That throw was a thing of beauty.
I have watched the play about 40 times and the thing I keep seeing is what a great throw Case made. I am a Teddy guy and love Bridgewater, and frankly my attitude toward Case has been a hopeful, "wait and see." But that throw to Diggs was no fluke or hail Millie. That was a throw to a spot aimed at Diggs. He threw it high so Diggs could catch it and there would be no chance of an interception. He threw in to the sidelines because the play was designed to get into field goal range. Plus he threw it to the open guy who was farthest down the field.
How many times have you seen a QB pick the nearest of the three recievers for the easier throw? Case threw that ball beautifully to a spot designed to go to the furthest receiver, Diggs that would give us the most yards for a closer field goal. Instead Diggs makes the catch and play of his career because of the great throw Case made.
Keenum's arm is slightly underrated on this board. Its no cannon, but it isn't cooked spaghetti, either.
His arm isn't the greatest ... He puts a lot of air under the ball.
But it lands accurately where it is supposed to ... At the right moment.
I have to admit that is about the best throw he's made all season in terms of velocity. It was, imo maybe to high as if Williams hadn't missed the tackle I have my doubts that Diggs would have been able to get out of bounds, but just getting it there with zip was a nice surprise and suggests that he may have more arm than he's shown this year, or maybe he was on an adrenalin rush, either way it was a pretty nice throw by Case.
@"PSBLAKE" said: I have watched the play about 40 times and the thing I keep seeing is what a great throw Case made. I am a Teddy guy and love Bridgewater, and frankly my attitude toward Case has been a hopeful, "wait and see." But that throw to Diggs was no fluke or hail Millie. That was a throw to a spot aimed at Diggs. He threw it high so Diggs could catch it and there would be no chance of an interception. He threw in to the sidelines because the play was designed to get into field goal range. Plus he threw it to the open guy who was farthest down the field.How many times have you seen a QB pick the nearest of the three recievers for the easier throw? Case threw that ball beautifully to a spot designed to go to the furthest receiver, Diggs that would give us the most yards for a closer field goal. Instead Diggs makes the catch and play of his career because of the great throw Case made.
You put my exact feelings into words, PS. I am a huge Teddy homer like you and I have had that same attitude all season towards Case. I guess he really won me over on Sunday. Now I'm wrestling with who should be our starter next season and beyond. I think, for the moment, I'm just going to stay in the present because this ride has been too wonderful to ever expect again.
@"StickyBun" said: Keenum's arm is slightly underrated on this board. Its no cannon, but it isn't cooked spaghetti, either.
If he just wasn't so damn short! :D
If Brady or Brees or Rodgers had thrown that pass there would have been a lot more said about how good of a pass it was. Instead most are talking about the catch or how it was a miracle. This was a well executed play with an almost perfect throw. Honestly the miracle part was Williams falling down and knocking out Crowley.
@"PSBLAKE" said: If Brady or Brees or Rodgers had thrown that pass there would have been a lot more said about how good of a pass it was. Instead most are talking about the catch or how it was a miracle. This was a well executed play with an almost perfect throw. Honestly the miracle part was Williams falling down and knocking out Crowley.Well the catch and ability stay on his feet and in bounds was pretty special as well.
Love everything about that play. The call, the advice from Shurmur, the blocking, the step up and launch it with plenty of air, the high point catch and freeking amazing ability to land and use his hand to stay upright.
@"PSBLAKE" said: If Brady or Brees or Rodgers had thrown that pass there would have been a lot more said about how good of a pass it was. Instead most are talking about the catch or how it was a miracle. This was a well executed play with an almost perfect throw. Honestly the miracle part was Williams falling down and knocking out Crowley.
Yup. Case was just lucky. If it was Brady, Erin or Rapelesberger, it would have been described as "brilliant" and a "well placed dagger or laser". ;)
This kid set the NCAA record for passing yards, completions and TD's and is routinely dismissed as some kind of Danny Wuerffel wanna-be.
@"A1Janitor" said: After taking a sack.
Yes, and a hard one at that.
