Update: John DeFilipo Interview Must Wait?
I think using Manziel and Russell as examples of DeFilippo's coaching expertise is pretty damn useless. They are footnotes in his coaching bio, but is it really fair to judge the man's abilities on those 2 lame asses?
@"prairieghost" said: I think using Manziel and Russell as examples of DeFilippo's coaching expertise is pretty damn useless. They are footnotes in his coaching bio, but is it really fair to judge the man's abilities on those 2 lame asses?lol, was just joking about them. But it was interesting those two were his first experiences.
@"greediron" said:Interesting for sure, a lot could be learned from those two. But from what I've heard he's largely responsible for Wentz' development over the past 2 years. He also was responsible for a lot of Foles' check at the line since he took over. There are a lot of small little nuances that'd suggest he had a lot to do with how the QB's over performed in that system. The league loves QB guru's and he likely is the best one available.@"prairieghost" said: I think using Manziel and Russell as examples of DeFilippo's coaching expertise is pretty damn useless. They are footnotes in his coaching bio, but is it really fair to judge the man's abilities on those 2 lame asses? lol, was just joking about them. But it was interesting those two were his first experiences.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:Especially important with the Vikings current QB situation.@"greediron" said:Interesting for sure, a lot could be learned from those two. But from what I've heard he's largely responsible for Wentz' development over the past 2 years. He also was responsible for a lot of Foles' check at the line since he took over. There are a lot of small little nuances that'd suggest he had a lot to do with how the QB's over performed in that system. The league loves QB guru's and he likely is the best one available.@"prairieghost" said: I think using Manziel and Russell as examples of DeFilippo's coaching expertise is pretty damn useless. They are footnotes in his coaching bio, but is it really fair to judge the man's abilities on those 2 lame asses? lol, was just joking about them. But it was interesting those two were his first experiences.
@"greediron" said:thank you, yes folks it was a joke.... I seriously am not sure I could even fault johnnys parents for how fucked up that kid is( yes I can, and i do). and russell was a bust before he was drafted, it was evident to anybody that actually watched football... add him to the raiders and it was as close to lock as a better can get.@"prairieghost" said: I think using Manziel and Russell as examples of DeFilippo's coaching expertise is pretty damn useless. They are footnotes in his coaching bio, but is it really fair to judge the man's abilities on those 2 lame asses? lol, was just joking about them. But it was interesting those two were his first experiences.
Former Browns offensive coordinator doesn't really float my boat. He's hot right now, but nobody really talks about who the good OCs would be until you need one.
What he has going for him is:
Superbowl Ring
* Experience with Bradford (and maybe a recommendation)
* Nick Foles didn't collapse in the postseason
* Philly wants to keep him
What he has on the con column is:
* Former Browns offensive coordinator (fired)
* OC for Johnny Manziel (who crashed harder than any player since Ryan Leaf)
* If he wins a superbowl in MN next year, he's going to be the hottest head coach candidate in a long time.
The Browns are toxic enough and Manziel had enough character problems that you can almost ignore them, but still...
The Vikings really need to get this nailed down as fast as possible. March 1 is around the corner. The bright side is that usually when you lose an coordinator, the HC's position becomes (or already is) a question mark. Zimmer has done well enough for that to not be the case.
But being a former Browns offensive coordinator shouldn't be a con for DeFilippo when you consider Shurmur is a former Browns HC.
@"prairieghost" said: But being a former Browns offensive coordinator shouldn't be a con for DeFilippo when you consider Shurmur is a former Browns HC.belicheat has that stain on his resume as well. i dont think being a former browns anything is bad unless its a former browns QB.
@"JimmyinSD" said:Was just about to say that. Belichick was 36-57 as a head coach in Cleveland. These past appearances are about as irrelevant as you can possibly get. They're like all these stats people keep bringing up about the QBs. Utterly meaningless without context.@"prairieghost" said: But being a former Browns offensive coordinator shouldn't be a con for DeFilippo when you consider Shurmur is a former Browns HC. belicheat has that stain on his resume as well. i dont think being a former browns anything is bad unless its a former browns QB.Since he comes from a Doug Pederson offense, I know he's bold and creative. So I only really care about two things: Does he have a good feel for the rhythm of play calling? And is he on the edge of where NFL offenses are going?
