Casserly on The Future of the QB Position For The Vikings

Curious what Charlie thinks. Anyone care to recap for those of us at work? 

Take QB decision week to week.
Thought Thursday's game was the best game of Case's career.
Thinks Shurmur is OC of the year.
Doesn't think Case is a 20 mil/year QB.
Wait and see how it plays out the entire year before rushing to a decision.
Thinks Sam is out, not reliable with the knee injury.
Thinks Teddy is a real option, and has gotten stronger and most likely will do well.
Says everyone is waiting for the clock to hit midnight on Case, but it's not happening.  He keeps playing better.
Interesting problem for the Vikes.

@"HappyViking" said: Take QB decision week to week. Thought Thursday's game was the best game of Case's career. Thinks Shurmur is OC of the year. Doesn't think Case is a 20 mil/year QB. Wait and see how it plays out the entire year before rushing to a decision. Thinks Sam is out, not reliable with the knee injury. Thinks Teddy is a real option, and has gotten stronger and most likely will do well. Says everyone is waiting for the clock to hit midnight on Case, but it's not happening.  He keeps playing better. Interesting problem for the Vikes.

For my part, I think the Detroit game was the best I've seen Case play. I'm still super anxious to see Teddy play and I'm pretty confident he would be just as good, if not better than Case. However, the Detroit game represented a kind of turning point for Case in my opinion. A point where you could legitimately argue for the first time that his play was the driver of our offensive success instead of the guy being driven by it. And if that's true, he might actually be improving, which potentially changes everything. It could blunt the whole "career backup" label he's had for years. If he's improving then it makes you wonder if he WAS a career backup and NOW he's something else. A bit like Rich Gannon. Either way, it probably extends his leash quite a bit. 

But I agree with Casserly. Let's wait and see what happens. At the very worst, the Vikings have the NFL's hottest QB for the stretch run, and if he falters or gets hurt, the Vikings have a backup who likely won't skip a beat. No other team in the playoff hunt can say that. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"HappyViking" said: Take QB decision week to week. Thought Thursday's game was the best game of Case's career. Thinks Shurmur is OC of the year. Doesn't think Case is a 20 mil/year QB. Wait and see how it plays out the entire year before rushing to a decision. Thinks Sam is out, not reliable with the knee injury. Thinks Teddy is a real option, and has gotten stronger and most likely will do well. Says everyone is waiting for the clock to hit midnight on Case, but it's not happening.  He keeps playing better. Interesting problem for the Vikes.

Thanks!

For my part, I think the Detroit game was the best I've seen Case play. I'm still super anxious to see Teddy play and I'm pretty confident he would be just as good, if not better than Case. However, the Detroit game represented a kind of turning point for Case in my opinion. A point where you could legitimately argue for the first time that his play was the driver of our offensive success instead of the guy being driven by it. And if that's true, he might actually be improving, which potentially changes everything. It could blunt the whole "career backup" label he's had for years. If he's improving then it makes you wonder if he WAS a career backup and NOW he's something else. A bit like Rich Gannon. Either way, it probably extends his leash quite a bit. 

But I agree with Casserly. Let's wait and see what happens. At the very worst, the Vikings have the NFL's hottest QB for the stretch run, and if he falters or gets hurt, the Vikings have a backup who likely won't skip a beat. No other team in the playoff hunt can say that. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"HappyViking" said: Take QB decision week to week. Thought Thursday's game was the best game of Case's career. Thinks Shurmur is OC of the year. Doesn't think Case is a 20 mil/year QB. Wait and see how it plays out the entire year before rushing to a decision. Thinks Sam is out, not reliable with the knee injury. Thinks Teddy is a real option, and has gotten stronger and most likely will do well. Says everyone is waiting for the clock to hit midnight on Case, but it's not happening.  He keeps playing better. Interesting problem for the Vikes.

Thanks!

