Alex Smith belongs at the top of the Vikings’ list of options at QB

Well what I didn't see mentioned was Andy Reid was looking for two #2's for Smith.

Someone posted a great comparison between Keenum and Smith in another thread. Stats slightly favored Smith, but
not enough to trade away picks for a guy that has a $20.6 million cap hit in 2018. If the Chiefs release him, they have dead cap money of $3.6 million which makes that decision a no brainer when they can hand over the job to Mahomes. I can't see too many GM's lining up to take on that salary knowing the Chiefs won't keep him at that price. 

If I'm Rick, I transition Tag Case so you can let other teams set his market value and have the flexibilty to match or take the picks as compensation and then sign Teddy or Sam, or look at Smith once he is released.  

He can ask, but the whole League knows he's dying to start his shiny new QB. That doesn't leave KC with much leverage.

I like Smith, but not enough to really want to trade good picks for.  I just think some other team would offer more than us.

Smith could be had for a lower pick, teams know KC has little leverage

Smith is the PERFECT pick for both Rick and Zim. A guy who can light it up occasionally, but most importantly a guy you can trust. 

Smith, Teddy, Sloter 2018

Crazy talk. Smith isn't a franchise QB that you ride to a SB, and at age 34, I'm not interested in short term rentals anymore. If we're going all in, for the short term, just pay for Brees and be done with it.  

@"TBro" said: Someone posted a great comparison between Keenum and Smith in another thread. Stats slightly favored Smith, but not enough to trade away picks for a guy that has a $20.6 million cap hit in 2018. If the Chiefs release him, they have dead cap money of $3.6 million which makes that decision a no brainer when they can hand over the job to Mahomes. I can't see too many GM's lining up to take on that salary knowing the Chiefs won't keep him at that price. 

If I'm Rick, I transition Tag Case so you can let other teams set his market value and have the flexibilty to match or take the picks as compensation and then sign Teddy or Sam, or look at Smith once he is released.  

You don't receive picks with the transition tag iirc,  only chance at the right to match any contract he is offered,  and who is to say that Teddy or Sam would be sitting around waiting for the Vikes to make up their mind on Case?

Imo the team needs to be decisive in how they approach this decision.  Pick their guy/guys and go after them to mutually beneficial contracts.  If we want shorter terms them it will be for more money up front IMO.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"TBro" said: Someone posted a great comparison between Keenum and Smith in another thread. Stats slightly favored Smith, but not enough to trade away picks for a guy that has a $20.6 million cap hit in 2018. If the Chiefs release him, they have dead cap money of $3.6 million which makes that decision a no brainer when they can hand over the job to Mahomes. I can't see too many GM's lining up to take on that salary knowing the Chiefs won't keep him at that price. 

If I'm Rick, I transition Tag Case so you can let other teams set his market value and have the flexibilty to match or take the picks as compensation and then sign Teddy or Sam, or look at Smith once he is released.  

You don't receive picks with the transition tag iirc,  only chance at the right to match any contract he is offered,  and who is to say that Teddy or Sam would be sitting around waiting for the Vikes to make up their mind on Case?

Imo the team needs to be decisive in how they approach this decision.  Pick their guy/guys and go after them to mutually beneficial contracts.  If we want shorter terms them it will be for more money up front IMO.

Neither Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins or Drew Brees is coming to Minnesota. This is all the same smoke B.S. we get at this time of the year from around the NFL. 

IMO, they are really looking hard at a Bradford-Sloter combo. Stefanski can put in place a very Shurmur-like, Bradford friendly offense: he saw it first hand the last 2 years. Just my personal theory, zero confirmation anywhere on this.

@"StickyBun" said: Neither Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins or Drew Brees is coming to Minnesota. This is all the same smoke B.S. we get at this time of the year from around the NFL. 

IMO, they are really looking hard at a Bradford-Sloter combo. Stefanski can put in place a very Shurmur-like, Bradford friendly offense: he saw it first hand the last 2 years. Just my personal theory, zero confirmation anywhere on this.

Completely agree...I've been thinking the same thing reference Bradford and Sloter for a while now.  It's just something Speilman is capable of wanting to do with the quarterback situation. 

@"StickyBun" said: Neither Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins or Drew Brees is coming to Minnesota. This is all the same smoke B.S. we get at this time of the year from around the NFL. 