@"greediron" said:I think everyone that has been interviewed fits that description.@"JimmyinSD" said: just so everyone isnt expecting miracles, please note that he is not the OC version of Jesus. He has had some successes, but even the great Defilipo couldnt fix jamarcus russell or johnny maziel. Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Either unlucky or part of the issue? Twice he has coached an absolute bust and been part of a staff that was fired.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said: Update: The Eagles have stepped in and declined the Vikings attempt to interview DeFilippo. The interview likely must wait until his contract expires 10 days after the Eagles season ends. but how would an employee feel towards their team that has no intention of promoting the and are just being dicks knowing the guy can walk in 10 days anyway.Uh... he has 10 days to receive a new offer from the Eagles?
How would an employee feel if they didn't get a "promotion" but rather got a raise that paid them like they received a promotion?
The big issue with turning down an extension would be that the opportunity here in MN is not guaranteed. Turn down an extension and then miss out on the Vikings coordinator job... how would an employee feel about a demotion back in Cleveland?
I'd assume that they weren't just screwing me; that with just 10 days on my contract maybe they want to extend.
I'd know with an OC interview and potential opportunity, I might have a lot of room to negotiate myself a nice deal. They just signaled they don't want me to leave. And hey, in 10 days they are ****ed if they like me.
I also know that if I turn my back on this leverage, it ain't coming back. If I walk out the door in 10 days and miss out on the Vikings job... they'd have to like me an awful lot back in Philly to reboot those higher figured negotiations at the same competitive terms.
Hmph. I knew none of that.
Makes you wonder how the Browns have been so bad for so long.
@"BlackMagic7" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said: Update: The Eagles have stepped in and declined the Vikings attempt to interview DeFilippo. The interview likely must wait until his contract expires 10 days after the Eagles season ends. but how would an employee feel towards their team that has no intention of promoting the and are just being dicks knowing the guy can walk in 10 days anyway.Uh... he has 10 days to receive a new offer from the Eagles?
How would an employee feel if they didn't get a "promotion" but rather got a raise that paid them like they received a promotion?
The big issue with turning down an extension would be that the opportunity here in MN is not guaranteed. Turn down an extension and then miss out on the Vikings coordinator job... how would an employee feel about a demotion back in Cleveland?
I don’t think it’s a given that if he says “Hey I want to
interview for an OC position” that the Eagles are going to immediately hire a
QB coach to spite him. He’s still
probably their #1 option for their QB coach position.I think for him, the new position and responsibility is more
important than the money. He needs to
continue progressing up the coaching hierarchy.
I think if he resigns with the Eagles, he’ll have some sort of verbiage
to protect him from being prevented from interviewing. I don’t think there’s any concern with him
being demoted to Cleveland. He’s too
high in demand, he’d be given some sort of position at a team he’s favorable
towards. I’d assume that even if we
picked say, Stefanski over him, we’d still offer him the QB Coach job if the
Eagles shafted him or he was spiteful towards them.
Sources told Adam Caplan that John D. will interview with the Vikes tomarrow. Whether it's a courtesy interview on his part or legit I don't know.
@"VikeMike52" said: Sources told Adam Caplan that John D. will interview with the Vikes tomarrow. Whether it's a courtesy interview on his part or legit I don't know.So did philly change their mind or is Adam full of shit?
@"JimmyinSD" said:Apparently its happening tomorrow. I don't have specifics. But either the Eagles gave up trying to get him to stall or he voiced his opinion to be a play caller which wouldn't be a possibility in Philadelphia under Peterson.@"VikeMike52" said: Sources told Adam Caplan that John D. will interview with the Vikes tomarrow. Whether it's a courtesy interview on his part or legit I don't know. So did philly change their mind or is Adam full of shit?
It's really a shitty move by the Eagles, IMO....Shurmer can interview while the season is still ongoing, yet DeFillipo can't AFTER the season is over?
horseshit.
@"Vanguard83" said: It's really a shitty move by the Eagles, IMO....Shurmer can interview while the season is still ongoing, yet DeFillipo can't AFTER the season is over?horseshit.
That's because formally, going from QB coach to OC is not a promotion under NFL rules, they are both "assistant coaching jobs". Therefore a team may decline any such interview request as long as the guy is under contract.
I would think this is a pretty decent gig as O-coordinator of Minnesota because Zimmer is going to leave you alone to run the offense. Shurmur got the coveted NY Giants job because of such a strong showing and DeFilipo might benefit the same way or when Zimmer retires (he'll be 62 in June). DeFilipo would also have some excellent insight into Kirk Cousins having played him twice a year.
I would guess if DeFilipo interviews well and wants the job, its his. He got Philly to waive the 10-day requirement and he's interviewing today so I would guess that shows his interest to some extent.
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