How many times did Josh Norman get burned by Diggs and Theilen?

@"Norse" said:

:) @"JimmyinSD" said: and now you are comparing a 2nd year player with a seasoned vet... okay.

as far as the 1500 yard runner and norv for a coach... that isnt helping your argument at all.

and WTF is Sam doing in this conversation?

Quit using excuses  :)
You whine because Teddy's passing problems was the line and Norv.
Sam got brought up because....He had the same coach as Teddy far less to work with. And he made the passing game look good.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

:) @"JimmyinSD" said: and now you are comparing a 2nd year player with a seasoned vet... okay.

as far as the 1500 yard runner and norv for a coach... that isnt helping your argument at all.

and WTF is Sam doing in this conversation?

Quit using excuses  :)
You whine because Teddy's passing problems was the line and Norv.
Sam got brought up because....He had the same coach as Teddy far less to work with. And he made the passing game look good.

I am not whining... I am stating fact.

as far as Sam having far less to work with?  an emerging Theilen, and Diggs, were without a doubt better than Wallace, and Charles Johnson.   Diggs came on later but got injured right away.  and you cant say that they were in the same offense... Norv backed off the 7 step drops and running on the early downs with Sam (not that it helped much as Sam got the shit kicked out of him anyway, but the offense became much much more QB friendly with Sam)

@"Norse" said: Teddy had 1500 yard runner, a fair line. and Norv for a coach.  Sam had no running back a weaker OL and Norv. And he made all kinds of throws and made the passing game look good. Under tougher conditions.

Pretty sure Shurmur called most the plays with Sam.

Wallace and Wright.  Not bad?  Ha!  Wallace sucks and could only run deep. Were has Wallace excelled since leaving Big Ben in Pittsburgh?  Thielen was a practice squad special teamer that year. If you think that was a good group of WRs... no sense debating anything else.

@"BsuZagVike" said:

@"Norse" said: Teddy had 1500 yard runner, a fair line. and Norv for a coach.  Sam had no running back a weaker OL and Norv. And he made all kinds of throws and made the passing game look good. Under tougher conditions.

Pretty sure Shurmur called most the plays with Sam.

@"Norse" said:

@"BsuZagVike" said:

@"Norse" said: Teddy had 1500 yard runner, a fair line. and Norv for a coach.  Sam had no running back a weaker OL and Norv. And he made all kinds of throws and made the passing game look good. Under tougher conditions.

Pretty sure Shurmur called most the plays with Sam.

I thought it was Norv in the booth until he left??  No??
But even after Norv left it was Norv's offense, Shurmur did change some plays to suit him.
This season you are seeing Shurmur's play calling.

@"greediron" said: Wallace and Wright.  Not bad?  Ha!  Wallace sucks and could only run deep. Were has Wallace excelled since leaving Big Ben in Pittsburgh?  Thielen was a practice squad special teamer that year. If you think that was a good group of WRs... no sense debating anything else.

You don't want to debate me, that's your choice...

@"Norse" said:

@"greediron" said: Wallace and Wright.  Not bad?  Ha!  Wallace sucks and could only run deep. Were has Wallace excelled since leaving Big Ben in Pittsburgh?  Thielen was a practice squad special teamer that year. If you think that was a good group of WRs... no sense debating anything else.

Wright is not a bad WR, No mention of Rudy was Diggs not good? 
How do you think Keenum would be hitting Wallace? He would!!!
Keenum has Diggs and Thielen top 10 WR's 

You don't want to debate me, that's your choice...

 @"greediron" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"greediron" said: Wallace and Wright.  Not bad?  Ha!  Wallace sucks and could only run deep. Were has Wallace excelled since leaving Big Ben in Pittsburgh?  Thielen was a practice squad special teamer that year. If you think that was a good group of WRs... no sense debating anything else.

Wright is not a bad WR, No mention of Rudy was Diggs not good? 
How do you think Keenum would be hitting Wallace? He would!!!
Keenum has Diggs and Thielen top 10 WR's 

You don't want to debate me, that's your choice...

Rudy being a TE, I left him of the WR group. 

Wright isn't bad.  But Wallace, Johnson, Wright?  That isn't even an average group of WRs.  Diggs came in and flashed for a couple of games and then was hurt or struggled against press coverage. 