IMO, they are really looking hard at a Bradford-Sloter combo. Stefanski can put in place a very Shurmur-like, Bradford friendly offense: he saw it first hand the last 2 years. Just my personal theory, zero confirmation anywhere on this.

I know we have heard they are high on Sloter,  but until he has seen some real action against some real opponents that are actually going to play sunday football IMO its to early to be penciling him in as our #2.  If they indeed decide to stay with Bradford as the 1,  then I hope they are looking at bringing in another journeyman or drafting a high round pick that could possibly surprise and be able to take the #2.  The Sloter rumors are great,  but until he has shown more than being the best QB in Denvers 2017 preseaon  ( not sure but I think I could have been the best QB Denver had last year... :p ) ,  I hope Rick has a better contingency plan in place.

I expect that KC might try to trade Smith but this assumption that Mahomes is ready to play is quite generous.

The Chiefs made the playoffs and barely lost to the Titans thanks to a second half collapse.

The idea that they would want to turn the roster over to Mahomes and he will do better is something I would not want the Vikings to do next year.

Seems to me the Chiefs need to keep on winning most of all.

Worst case is Smith leaves in free agency after next season and they get a possible compensatory pick.

At the very least, they should hold out for a 1st round pick just like the Eagles got for Bradford.  Now maybe they only can get a 2nd round pick because he only has one year left on his deal.  But any team that trades for him always can use the franchise tag.

If I am the Chiefs, unless you are talking first round pick then forget about it.

@"MarkSP18" said: I expect that KC might try to trade Smith but this assumption that Mahomes is ready to play is quite generous.

The Chiefs made the playoffs and barely lost to the Titans thanks to a second half collapse.

The idea that they would want to turn the roster over to Mahomes and he will do better is something I would not want the Vikings to do next year.

Seems to me the Chiefs need to keep on winning most of all.

Worst case is Smith leaves in free agency after next season and they get a possible compensatory pick.

At the very least, they should hold out for a 1st round pick just like the Eagles got for Bradford.  Now maybe they only can get a 2nd round pick because he only has one year left on his deal.  But any team that trades for him always can use the franchise tag.

If I am the Chiefs, unless you are talking first round pick then forget about it.

Smith is 34 going into the last year of his contract.  if the Chiefs are really ready to move on,  they better take what they can get this year as they wont get shit for him in terms of a compensatory pick as I dont see him getting any big contract offers as a 35 year old free agent.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Neither Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins or Drew Brees is coming to Minnesota. This is all the same smoke B.S. we get at this time of the year from around the NFL. 

IMO, they are really looking hard at a Bradford-Sloter combo. Stefanski can put in place a very Shurmur-like, Bradford friendly offense: he saw it first hand the last 2 years. Just my personal theory, zero confirmation anywhere on this.

I know we have heard they are high on Sloter,  but until he has seen some real action against some real opponents that are actually going to play sunday football IMO its to early to be penciling him in as our #2.  If they indeed decide to stay with Bradford as the 1,  then I hope they are looking at bringing in another journeyman or drafting a high round pick that could possibly surprise and be able to take the #2.  The Sloter rumors are great,  but until he has shown more than being the best QB in Denvers 2017 preseaon  ( not sure but I think I could have been the best QB Denver had last year... :p ) ,  I hope Rick has a better contingency plan in place.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MarkSP18" said: I expect that KC might try to trade Smith but this assumption that Mahomes is ready to play is quite generous.

The Chiefs made the playoffs and barely lost to the Titans thanks to a second half collapse.

The idea that they would want to turn the roster over to Mahomes and he will do better is something I would not want the Vikings to do next year.

Seems to me the Chiefs need to keep on winning most of all.

Worst case is Smith leaves in free agency after next season and they get a possible compensatory pick.

At the very least, they should hold out for a 1st round pick just like the Eagles got for Bradford.  Now maybe they only can get a 2nd round pick because he only has one year left on his deal.  But any team that trades for him always can use the franchise tag.

If I am the Chiefs, unless you are talking first round pick then forget about it.

Smith is 34 going into the last year of his contract.  if the Chiefs are really ready to move on,  they better take what they can get this year as they wont get shit for him in terms of a compensatory pick as I dont see him getting any big contract offers as a 35 year old free agent.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MarkSP18" said: I expect that KC might try to trade Smith but this assumption that Mahomes is ready to play is quite generous.

The Chiefs made the playoffs and barely lost to the Titans thanks to a second half collapse.

