

my gut says ya gotta dance with who brought ya.

When he has to stand in the pocket I think he does not see as much (obviously) and is prone to throwing some awful passes.  At first I thought he was just trying to give his receivers a chance to make a play but when it is the playoffs, you have to be a but more cautious no?

I would not compare Kirk Cousins putting up the number he did for 3 straight years (with no running game really) to Case putting up 1 year.  I cant do that.

If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Vanguard83" said: I dunno, I've read all the arguments back and forth, and I'm probably wrong anyway, but I see Case and Kirk as being too close to call. Kirk 3 seasons over 4K yards, higher INT...but still I see relatively the same QB.

Brees will stay in NO
Rodgers won't opt out, and GB will blow their wad on him (fine by me)

leaves us with Bradford and Teddy both with durability questions, Case or Cousins (Have a feeling someone will overpay for Cousins) and we will be faced with the same problem now....

choosing between Teddy, Sam and Case

All season we've been holding our collective breathe waiting for Case to give us an excuse to sit him down......all the way to the title game.

my gut says ya gotta dance with who brought ya.

True...And while I cannot in good faith lay the root of our embarrassing demise in Philly solely at the feet of Case (cough, cough defense cough blew cough chunks)  he did have a 73 QBR when the going got tough against The Saints and Eagles. 

Thats a hard pause for me..For me the choice is Cousins. Will be fascinating to watch it play out the next month or 2. I dont envy our shiny new OC, Zimm or RS on this one. 

The pick 6 in Philly was into triple coverage and a guaranteed INT regardless of whether his arm was hit or not.

Cousins put up better numbers with a far more gimpy Line, no running game and no name WRs.

If ever Case was going to have a season where he would have eclipsed Kirk it should have been this year. Didn't happen. And that's concerning.

@"StickyBun" said: If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

I think Sam getting overlooked by a lot of folks. The knee is much more of a problem for him than age. He's roughly the same age as Kirk Cousins. He's 9 years younger than Brees; 10 years younger than Brady.

He's a gamble, but if he's past that knee thing (I know, big IF), then someone is going to score big with him. Especially when you consider, because of the knee, he can't draw a very big (or long term) contract. I think he could be the perfect acquisition for a team looking to draft a QB high in the draft. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

I think Sam getting overlooked by a lot of folks. The knee is much more of a problem for him than age. He's roughly the same age as Kirk Cousins. He's 9 years younger than Brees; 10 years younger than Brady.

He's a gamble, but if he's past that knee thing (I know, big IF), then someone is going to score big with him. Especially when you consider, because of the knee, he can't draw a very big (or long term) contract. I think he could be the perfect acquisition for a team looking to draft a QB high in the draft. 

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

I think Sam getting overlooked by a lot of folks. The knee is much more of a problem for him than age. He's roughly the same age as Kirk Cousins. He's 9 years younger than Brees; 10 years younger than Brady.

He's a gamble, but if he's past that knee thing (I know, big IF), then someone is going to score big with him. Especially when you consider, because of the knee, he can't draw a very big (or long term) contract. I think he could be the perfect acquisition for a team looking to draft a QB high in the draft. 

Yes, agewise he isn't that old.  I just think wear and tear wise, he has to be considered a short term guy.  If his knee is bone on bone, it is just a matter of time IMO. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

True...And while I cannot in good faith lay the root of our embarrassing demise in Philly solely at the feet of Case (cough, cough defense cough blew cough chunks)  he did have a 73 QBR when the going got tough against The Saints and Eagles. 

Unfortunately the defense and offensive line continued their abysmal play into the Eagles game and it was too much to overcome against a very good team on the road.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

I think Sam getting overlooked by a lot of folks. The knee is much more of a problem for him than age. He's roughly the same age as Kirk Cousins. He's 9 years younger than Brees; 10 years younger than Brady.

He's a gamble, but if he's past that knee thing (I know, big IF), then someone is going to score big with him. Especially when you consider, because of the knee, he can't draw a very big (or long term) contract. I think he could be the perfect acquisition for a team looking to draft a QB high in the draft. 

I would love for the team to be able to keep both him and Teddy for next year and let them compete in camp.  unfortunately, at this point, Sam will never be able to get out from under the cloud of doubt that hangs over his knees and will likely never see any long term money again,  Teddy just needs an opportunity to show that he has no long term issues and then I think he will get a few years.  IMO this would be the best scenario for the team, Sam is a better QB than cousins,  and how much could the team spend on a back up if the bring cousins in?  Teddy would be among the best waiting in the wings guys in the league assuming he doesnt win the #1 job.

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

True...And while I cannot in good faith lay the root of our embarrassing demise in Philly solely at the feet of Case (cough, cough defense cough blew cough chunks)  he did have a 73 QBR when the going got tough against The Saints and Eagles. 

On the flip side, he had us up by 17 in the first half against the Saints (and late into the 3rd quarter), and went toe to toe against Brees late in the game, taking back the lead twice in the final 2:20 after our defense and offensive line decided to go to complete shit.

Unfortunately the defense and offensive line continued their abysmal play into the Eagles game and it was too much to overcome against a very good team on the road.

@"FSUVike" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

True...And while I cannot in good faith lay the root of our embarrassing demise in Philly solely at the feet of Case (cough, cough defense cough blew cough chunks)  he did have a 73 QBR when the going got tough against The Saints and Eagles. 

On the flip side, he had us up by 17 in the first half against the Saints (and late into the 3rd quarter), and went toe to toe against Brees late in the game, taking back the lead twice in the final 2:20 after our defense and offensive line decided to go to complete shit.

Unfortunately the defense and offensive line continued their abysmal play into the Eagles game and it was too much to overcome against a very good team on the road.

That Pick 6 into triple coverage was clearly on the O-Line and Defense, right?

@"FSUVike" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

True...And while I cannot in good faith lay the root of our embarrassing demise in Philly solely at the feet of Case (cough, cough defense cough blew cough chunks)  he did have a 73 QBR when the going got tough against The Saints and Eagles. 

On the flip side, he had us up by 17 in the first half against the Saints (and late into the 3rd quarter), and went toe to toe against Brees late in the game, taking back the lead twice in the final 2:20 after our defense and offensive line decided to go to complete shit.

Unfortunately the defense and offensive line continued their abysmal play into the Eagles game and it was too much to overcome against a very good team on the road.

That Pick 6 into triple coverage was clearly on the O-Line and Defense, right?