And your last part could be turned around.  Diggs and Thielen have Case at #3 QBR. 

Instead of throwing out stats, give it the visual test.  What do you see out of Diggs and Thielen.  Consistency.  Catch pretty much everything, run great routes, speed, making difficult catches look routine.  Every week.

What do you see out of Case?  Some great plays followed by some really bad plays.  Dropping dimes and then missing the broad side of the barn.  Luckily most of those bad throws have not hurt us.  Credit Jimmy's lucky horseshoe for that.

@"Norse" said:

 @"greediron" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"greediron" said: Wallace and Wright.  Not bad?  Ha!  Wallace sucks and could only run deep. Were has Wallace excelled since leaving Big Ben in Pittsburgh?  Thielen was a practice squad special teamer that year. If you think that was a good group of WRs... no sense debating anything else.

Wright is not a bad WR, No mention of Rudy was Diggs not good? 
How do you think Keenum would be hitting Wallace? He would!!!
Keenum has Diggs and Thielen top 10 WR's 

You don't want to debate me, that's your choice...

Rudy being a TE, I left him of the WR group. 

Wright isn't bad.  But Wallace, Johnson, Wright?  That isn't even an average group of WRs.  Diggs came in and flashed for a couple of games and then was hurt or struggled against press coverage. 

And your last part could be turned around.  Diggs and Thielen have Case at #3 QBR. 

Instead of throwing out stats, give it the visual test.  What do you see out of Diggs and Thielen.  Consistency.  Catch pretty much everything, run great routes, speed, making difficult catches look routine.  Every week.

What do you see out of Case?  Some great plays followed by some really bad plays.  Dropping dimes and then missing the broad side of the barn.  Luckily most of those bad throws have not hurt us.  Credit Jimmy's lucky horseshoe for that.

The year after Wallace left the Vikings he had 1017 receiving yards. 
You said he wasn't even and average receiver.... ;)

@"Norse" said:

 @"greediron" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"greediron" said: Wallace and Wright.  Not bad?  Ha!  Wallace sucks and could only run deep. Were has Wallace excelled since leaving Big Ben in Pittsburgh?  Thielen was a practice squad special teamer that year. If you think that was a good group of WRs... no sense debating anything else.

Wright is not a bad WR, No mention of Rudy was Diggs not good? 
How do you think Keenum would be hitting Wallace? He would!!!
Keenum has Diggs and Thielen top 10 WR's 

You don't want to debate me, that's your choice...

Rudy being a TE, I left him of the WR group. 

Wright isn't bad.  But Wallace, Johnson, Wright?  That isn't even an average group of WRs.  Diggs came in and flashed for a couple of games and then was hurt or struggled against press coverage. 

And your last part could be turned around.  Diggs and Thielen have Case at #3 QBR. 

Instead of throwing out stats, give it the visual test.  What do you see out of Diggs and Thielen.  Consistency.  Catch pretty much everything, run great routes, speed, making difficult catches look routine.  Every week.

What do you see out of Case?  Some great plays followed by some really bad plays.  Dropping dimes and then missing the broad side of the barn.  Luckily most of those bad throws have not hurt us.  Credit Jimmy's lucky horseshoe for that.

The year after Wallace left the Vikings he had 1017 receiving yards. 
You said he wasn't even and average receiver.... ;)

 @"JimmyinSD" said: I bet his QB had more than .35 seconds to get the ball out.  Wallace is a deep threat,  that takes time and that's something that Teddy rarely had in 2015...and when he did Wallace usually dropped them. 

It was posted that Wallace was a below average receiver.
He had over 1000 yards receiving the year after he left,that is pretty good in my book. 

Diggs Theilen and Wright are the best trio we have had since 3 deep.  The WR are actually being targeted instead of the checking down to the backs and the TE's.  If it is O-line scheme or a combination of both I don't know but Case is really finding those guys and they can be trusted to catch anything catch-able.  Wallace did drop way too many balls while he was here.  I don't think Wallace ever felt comfortable in the offense for whatever reason.

@"Norse" said:

 @"JimmyinSD" said: I bet his QB had more than .35 seconds to get the ball out.  Wallace is a deep threat,  that takes time and that's something that Teddy rarely had in 2015...and when he did Wallace usually dropped them. 