The idea that they would want to turn the roster over to Mahomes and he will do better is something I would not want the Vikings to do next year.

Seems to me the Chiefs need to keep on winning most of all.

Worst case is Smith leaves in free agency after next season and they get a possible compensatory pick.

At the very least, they should hold out for a 1st round pick just like the Eagles got for Bradford.  Now maybe they only can get a 2nd round pick because he only has one year left on his deal.  But any team that trades for him always can use the franchise tag.

If I am the Chiefs, unless you are talking first round pick then forget about it.

Smith is 34 going into the last year of his contract.  if the Chiefs are really ready to move on,  they better take what they can get this year as they wont get shit for him in terms of a compensatory pick as I dont see him getting any big contract offers as a 35 year old free agent.

Maybe you are right?  His age could play a factor for sure but we see older QBs doing well but they are the exception.

The real question is are they ready to turn over the offense to Mahomes and risk not making the playoffs?

Mahomes will struggle.  All young QBs do.  Maybe not a lot but it only takes a little to lose a game.

I just do not see them bailing on Smith unless they really need the 17 mil in cap space they get from cutting or trading him.

May as well keep him if all you can get is a 4th round pick.

You don't make the trade up that KC made with its aging Defense just to pick a QB to sit on the bench for two years.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Neither Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins or Drew Brees is coming to Minnesota. This is all the same smoke B.S. we get at this time of the year from around the NFL. 

IMO, they are really looking hard at a Bradford-Sloter combo. Stefanski can put in place a very Shurmur-like, Bradford friendly offense: he saw it first hand the last 2 years. Just my personal theory, zero confirmation anywhere on this.

I know we have heard they are high on Sloter,  but until he has seen some real action against some real opponents that are actually going to play sunday football IMO its to early to be penciling him in as our #2.  If they indeed decide to stay with Bradford as the 1,  then I hope they are looking at bringing in another journeyman or drafting a high round pick that could possibly surprise and be able to take the #2.  The Sloter rumors are great,  but until he has shown more than being the best QB in Denvers 2017 preseaon  ( not sure but I think I could have been the best QB Denver had last year... :p ) ,  I hope Rick has a better contingency plan in place.

If Sloter has a decent preseason in 2018, why wouldn't they commit to him as a #2 possibly? They were about to do the same thing with Taylor Heinicke a few years back until he kicked the door in and slashed his tendon. He was just as unproven. Its not that far-fetched. I get that he has things to prove, to your point. I very much agree. 

And like I said, this may not be AT ALL what the team is looking to do. But IMO, they should consider it.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Neither Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins or Drew Brees is coming to Minnesota. This is all the same smoke B.S. we get at this time of the year from around the NFL. 

IMO, they are really looking hard at a Bradford-Sloter combo. Stefanski can put in place a very Shurmur-like, Bradford friendly offense: he saw it first hand the last 2 years. Just my personal theory, zero confirmation anywhere on this.

I know we have heard they are high on Sloter,  but until he has seen some real action against some real opponents that are actually going to play sunday football IMO its to early to be penciling him in as our #2.  If they indeed decide to stay with Bradford as the 1,  then I hope they are looking at bringing in another journeyman or drafting a high round pick that could possibly surprise and be able to take the #2.  The Sloter rumors are great,  but until he has shown more than being the best QB in Denvers 2017 preseaon  ( not sure but I think I could have been the best QB Denver had last year... :p ) ,  I hope Rick has a better contingency plan in place.

If Sloter has a decent preseason in 2018, why wouldn't they commit to him as a #2 possibly? They were about to do the same thing with Taylor Heinicke a few years back until he kicked the door in and slashed his tendon. He was just as unproven. Its not that far-fetched. I get that he has things to prove, to your point. I very much agree. 

And like I said, this may not be AT ALL what the team is looking to do. But IMO, they should consider it.

if he can earn it.. no issue,   i am hoping the team has learned though that they need to have a viable #2 established going into the OTAs and minicamps, Heineke had as many question marks as anybody and with him being limited/out last year that really forced the teams hand in going after Bradford.  No matter what player they take their will be question marks, I am just hoping that an unproven Sloter isnt the annointed #2,  that they bring somebody in for him to compete against.

@"FSUVike" said: You don't make the trade up that KC made with its aging Defense just to pick a QB to sit on the bench for two years.

I think not winning a home playoff game since 1994 has more to do with it.