Can I get one good reason Treadwell is on the team in 2018?

@"greediron" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Clanzomaelan" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Because he's consistently been getting much better separation this year, seems well liked in the locker room, and has largely been limited by both Thielen and Diggs dominating the outsides of the field. 

Interesting question... It seems like Wright is always open... How is it possible that guy is constantly in the doghouse?

I don't think he's necessarily in the doghouse. Its more about how the roster has unfolded. The thing with Wright is that you can use him out of the slot and the Vikings wanted to run bunch formation against the Saints defense to cause confusion. Treadwell is purely an outside receiver, which limits his use with that type of game plan. 

Exactly.  People bitch about Treadwell getting too many snaps in other games and now think his lower snap count is something to prove them right about him being a bust. 

The best thing about this offense is its ability to adapt and use different personnel.  Treadwell had a role in this game, but it was smaller because Shurmur wanted to exploit something else.  If his snaps go back up this week, I am sure this twit Carlson won't find it "telling".

We run a goofy offense.  I think half (slight hyperbole) our non-screen pass plays are just designed to go Diggs or Thielen on drag or mesh routes and Treadwell is just out there to block for them after they catch the ball and to block on running plays or screens.  

I think it is fairly simple really.  His cap hit next year is 2.709 mil.
If they cut him him prior to June 1st they take a 5.870 mil cap hit.  Thus, he wont get cut before June 1st.
I guess they could cut him with a post June 1st designation but that still would mean a dead cap hit of 4.514 mil in 2018 and 1.356 mil in 2019.
If they manage to trade him, and Guru had an excellent idea of trading him to the Browns for Corey Coleman, they would take a 2.712 mil dead money cap hit and then take on Corey Coleman's deal.

Considering that a large number of receivers take until their 3rd year to make an impact, I imagine the Vikings will stick with him at least one more year.

No matter how you slice it though, he has been a major disappointment.

Chance of a 1st round talent WR getting cut before year 3 without off field issues?  I think it approaches Nil.

I think Treadwell easily out snapped Wright in the regular season 2-1.   Wright played more against the saints  but don't know why.

Treadwell isn't a bust but clearly hasn't developed for where he was drafted.

He is important to the run game for sure.

He is still developing and has potential.  That's why he will be on the team next year.

i was going to go with the fact that they guys that get paid to evaluate players think that he is the best one for what they are looking for from the WR3 position... but hey,  what do I know.. Im only a fan.

seriously,  why the fuck does this come up every other week,  are some people only happy when they are tearing somebody down or bitching about something?  we went from the worst run team ever in the franchise history to being somewhat respectable in 1 year and we are to believe that having our best blocking receiver getting some snaps doesnt have something to do with that?  we went from being one of the worst offenses in the league last year to a top 10 offense over all,  so obviously the guys making the decisions arent fucking idiots... or maybe Case just loaned  them his horse shoe.

@"JimmyinSD" said: i was going to go with the fact that they guys that get paid to evaluate players think that he is the best one for what they are looking for from the WR3 position... but hey,  what do I know.. Im only a fan.

seriously,  why the fuck does this come up every other week,  are some people only happy when they are tearing somebody down or bitching about something?  we went from the worst run team ever in the franchise history to being somewhat respectable in 1 year and we are to believe that having our best blocking receiver getting some snaps doesnt have something to do with that?  we went from being one of the worst offenses in the league last year to a top 10 offense over all,  so obviously the guys making the decisions arent fucking idiots... or maybe Case just loaned  them his horse shoe.

I find it goofy that you'd get so worked up about it.

@"greediron" said: Chance of a 1st round talent WR getting cut before year 3 without off field issues?  I think it approaches Nil.

The only good reason I can think of is fairly obvious.  They don't have anyone else that beat LT out.  The Vikes have some young guys on the practice squad, and probably will add a couple more this off season, but if Tready beats them out he stays.