@"Ralphie" said:@"PSBLAKE" said: If Brady or Brees or Rodgers had thrown that pass there would have been a lot more said about how good of a pass it was. Instead most are talking about the catch or how it was a miracle. This was a well executed play with an almost perfect throw. Honestly the miracle part was Williams falling down and knocking out Crowley.Yup. Case was just lucky. If it was Brady, Erin or Rapelesberger, it would have been described as "brilliant" and a "well placed dagger or laser". ;)
This kid set the NCAA record for passing yards, completions and TD's and is routinely dismissed as some kind of Danny Wuerffel wanna-be.
Im not dissing Case here, just your choice of stats.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_career_passing_yards_leaders
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-cmp-pct-player-career.html ( not #1 in this as stated, but interestingly enough we have 3 of the top 20 on our roster!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_career_passing_touchdowns_leaders
you may not want him compared to Danny Wuerffel, but those stats that you are trying to use to support Case show that he is in fact in the company of a lot players whose pro career very much resembles wuerffels. not saying Case's career will have the same results, just nothing supported by your stats.
nobody is dissing this particular throw, not sure where that is coming from... and the reason that those others get more respect... they've earned it through years of making throws like that. the throw was a good throw, good trajectory and velocity, pretty well placed. the luck of the play came in after that point.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"PSBLAKE" said: If Brady or Brees or Rodgers had thrown that pass there would have been a lot more said about how good of a pass it was. Instead most are talking about the catch or how it was a miracle. This was a well executed play with an almost perfect throw. Honestly the miracle part was Williams falling down and knocking out Crowley.Yup. Case was just lucky. If it was Brady, Erin or Rapelesberger, it would have been described as "brilliant" and a "well placed dagger or laser". ;)
This kid set the NCAA record for passing yards, completions and TD's and is routinely dismissed as some kind of Danny Wuerffel wanna-be.
Im not dissing Case here, just your choice of stats.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_career_passing_yards_leaders
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-cmp-pct-player-career.html ( not #1 in this as stated, but interestingly enough we have 3 of the top 20 on our roster!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_career_passing_touchdowns_leaders
you may not want him compared to Danny Wuerffel, but those stats that you are trying to use to support Case show that he is in fact in the company of a lot players whose pro career very much resembles wuerffels. not saying Case's career will have the same results, just nothing supported by your stats.
nobody is dissing this particular throw, not sure where that is coming from... and the reason that those others get more respect... they've earned it through years of making throws like that. the throw was a good throw, good trajectory and velocity, pretty well placed. the luck of the play came in after that point.
OK...I'm confused. He is the #1 college QB for the three stats I mentioned. Yes, it's the U of Houston and not Alabama and I know that doesn't guarantee a HOF career, but he's not some Division 2 schlub beating up North Eastern Arkansas A&M.
Who knows where he'll be in 2, 3 or 5 years, but for now the kids playing his heart out with ice-water for blood. He deserves some of the credit for this fantastic run, not the "well, but" excuses some are making.
@"SFVikingFan" said:@"A1Janitor" said: After taking a sack.
Yes, and a hard one at that.
Huh? A sack would have ended the game. Maybe you are watching a different game. :devil
@"greediron" said:@"SFVikingFan" said:@"A1Janitor" said: After taking a sack.
Yes, and a hard one at that.
Huh? A sack would have ended the game. Maybe you are watching a different game. :devil
Whoops, not a sack, but a hard hit. He got blasted on the incomplete pass to McKinnon the play before.
The throw was nice. As Jimmy says, maybe the best velocity we've seen from Keenum this year. And it was absolutely necessary. A floater and this game doesn't end well. The time afforded Keenum to step into his throw was also key.
But the real thing of beauty, as Greed says, was Diggs high pointing the ball. If Diggs had just drifted to where the ball was going, his momentum probably carries him out of bounds. The high-velocity deep rope combined with Diggs' ability to stop his outward momentum and leap about 11 feet in the air to stop the ball was pretty extraordinary. Clearly, the whiffing Marcus Williams expected him to be a couple yards closer to the sideline.