Why Jimmy aren't you just full of excuses....Teddy didn't have time to throw,Wallace dropped passes.  :o

It was posted that Wallace was a below average receiver.
He had over 1000 yards receiving the year after he left,that is pretty good in my book. 

@"PSBLAKE" said: Diggs Theilen and Wright are the best trio we have had since 3 deep.  The WR are actually being targeted instead of the checking down to the backs and the TE's.  If it is O-line scheme or a combination of both I don't know but Case is really finding those guys and they can be trusted to catch anything catch-able.  Wallace did drop way too many balls while he was here.  I don't think Wallace ever felt comfortable in the offense for whatever reason.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

 @"JimmyinSD" said: I bet his QB had more than .35 seconds to get the ball out.  Wallace is a deep threat,  that takes time and that's something that Teddy rarely had in 2015...and when he did Wallace usually dropped them. 

Why Jimmy aren't you just full of excuses....Teddy didn't have time to throw,Wallace dropped passes.  :o

It was posted that Wallace was a below average receiver.
He had over 1000 yards receiving the year after he left,that is pretty good in my book. 

Not excuses...truths.

And wallace did suck at the more physical routes.  I would have thought a fan of the team would have known this already though.

Wallace was hired for his speed, not for physical routes. "As you know"
Is having a 1000 yds as a receiver having a good year?

@"Norse" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

 @"JimmyinSD" said: I bet his QB had more than .35 seconds to get the ball out.  Wallace is a deep threat,  that takes time and that's something that Teddy rarely had in 2015...and when he did Wallace usually dropped them. 

Why Jimmy aren't you just full of excuses....Teddy didn't have time to throw,Wallace dropped passes.  :o

It was posted that Wallace was a below average receiver.
He had over 1000 yards receiving the year after he left,that is pretty good in my book. 

Not excuses...truths.

And wallace did suck at the more physical routes.  I would have thought a fan of the team would have known this already though.

Wallace was hired for his speed, not for physical routes. "As you know"
Is having a 1000 yds as a receiver having a good year?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

 @"JimmyinSD" said: I bet his QB had more than .35 seconds to get the ball out.  Wallace is a deep threat,  that takes time and that's something that Teddy rarely had in 2015...and when he did Wallace usually dropped them. 

Why Jimmy aren't you just full of excuses....Teddy didn't have time to throw,Wallace dropped passes.  :o

It was posted that Wallace was a below average receiver.
He had over 1000 yards receiving the year after he left,that is pretty good in my book. 

Not excuses...truths.

And wallace did suck at the more physical routes.  I would have thought a fan of the team would have known this already though.

Wallace was hired for his speed, not for physical routes. "As you know"
Is having a 1000 yds as a receiver having a good year?

Well, How does that help the conversation since he wasnt able to do it in minny?  And since the conversation really only applies to how th recievers were for Teddy in 2105...I guess not that good.

I would say a productive but limited receiver,  a good reciever can produce in a full route tree.

@"Norse" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

 @"JimmyinSD" said: I bet his QB had more than .35 seconds to get the ball out.  Wallace is a deep threat,  that takes time and that's something that Teddy rarely had in 2015...and when he did Wallace usually dropped them. 

Why Jimmy aren't you just full of excuses....Teddy didn't have time to throw,Wallace dropped passes.  :o

It was posted that Wallace was a below average receiver.
He had over 1000 yards receiving the year after he left,that is pretty good in my book. 

Not excuses...truths.

And wallace did suck at the more physical routes.  I would have thought a fan of the team would have known this already though.

Wallace was hired for his speed, not for physical routes. "As you know"
Is having a 1000 yds as a receiver having a good year?

Well, How does that help the conversation since he wasnt able to do it in minny?  And since the conversation really only applies to how th recievers were for Teddy in 2105...I guess not that good.

I would say a productive but limited receiver,  a good reciever can produce in a full route tree.

Maybe Teddy wasn't  productive for the receivers. Wallace got 1000 yards after he left, so he must be productive.

New day new conversation ....this one is stale.  Tell yourself what ever you want.  :)

Off to fire up the smoker. Have a good day!