I don't think Coley and Adams would have very many catches either, if Treadwell was cut.  Diggs and AT would still get the majority of the targets no matter who they put in as the 3rd WR.  Chances are any new additions at WR for next year won't unseed Diggs or AT, so you'll probably be disappointed with any new #3's production as well.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: i was going to go with the fact that they guys that get paid to evaluate players think that he is the best one for what they are looking for from the WR3 position... but hey,  what do I know.. Im only a fan.

seriously,  why the fuck does this come up every other week,  are some people only happy when they are tearing somebody down or bitching about something?  we went from the worst run team ever in the franchise history to being somewhat respectable in 1 year and we are to believe that having our best blocking receiver getting some snaps doesnt have something to do with that?  we went from being one of the worst offenses in the league last year to a top 10 offense over all,  so obviously the guys making the decisions arent fucking idiots... or maybe Case just loaned  them his horse shoe.

The better question is why does it piss you off so much? Its a legitimate question about a guy who hasn't produced anything and was a high draft pick. I asked for one GOOD reason and the only one that is close to 'good' is that he'd be a huge salary cap hit if he was cut. 

I find it goofy that you'd get so worked up about it.

Tread and Wright are both WR's but they don't play the same position = not interchangeable.  

@"minny65" said: Tread and Wright are both WR's but they don't play the same position = not interchangeable.  

I would have liked a defensive player, preferably Miles Jack.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: i was going to go with the fact that they guys that get paid to evaluate players think that he is the best one for what they are looking for from the WR3 position... but hey,  what do I know.. Im only a fan.

seriously,  why the fuck does this come up every other week,  are some people only happy when they are tearing somebody down or bitching about something?  we went from the worst run team ever in the franchise history to being somewhat respectable in 1 year and we are to believe that having our best blocking receiver getting some snaps doesnt have something to do with that?  we went from being one of the worst offenses in the league last year to a top 10 offense over all,  so obviously the guys making the decisions arent fucking idiots... or maybe Case just loaned  them his horse shoe.

The better question is why does it piss you off so much? Its a legitimate question about a guy who hasn't produced anything and was a high draft pick. I asked for one GOOD reason and the only one that is close to 'good' is that he'd be a huge salary cap hit if he was cut. 

I find it goofy that you'd get so worked up about it.

you've been given good reasons the past dozen times its been brought up,  but since you dont agree with them then they dont count as "good".   goofy is asking the same question time after time and expecting something to change.   goofy is when things are going great looking for something to bitch about in a week when the player really wasnt given the opportunity to make an impact.  WTF difference does it make that he is on the roster and getting reps?  is he taking a better players spot?  wouldnt Coley be out there if he was a better fit?  or is there some sort of grand conspiracy to put guys on the field and bury better talent?   the argument doesnt make sense.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: i was going to go with the fact that they guys that get paid to evaluate players think that he is the best one for what they are looking for from the WR3 position... but hey,  what do I know.. Im only a fan.

seriously,  why the fuck does this come up every other week,  are some people only happy when they are tearing somebody down or bitching about something?  we went from the worst run team ever in the franchise history to being somewhat respectable in 1 year and we are to believe that having our best blocking receiver getting some snaps doesnt have something to do with that?  we went from being one of the worst offenses in the league last year to a top 10 offense over all,  so obviously the guys making the decisions arent fucking idiots... or maybe Case just loaned  them his horse shoe.

The better question is why does it piss you off so much? Its a legitimate question about a guy who hasn't produced anything and was a high draft pick. I asked for one GOOD reason and the only one that is close to 'good' is that he'd be a huge salary cap hit if he was cut. 

I find it goofy that you'd get so worked up about it.

you've been given good reasons the past dozen times its been brought up,  but since you dont agree with them then they dont count as "good".   goofy is asking the same question time after time and expecting something to change.   goofy is when things are going great looking for something to bitch about in a week when the player really wasnt given the opportunity to make an impact.  WTF difference does it make that he is on the roster and getting reps?  is he taking a better players spot?  wouldnt Coley be out there if he was a better fit?  or is there some sort of grand conspiracy to put guys on the field and bury better talent?   the argument doesnt make sense.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: i was going to go with the fact that they guys that get paid to evaluate players think that he is the best one for what they are looking for from the WR3 position... but hey,  what do I know.. Im only a fan.

seriously,  why the fuck does this come up every other week,  are some people only happy when they are tearing somebody down or bitching about something?  we went from the worst run team ever in the franchise history to being somewhat respectable in 1 year and we are to believe that having our best blocking receiver getting some snaps doesnt have something to do with that?  we went from being one of the worst offenses in the league last year to a top 10 offense over all,  so obviously the guys making the decisions arent fucking idiots... or maybe Case just loaned  them his horse shoe.