Diggs and Thielen both have a pretty good catch radius. Diggs played that pass perfectly, tracking it the whole way, being at the right depth and making a great leap. Think of the Falcons last play. They go to their best WR, but he slipped and fell down and then the play was busted.
Read somewhere that they practice 7 Heaven every week and it showed. The throw was on the money, the routes, the catch. It was winning football in all its splendor.
@"Ralphie" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"PSBLAKE" said: If Brady or Brees or Rodgers had thrown that pass there would have been a lot more said about how good of a pass it was. Instead most are talking about the catch or how it was a miracle. This was a well executed play with an almost perfect throw. Honestly the miracle part was Williams falling down and knocking out Crowley.Yup. Case was just lucky. If it was Brady, Erin or Rapelesberger, it would have been described as "brilliant" and a "well placed dagger or laser". ;)
This kid set the NCAA record for passing yards, completions and TD's and is routinely dismissed as some kind of Danny Wuerffel wanna-be.
Im not dissing Case here, just your choice of stats.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_career_passing_yards_leaders
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-cmp-pct-player-career.html ( not #1 in this as stated, but interestingly enough we have 3 of the top 20 on our roster!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_career_passing_touchdowns_leaders
you may not want him compared to Danny Wuerffel, but those stats that you are trying to use to support Case show that he is in fact in the company of a lot players whose pro career very much resembles wuerffels. not saying Case's career will have the same results, just nothing supported by your stats.
nobody is dissing this particular throw, not sure where that is coming from... and the reason that those others get more respect... they've earned it through years of making throws like that. the throw was a good throw, good trajectory and velocity, pretty well placed. the luck of the play came in after that point.
OK...I'm confused. He is the #1 college QB for the three stats I mentioned. Yes, it's the U of Houston and not Alabama and I know that doesn't guarantee a HOF career, but he's not some Division 2 schlub beating up North Eastern Arkansas A&M.
Who knows where he'll be in 2, 3 or 5 years, but for now the kids playing his heart out with ice-water for blood. He deserves some of the credit for this fantastic run, not the "well, but" excuses some are making.
whats so confusing? you are saying that he isnt a danny wuerffel, and give those stats to support your claim, but those ranks are littered with danny wuerffel type pro QBs.( yes danny is on at least one of them) The stats dont support your claim. not saying your claim is wrong, or the stats arent impressive, they just dont support each other.also they have nothing to do with what he has or is doing in the pros. the conversations arent about what he is doing now, its what is he worth going forward based on what we have seen this year and in the past.
What makes his accuracy is his ability to read coverage. He doesnt force the ball, his rainbow throws are always one on one type coverages with the ball placed away from defenders.
Even the INT, it was a bad throw with too much air, but that read was golden. The WR flashed open up the sideline between the CB/Safety zone.
It starts with understanding matchups and coverages and ends with the ball going to a target who ends up running to open space.
Jimmy, I'm not trying to pick a fight but evidently you didn't read my entire post because I said:
"Yes, it's the U of Houston and not Alabama and I know that doesn't guarantee a HOF career..."
2× Sammy Baugh Trophy (2009, 2011)
2× Conference USA Most Valuable Player (2009, 2011)
Conference USA Offensive Player of the Year (2008)
Conference USA Freshman of the Year (2007)
I'm going to nitpick, only because I've seen the words great and perfect associated with the throw. It was a great result, that's absolutely true (if one is a Vikings fan) and I give Keenum all the credit for throwing it up there allowing Diggs to make a play, but the entire thing is predicated on the safety screwing up. Diggs was about 5 feet from out of bounds and he had to high point the catch, meaning Diggs was not in control of being able to get out of bounds. If the safety doesn't completely blow it and take out the next closest DB, Diggs is probably tackled in bounds and it's game over.
It was very similar to Bridgewater to Johnson at Chicago in 2015 to set up the game winning FG. Great results and credit for the QB for throwing it and allowing the WR to make a play, but neither are great throws, it just worked out.
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