Mike Zimmer Talks Futures of Keenum, Bridgewater and Bradford

@"MarkSP18" said: I think the notion that the two receivers helped out Case a lot while true it fails to mention the plays Case made just to buy time and allow these receivers more time to get open and thus, get better numbers.  Without Case making a lot of plays this year it would have been much different because I am fairly certain Bradford would not have made those plays and am unsure if Teddy would have after his injury.

I am hoping the Vikings are waiting on Cousins or Brees before deciding on one of these 3 current QBs.

I will pass on the two you mentioned,  but I am curious what Smith would cost.  I don't know that Brees would be as good a fit in minnys lockerroom.

I would take Keenum long before Alex Smith. I have watched too many years of him being mr. checkdown though he certainly would be a fit for a Viking QB. Mediocre

@"kmillard" said: I would take Keenum long before Alex Smith. I have watched too many years of him being mr. checkdown though he certainly would be a fit for a Viking QB. Mediocre

@"Ralphie" said:

@"kmillard" said: I would take Keenum long before Alex Smith. I have watched too many years of him being mr. checkdown though he certainly would be a fit for a Viking QB. Mediocre

Agreed.  Talk to Chief fans suffering through another lackluster offensive season.  They went from the league best offense weeks 1-5 to the leagues worst games 6-12.  They are more than happy to move on from Smith.

Interesting comparison charts...

7. Alex Smith, Kansas City Chiefs – 85.9 overall grade
Excerpt from the PFF QB Annual: One of the biggest stories of the 2017 season, Smith became a big-time throw machine, posting the highest percentage of his career and ranking fifth in the league at 6.04 percent. There were more schemed-up opportunities for those big plays, but it was a different feel to Smith’s game this season as he took chances into tighter windows and the aggressiveness paid off.

9. Case Keenum, Minnesota Vikings – 85.4 overall grade
Excerpt from the PFF QB Annual: Keenum’s incredible run this season with the Vikings extended all the way into the red zone this season. He threw the highest percentage of catchable passes of any starter in that area (76.9 percent) and didn’t have a single turnover-worthy throw. That’s more than just game managing.

20. Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins – 78.9 overall grade
Excerpt from the PFF QB Annual: If 2017 was the final audition for Kirk Cousins to earn himself a blockbuster contract with the Washington Redskins, he didn’t exactly knock it out of the park. His 78.9 overall grade was the worst he has posted over the last three years, and his season was bookended by the worst two games of the year.

Good post, Ralphie.  It does make you think if you like Smith, or even Cousins, you might as well just give Case the job and save draft picks and money.

Obviously we have no idea how Teddy, Sam, and Case looked on the practice field.  If Case walks away from the Vikes, it's most likely because he clearly wasn't impressive enough to keep the job.

Zim says Sam is now healthy, and Teddy is too.  There will be lots of hand wringing around here while we wait and see who gets the nod.

I can tell I'm the only person on this board living in KC. Alex Smith was anything but a checkdown QB this year. 

Any issues the Chiefs Offense had could be tied directly to Reid abandoning the run too early and not having any true WRs once Conley went down.

As dynamic as Hill can be with the ball in his hands he's still an incredibly raw route runner ala Harvin.

And if you want stats Smith's Average Completed Air Yards was actually higher than Case's (6.3 to 5.9) and Average Intended Air Yards for both were nearly identical (8.0 to 8.1).

Think about that. Alex had a gimmick WR, a great TE and a slick.rookie RB and his average completed pass traveled further through the air past the LOS than Keenum's did.

Imagine what Smith could do with precise route runners like Diggs and Thielen! 

@"FSUVike" said: I can tell I'm the only person on this board living in KC. Alex Smith was anything but a checkdown QB this year. 

Any issues the Chiefs Offense had could be tied directly to Reid abandoning the run too early and not having any true WRs once Conley went down.