For my part, I think the Detroit game was the best I've seen Case play. I'm still super anxious to see Teddy play and I'm pretty confident he would be just as good, if not better than Case. However, the Detroit game represented a kind of turning point for Case in my opinion. A point where you could legitimately argue for the first time that his play was the driver of our offensive success instead of the guy being driven by it. And if that's true, he might actually be improving, which potentially changes everything. It could blunt the whole "career backup" label he's had for years. If he's improving then it makes you wonder if he WAS a career backup and NOW he's something else. A bit like Rich Gannon. Either way, it probably extends his leash quite a bit. 

But I agree with Casserly. Let's wait and see what happens. At the very worst, the Vikings have the NFL's hottest QB for the stretch run, and if he falters or gets hurt, the Vikings have a backup who likely won't skip a beat. No other team in the playoff hunt can say that. 

Agree, Case played a smart and efficient game. That pass to Rudy in the back corner of the end zone with the rusher in his face was yet another thing of beauty this season. While I would absolutely love to see what Teddy could do with this team around him, I fully support the coaching staff as they continue to chug forward with Case at the helm.

I agree with Casserly, the good news is the Vikings don't have to make any decisions right now. Sitting at 9/2 with their destiny pretty much in their own hands. 

Case is looking more poised as the season goes on---leave him in until he falters.  Still want a more consistent vertical game but am liking the fact he hits players in stride on most throws not ponderisque freeze frame throws ugh.

Keenum was under a bunch of pressure in that Detroit game and really played well. He moves in the pocket while looking downfield. 

Maybe I just can't remember, but I don't recall Teddy evading pocket pressure like Case can...there's times Keenum has being magical eluding the rush...I cannot recall Teddy evoking that sort of impression for me...

@"BarrNone55" said: Maybe I just can't remember, but I don't recall Teddy evading pocket pressure like Case can...there's times Keenum has being magical eluding the rush...I cannot recall Teddy evoking that sort of impression for me...

^^^Straight up truth...apples to integrated circuits comparison...

@"BarrNone55" said: Maybe I just can't remember, but I don't recall Teddy evading pocket pressure like Case can...there's times Keenum has being magical eluding the rush...I cannot recall Teddy evoking that sort of impression for me...

The other thing to remember is that Case has never done the things he's been doing before this season either.  He may have had moments or a game or two where he's played well, but never has he played at the level he's at now. 

Given the chance, it's entirely possible Teddy would be much better and confident with this team too.

@"HappyViking" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Maybe I just can't remember, but I don't recall Teddy evading pocket pressure like Case can...there's times Keenum has being magical eluding the rush...I cannot recall Teddy evoking that sort of impression for me...

The other thing to remember is that Case has never done the things he's been doing before this season either.  He may have had moments or a game or two where he's played well, but never has he played at the level he's at now. 

Given the chance, it's entirely possible Teddy would be much better and confident with this team too.

@"HappyViking" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Maybe I just can't remember, but I don't recall Teddy evading pocket pressure like Case can...there's times Keenum has being magical eluding the rush...I cannot recall Teddy evoking that sort of impression for me...

The other thing to remember is that Case has never done the things he's been doing before this season either.  He may have had moments or a game or two where he's played well, but never has he played at the level he's at now. 

Given the chance, it's entirely possible Teddy would be much better and confident with this team too.

@"minny65" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Maybe I just can't remember, but I don't recall Teddy evading pocket pressure like Case can...there's times Keenum has being magical eluding the rush...I cannot recall Teddy evoking that sort of impression for me...

The other thing to remember is that Case has never done the things he's been doing before this season either.  He may have had moments or a game or two where he's played well, but never has he played at the level he's at now. 

Given the chance, it's entirely possible Teddy would be much better and confident with this team too.

Yes, and don't forget having WR's that run great routes and get open, Teddy did not have that either.  Everything is clicking on offense with Shurmur and even his play calling has been excellent.  Not sure what Teddy will do in the system but I suspect he would do very well.  Side note downer - I hope Shurmur stays next year - he is going to get a lot of HC attention from an anemic offensive team.   