The better question is why does it piss you off so much? Its a legitimate question about a guy who hasn't produced anything and was a high draft pick. I asked for one GOOD reason and the only one that is close to 'good' is that he'd be a huge salary cap hit if he was cut. 

I find it goofy that you'd get so worked up about it.

you've been given good reasons the past dozen times its been brought up,  but since you dont agree with them then they dont count as "good".   goofy is asking the same question time after time and expecting something to change.   goofy is when things are going great looking for something to bitch about in a week when the player really wasnt given the opportunity to make an impact.  WTF difference does it make that he is on the roster and getting reps?  is he taking a better players spot?  wouldnt Coley be out there if he was a better fit?  or is there some sort of grand conspiracy to put guys on the field and bury better talent?   the argument doesnt make sense.

I dont know man.  You stated above that the Vikings going from the worst rushing team in 2016  to #7 in YPG in 2017 as evidence that Treadwell has done a good job in helping out that effort.  I think he has done a decent job of blocking but it should be noted that he has only played on 45% of the snaps too.

The reason for the steep decline from #1 in 2015 to last in 2016 is pretty obvious.  AP and the injuries to the offensive line surely had a lot to do with that decline.

As for what the team wants in the #3 WR, well, I hope it is not a blocking WR.  I think the fact that they went after Alshon Jeffrey pretty hard this off season is an indicator of what they wanted in that #3 WR.

The bottom line is that he has not caught many passes and there are expectations that come with being a #1 WR.  After all, the dude is making more money than Diggs the last two seasons.  If he is going to collect those checks then he needs to step up more.

Add in the fact that there are more than a few other receivers taken since 2016 that have done much better.

I am hoping he makes that 3rd year jump because the team needs more from him besides blocking on half the plays.

1) Because we’re still fucking in it.  ;) 

@"JimmyinSD" said: i was going to go with the fact that they guys that get paid to evaluate players think that he is the best one for what they are looking for from the WR3 position... but hey,  what do I know.. Im only a fan.

seriously,  why the fuck does this come up every other week,  are some people only happy when they are tearing somebody down or bitching about something?  we went from the worst run team ever in the franchise history to being somewhat respectable in 1 year and we are to believe that having our best blocking receiver getting some snaps doesnt have something to do with that?  we went from being one of the worst offenses in the league last year to a top 10 offense over all,  so obviously the guys making the decisions arent fucking idiots... or maybe Case just loaned  them his horse shoe.

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: i was going to go with the fact that they guys that get paid to evaluate players think that he is the best one for what they are looking for from the WR3 position... but hey,  what do I know.. Im only a fan.

seriously,  why the fuck does this come up every other week,  are some people only happy when they are tearing somebody down or bitching about something?  we went from the worst run team ever in the franchise history to being somewhat respectable in 1 year and we are to believe that having our best blocking receiver getting some snaps doesnt have something to do with that?  we went from being one of the worst offenses in the league last year to a top 10 offense over all,  so obviously the guys making the decisions arent fucking idiots... or maybe Case just loaned  them his horse shoe.

LOL that you managed to bring Case being lucky into this discussion.  I find it interesting that a few of the posters that have been the most critical of Case this season are yet somehow willing to defend Treadwell to the end.

I don't mean to be a complete dick, but why initially post the thread asking for reasons to keep Treadwell on the roster if you already don't think he is worth a spot on the 53? I didn't make my initial post to convince anyone Treadwell is the best WR on the roster. Context.

To rephrase, why should Treadwell be cut for the likes of Michael Floyd, Stacey Coley, Rodney Adams, or Cayleb Jones? Not as hard to defend him from that perspective.