As dynamic as Hill can be with the ball in his hands he's still an incredibly raw route runner ala Harvin.

And if you want stats Smith's Average Completed Air Yards was actually higher than Case's (6.3 to 5.9) and Average Intended Air Yards for both were nearly identical (8.0 to 8.1).

Think about that. Alex had a gimmick WR, a great TE and a slick.rookie RB and his average completed pass traveled further through the air past the LOS than Keenum's did.

Imagine what Smith could do with precise route runners like Diggs and Thielen! 

KC inflated their offense with gimmicks the first 5 weeks, defense got film and it got a lot tougher.

I didn't now Conley was even a real NFL WR.  I like Smith if they go outside to get a QB-not sure I like giving up a pick though. 

IIRC the Chiefs had their own mini triage unit going with their OL in the middle part of the season.  I think the Center and RG were both out for an extended time but I could be wrong.   I watch them when I can,  but I dont make it a priority so I dont follow them near as close as I do the Vikes.

and here is why you can't trust PFF.  Regarding Keenum

He threw the highest percentage of catchable passes of any starter in
that area (76.9 percent) and didn’t have a single turnover-worthy throw.

@"HappyViking" said: Good post, Ralphie.  It does make you think if you like Smith, or even Cousins, you might as well just give Case the job and save draft picks and money.

Obviously we have no idea how Teddy, Sam, and Case looked on the practice field.  If Case walks away from the Vikes, it's most likely because he clearly wasn't impressive enough to keep the job.

Zim says Sam is now healthy, and Teddy is too.  There will be lots of hand wringing around here while we wait and see who gets the nod.

I think Smith has the ability to carry a team though and go into the playoffs and play at a high level. I trust Smith more than I could Case and I don't think its apples to apples with these two. Smith is the superior QB IMO

@"Canthony" said:

@"HappyViking" said: Good post, Ralphie.  It does make you think if you like Smith, or even Cousins, you might as well just give Case the job and save draft picks and money.

Obviously we have no idea how Teddy, Sam, and Case looked on the practice field.  If Case walks away from the Vikes, it's most likely because he clearly wasn't impressive enough to keep the job.

Zim says Sam is now healthy, and Teddy is too.  There will be lots of hand wringing around here while we wait and see who gets the nod.

I think Smith has the ability to carry a team though and go into the playoffs and play at a high level. I trust Smith more than I could Case and I don't think its apples to apples with these two. Smith is the superior QB IMO

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"HappyViking" said: Good post, Ralphie.  It does make you think if you like Smith, or even Cousins, you might as well just give Case the job and save draft picks and money.

Obviously we have no idea how Teddy, Sam, and Case looked on the practice field.  If Case walks away from the Vikes, it's most likely because he clearly wasn't impressive enough to keep the job.

Zim says Sam is now healthy, and Teddy is too.  There will be lots of hand wringing around here while we wait and see who gets the nod.

I think Smith has the ability to carry a team though and go into the playoffs and play at a high level. I trust Smith more than I could Case and I don't think its apples to apples with these two. Smith is the superior QB IMO

Maybe, but one could argue that he's never carried a team further than Case just did.  Case is also younger and trending up, while I doubt you would say the same for Smith.

We're still giving out draft picks this year for a QB, and now we want to give away more?  To me, that sounds like a bad plan, especially for Smith.  I think he's good, and reliable, but nothing all that special.

@"greediron" said: and here is why you can't trust PFF.  Regarding Keenum

He threw the highest percentage of catchable passes of any starter in that area (76.9 percent) and didn’t have a single turnover-worthy throw.

I am convinced they don't watch a single game and just throw shit against the wall.

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"HappyViking" said: Good post, Ralphie.  It does make you think if you like Smith, or even Cousins, you might as well just give Case the job and save draft picks and money.

Obviously we have no idea how Teddy, Sam, and Case looked on the practice field.  If Case walks away from the Vikes, it's most likely because he clearly wasn't impressive enough to keep the job.