@"PapaScott" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Maybe I just can't remember, but I don't recall Teddy evading pocket pressure like Case can...there's times Keenum has being magical eluding the rush...I cannot recall Teddy evoking that sort of impression for me...

The other thing to remember is that Case has never done the things he's been doing before this season either.  He may have had moments or a game or two where he's played well, but never has he played at the level he's at now. 

Given the chance, it's entirely possible Teddy would be much better and confident with this team too.

Yes, and don't forget having WR's that run great routes and get open, Teddy did not have that either.  Everything is clicking on offense with Shurmur and even his play calling has been excellent.  Not sure what Teddy will do in the system but I suspect he would do very well.  Side note downer - I hope Shurmur stays next year - he is going to get a lot of HC attention from an anemic offensive team.   

Diggs, Theilen, and Rudolph were all on the 2015 squad.  Mike Wallace was on the 2015 squad as well.  

If the Vikings need to sign anyone it's Shurmur, maybe Kyle will want to play for his dad.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"PapaScott" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Maybe I just can't remember, but I don't recall Teddy evading pocket pressure like Case can...there's times Keenum has being magical eluding the rush...I cannot recall Teddy evoking that sort of impression for me...

The other thing to remember is that Case has never done the things he's been doing before this season either.  He may have had moments or a game or two where he's played well, but never has he played at the level he's at now. 

Given the chance, it's entirely possible Teddy would be much better and confident with this team too.

Yes, and don't forget having WR's that run great routes and get open, Teddy did not have that either.  Everything is clicking on offense with Shurmur and even his play calling has been excellent.  Not sure what Teddy will do in the system but I suspect he would do very well.  Side note downer - I hope Shurmur stays next year - he is going to get a lot of HC attention from an anemic offensive team.   

Diggs, Theilen, and Rudolph were all on the 2015 squad.  Mike Wallace was on the 2015 squad as well.  

If the Vikings need to sign anyone it's Shurmur, maybe Kyle will want to play for his dad.

you cant even compare those guys in 15 with how they are playing in 17...not even close to as good of talent in 15.  and Rudolph got kept in to block on most downs in 15.  Wallace basically ran deep routes that Teddy rarely had time to wait for them to develop so thats really a moot point.

@"PapaScott" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

you cant even compare those guys in 15 with how they are playing in 17...not even close to as good of talent in 15.  and Rudolph got kept in to block on most downs in 15.  Wallace basically ran deep routes that Teddy rarely had time to wait for them to develop so thats really a moot point.

well you can't say that Case has better WR's then.  

@"PapaScott" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"PapaScott" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Maybe I just can't remember, but I don't recall Teddy evading pocket pressure like Case can...there's times Keenum has being magical eluding the rush...I cannot recall Teddy evoking that sort of impression for me...

The other thing to remember is that Case has never done the things he's been doing before this season either.  He may have had moments or a game or two where he's played well, but never has he played at the level he's at now. 

Given the chance, it's entirely possible Teddy would be much better and confident with this team too.

Yes, and don't forget having WR's that run great routes and get open, Teddy did not have that either.  Everything is clicking on offense with Shurmur and even his play calling has been excellent.  Not sure what Teddy will do in the system but I suspect he would do very well.  Side note downer - I hope Shurmur stays next year - he is going to get a lot of HC attention from an anemic offensive team.   

Diggs, Theilen, and Rudolph were all on the 2015 squad.  Mike Wallace was on the 2015 squad as well.  

If the Vikings need to sign anyone it's Shurmur, maybe Kyle will want to play for his dad.

you cant even compare those guys in 15 with how they are playing in 17...not even close to as good of talent in 15.  and Rudolph got kept in to block on most downs in 15.  Wallace basically ran deep routes that Teddy rarely had time to wait for them to develop so thats really a moot point.

well you can't say that Case has better WR's then.