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@"AGRforever" said: So I was watching the highlight reel from the week 1 meeting.  I know the teams have changed but the Saints have lost a ton more players then we have and their D has tailed off easily as much as our O has or maybe more.  Bradford was lights out that game but there wasn't a throw in that bunch that Keenum can't make.  

He can make the same throws, but not with the same velocity or accuracy. There is a striking difference. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"AGRforever" said: So I was watching the highlight reel from the week 1 meeting.  I know the teams have changed but the Saints have lost a ton more players then we have and their D has tailed off easily as much as our O has or maybe more.  Bradford was lights out that game but there wasn't a throw in that bunch that Keenum can't make.  

He can make the same throws, but not with the same velocity or accuracy. There is a striking difference. 

@"AGRforever" said: So I was watching the highlight reel from the week 1 meeting.  I know the teams have changed but the Saints have lost a ton more players then we have and their D has tailed off easily as much as our O has or maybe more.  Bradford was lights out that game but there wasn't a throw in that bunch that Keenum can't make.  If we can get over the playoffs gitters early I think we've got a great chance to get the W.  Pretty much the entire D played the seachickens 2 years ago so they've been to the playoffs.  A good chunk of the O was there for that game as well.  I hate to sound confident because we've all been burned so damn many times we've lost count but I think we've got it. 

Zimmer will have a different game plan for them on D. 
Our secondary will limit Brees to 250ish yards. 
Our players are rested theirs aren't
Peterson isn't here to fumble 5 times
Chilly isn't here to fuck up the time management

Say it with me we've got a chance!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrd7PNylP3Q

As my brother said “we’ve got just enough offense to win it all”.  Sounds good to me!

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"AGRforever" said: So I was watching the highlight reel from the week 1 meeting.  I know the teams have changed but the Saints have lost a ton more players then we have and their D has tailed off easily as much as our O has or maybe more.  Bradford was lights out that game but there wasn't a throw in that bunch that Keenum can't make.  

He can make the same throws, but not with the same velocity or accuracy. There is a striking difference. 

Yet he somehow still managed to finish #2 in the league in total QBR.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"AGRforever" said: So I was watching the highlight reel from the week 1 meeting.  I know the teams have changed but the Saints have lost a ton more players then we have and their D has tailed off easily as much as our O has or maybe more.  Bradford was lights out that game but there wasn't a throw in that bunch that Keenum can't make.  

He can make the same throws, but not with the same velocity or accuracy. There is a striking difference. 

Yet he somehow still managed to finish #2 in the league in total QBR.

Amazing, isn't it? 2nd best QBR. Same as David Garrard in 2007, except Garrard's was 15 points higher. 

I'm not saying that Keenum is going to go the way of Garrard, but surely you're not going to disagree with me when I say Case doesn't have Sam's arm or accuracy, are you? 

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"AGRforever" said: So I was watching the highlight reel from the week 1 meeting.  I know the teams have changed but the Saints have lost a ton more players then we have and their D has tailed off easily as much as our O has or maybe more.  Bradford was lights out that game but there wasn't a throw in that bunch that Keenum can't make.  

He can make the same throws, but not with the same velocity or accuracy. There is a striking difference. 

Yet he somehow still managed to finish #2 in the league in total QBR.

Amazing, isn't it? 2nd best QBR. Same as David Garrard in 2007, except Garrard's was 15 points higher. 

I'm not saying that Keenum is going to go the way of Garrard, but surely you're not going to disagree with me when I say Case doesn't have Sam's arm or accuracy, are you? 

Well I will give you that Bradford has the stronger arm, but I've always thought Case's arm is more than adequate.  And Case obviously has mobility, poise, and movement in and out of the pocket that I haven't seen out of Bradford (and I like Bradford).

As far as accuracy, there are their first 5 seasons in the league, can you tell me who is who?

QB1        QB2
60.0%     54.2%
53.5%     58.4%
59.5%     60.8%
60.7%     60.9%
65.0%     67.6%

Case had nearly as much velocity and his scrambling makes up for it and then some.  

Heres a great question. Does a healthy Bradford lead us to a 13-3 season?

 If i recall right hes never finished above 8-8. So Im going to say they dont. Keenum looks dang good to me at this point. Maybe he shits the bed but many QBs have done that before so....

@"AGRforever" said: Heres a great question. Does a healthy Bradford lead us to a 13-3 season? If i recall right hes never finished above 8-8. So Im going to say they dont. 

No way to answer the first question. The only clue we have to answer it is in the highlight above, which is a much better indicator of what he might have done in this offense than whatever he did on the crap teams he was on before. So I suspect he would've done at least as good. But again, no way to know for sure. 

Its possible that Case’s ability to scramble and pocket sense has extended drives where Sam wouldnt have.  
Perhaps this line looks all the better because of Case’s mobility.  If Case went down and Sam went in it would look like a very different game.

@"Poiple" said: Its possible that Case’s ability to scramble and pocket sense has extended drives where Sam wouldnt have.   Perhaps this line looks all the better because of Case’s mobility.  If Case went down and Sam went in it would look like a very different game.

Fair enough. Case's ability to elude the pass rush is a big key to his success. But check week one. Same line and Sam lit it up. What's more, whereas Sam isn't as elusive, he's more accurate on deep throws. So that might be a wash. No doubt it would be a different game with Sam at QB. In some ways worse; in some ways better. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"AGRforever" said: So I was watching the highlight reel from the week 1 meeting.  I know the teams have changed but the Saints have lost a ton more players then we have and their D has tailed off easily as much as our O has or maybe more.  Bradford was lights out that game but there wasn't a throw in that bunch that Keenum can't make.  

He can make the same throws, but not with the same velocity or accuracy. There is a striking difference. 

For the record when he is healthy Sam's raw arm/accuracy is arguably the best in the NFL. Its what made him the 1st overall pick in the draft coming off an injury and lacking ideal mobility. Case's arm/accuracy is more than adequate and he knows his limits. But to say it rivals or compares to Sam is a reach. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: For the record when he is healthy Sam's raw arm/accuracy is arguably the best in the NFL. Its what made him the 1st overall pick in the draft coming off an injury and lacking ideal mobility. Case's arm/accuracy is more than adequate and he knows his limits. But to say it rivals or compares to Sam is a reach. 

I say you put Bradford as the back-up and the second Case starts losing it, you put in Sam.

I've always been high on him. I can only imagine how good this offense would be if he'd have stayed healthy this year. And that's not a knock on Case, Sam is just that good. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: For the record when he is healthy Sam's raw arm/accuracy is arguably the best in the NFL. Its what made him the 1st overall pick in the draft coming off an injury and lacking ideal mobility. Case's arm/accuracy is more than adequate and he knows his limits. But to say it rivals or compares to Sam is a reach. 

Another thing that no one has mentioned is that the QB's arm changes the defense you play. The Saints played a lot of cover-two against Bradford. I doubt we'll see much of that with Case. 

I guess I didn't remember the 1st half being so close. We're down 6-3 with 4 and some change to play in the 2nd quarter; close football game.  We score 7, stop them, score 7 again before the half ends, get the ball back at halftime and score 3 points. 

It quickly went from a close contested game to us having a big lead in 3 series. Bradford made some nice throws, we got some penalty calls; blink and you'd miss it.