Zim says Sam is now healthy, and Teddy is too.  There will be lots of hand wringing around here while we wait and see who gets the nod.

I think Smith has the ability to carry a team though and go into the playoffs and play at a high level. I trust Smith more than I could Case and I don't think its apples to apples with these two. Smith is the superior QB IMO

Maybe, but one could argue that he's never carried a team further than Case just did.  Case is also younger and trending up, while I doubt you would say the same for Smith.

We're still giving out draft picks this year for a QB, and now we want to give away more?  To me, that sounds like a bad plan, especially for Smith.  I think he's good, and reliable, but nothing all that special.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"HappyViking" said: Good post, Ralphie.  It does make you think if you like Smith, or even Cousins, you might as well just give Case the job and save draft picks and money.

Obviously we have no idea how Teddy, Sam, and Case looked on the practice field.  If Case walks away from the Vikes, it's most likely because he clearly wasn't impressive enough to keep the job.

Zim says Sam is now healthy, and Teddy is too.  There will be lots of hand wringing around here while we wait and see who gets the nod.

I think Smith has the ability to carry a team though and go into the playoffs and play at a high level. I trust Smith more than I could Case and I don't think its apples to apples with these two. Smith is the superior QB IMO

Maybe, but one could argue that he's never carried a team further than Case just did.  Case is also younger and trending up, while I doubt you would say the same for Smith.

We're still giving out draft picks this year for a QB, and now we want to give away more?  To me, that sounds like a bad plan, especially for Smith.  I think he's good, and reliable, but nothing all that special.

Smith is decent mobility,  but not where Case is at,  but Smith IMO is the much better arm.  I agree though,  anything more than a 6th for Smith is to much IMO.  maybe a 5th in 2019 draft but that would be it.

@"Ralphie" said:

@"greediron" said: and here is why you can't trust PFF.  Regarding Keenum

He threw the highest percentage of catchable passes of any starter in that area (76.9 percent) and didn’t have a single turnover-worthy throw.

I am convinced they don't watch a single game and just throw shit against the wall.

That stat is specific to the Red Zone. 

@"Canthony" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"HappyViking" said: Good post, Ralphie.  It does make you think if you like Smith, or even Cousins, you might as well just give Case the job and save draft picks and money.

Obviously we have no idea how Teddy, Sam, and Case looked on the practice field.  If Case walks away from the Vikes, it's most likely because he clearly wasn't impressive enough to keep the job.

Zim says Sam is now healthy, and Teddy is too.  There will be lots of hand wringing around here while we wait and see who gets the nod.

I think Smith has the ability to carry a team though and go into the playoffs and play at a high level. I trust Smith more than I could Case and I don't think its apples to apples with these two. Smith is the superior QB IMO

Maybe, but one could argue that he's never carried a team further than Case just did.  Case is also younger and trending up, while I doubt you would say the same for Smith.

We're still giving out draft picks this year for a QB, and now we want to give away more?  To me, that sounds like a bad plan, especially for Smith.  I think he's good, and reliable, but nothing all that special.

Smith is decent mobility,  but not where Case is at,  but Smith IMO is the much better arm.  I agree though,  anything more than a 6th for Smith is to much IMO.  maybe a 5th in 2019 draft but that would be it.

I think that is ultimately what will come of Smith. I think its pretty clear that Mahomes is the guy and Smiths trade value may be dwindling

@"greediron" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"greediron" said: and here is why you can't trust PFF.  Regarding Keenum

He threw the highest percentage of catchable passes of any starter in that area (76.9 percent) and didn’t have a single turnover-worthy throw.

I am convinced they don't watch a single game and just throw shit against the wall.

That stat is specific to the Red Zone. 

are you sure?  I see them infer that, but they also have him at 2.1% and ranked 3rd for that overall.  Seems to not fit the eyeball test.