Good argument to start Teddy now

@"PapaScott" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: You just can't get this type of insight any old place...

The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.

That is what it boils down to.

Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season. 

Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen. 

What will it take for you to think otherwise?  seriously.  If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum.  And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.

@"PapaScott" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: You just can't get this type of insight any old place...

The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.

That is what it boils down to.

Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season. 

Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen. 

What will it take for you to think otherwise?  seriously.  If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum.  And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.

@"PapaScott" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: You just can't get this type of insight any old place...

The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.

That is what it boils down to.

Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season. 

Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen. 

What will it take for you to think otherwise?  seriously.  If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum.  And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.

Well Jimmy apparently you feel I'm stretching alot lately.  I"m not saying Keenum is this spectacular QB and he is the sole reason the team is winning.  The premise was made that if the Vikings head into the playoffs with Keenum.  If that's the case than it can be assumed that Teddy has not played.  It would be great to see what Teddy can bring to the table.  Like I mentioned above it reminds me of the Bears situation with orton and grossman.  There was really no reason to replace Orton and he was replaced because Grossman had the greater potential.  And I have stated before it's more than one player that is the reason for their success.  So if the Vikings are heading into the playoffs with Keenum then what reason would there be for Teddy not having played?   if had not played and they are in the playoffs than why would you replace keenum?

Case is going to stare down Thielen this Sunday and get picked by Norman.

When it happens the second time everyone here will start calling for his head.

Recent opponents' DBs have been butterfingered as well as beat up. Washington's will be neither.

Keenum is winning in part because he isn't turning the ball over and putting the Defense in bad spots.

But part of that has been luck, which won't last forever.

@"PapaScott" said: Well Jimmy apparently you feel I'm stretching alot lately.  I"m not saying Keenum is this spectacular QB and he is the sole reason the team is winning.  The premise was made that if the Vikings head into the playoffs with Keenum.  If that's the case than it can be assumed that Teddy has not played.  It would be great to see what Teddy can bring to the table.  Like I mentioned above it reminds me of the Bears situation with orton and grossman.  There was really no reason to replace Orton and he was replaced because Grossman had the greater potential.  And I have stated before it's more than one player that is the reason for their success.  So if the Vikings are heading into the playoffs with Keenum then what reason would there be for Teddy not having played?   if had not played and they are in the playoffs than why would you replace keenum?

so if I dont see him taking us to the Superbowl,  then what is the  upside to sticking with Case?   I dont see him as a viable starter after this year, I love his poise and scrambling ability,  but as a passer he doesnt impress.  So if he is set to be a FA,  and I dont see him as a future starting QB that I am going to offer a franchise type contract to... and we have Teddy waiting in the wings that I believe will be a future starter and could be looking at a franchise QB type of contract.... what is the upside to sticking with Case?   We need to see Teddy,  we need to know what is there.  The upside with Teddy is higher than the upside with Case IMO for both this year and beyond.

If Teddy cant at least come in and get us into the playoffs ( basically what I would expect out of Case)  then IMO he isnt worthy of a big money long term deal, but at least we would know that and could enter the offseason accordingly.

@"PapaScott" said: Well Jimmy apparently you feel I'm stretching alot lately.  I"m not saying Keenum is this spectacular QB and he is the sole reason the team is winning.  The premise was made that if the Vikings head into the playoffs with Keenum.  If that's the case than it can be assumed that Teddy has not played.  It would be great to see what Teddy can bring to the table.  Like I mentioned above it reminds me of the Bears situation with orton and grossman.  There was really no reason to replace Orton and he was replaced because Grossman had the greater potential.  And I have stated before it's more than one player that is the reason for their success.  So if the Vikings are heading into the playoffs with Keenum then what reason would there be for Teddy not having played?   if had not played and they are in the playoffs than why would you replace keenum?

Reminds me of '98. Randall Cunningham went nuts in '98 and so the team traded Brad Johnson after the season. I was on the old SportsnYou messageboard back then screaming that the Vikings were trading the wrong damn QB! I didn't trust Cunningham. NOBODY agreed with me. I'm not always right, but I was then. Johnson went on to win a Super Bowl and Cunningham fell off a cliff. 

Keenum has been exactly what we expected him to be. He's not losing games and keeps us in position to win them. But against Baltimore, he couldn't score. We had three field goals by the 3rd quarter. In London, it was late in the 3rd quarter before most of us felt like the NFL's worst team wasn't going to beat us.

I think in this offense, with these weapons and the kind of protection the offensive line has been giving its QB, Teddy Bridgewater could be a franchise QB. He could also never be the same QB post-injury (ala Culpepper). Which one happens none of us can know. To me it boils down to what Arif said: "The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons. But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team. Great teams win Super Bowls."

Teddy has taken limited reps in like a total of 7 practices to date, not a lot of time on task, Imo.

@"Kentis" said: Teddy has taken limited reps in like a total of 7 practices to date, not a lot of time on task, Imo.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Kentis" said: Teddy has taken limited reps in like a total of 7 practices to date, not a lot of time on task, Imo.

but its not like he is walking in cold off the streets.  he knows the offense,  he has played with these receivers,  and he has likely thrown more balls during his rehab than any other QB in the league has thrown this year.  I cant say he is ready for live fire,  but as far as needing a ton of practice time to be ready... I wouldnt bet on it.

@"PapaScott" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: You just can't get this type of insight any old place...

The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.

That is what it boils down to.

Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season. 

Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen. 

What will it take for you to think otherwise?  seriously.  If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum.  And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.

Case has played well, but I wonder if we'd be sitting at 6-2 if our schedule was in reverse. I'm not so sure we would be. We lack firepower on O (that's mainly due to Dalvin's injury) and the D has a fair bit of room for improvement as well. All things considered, having Case has certainly propelled us to this record because I don't think Heinicke could have done it nor can anyone expect Sloter to have put us where we are at this point in his career.
We were a nearly complete team in my eyes in game 1. We haven't been since, but that's not to say we can't improve. The single most important thing that needs to happen is for our O to pick things up more. We can't settle for multiple field goals. We need to keep our defense fresh. As much as I'd like to say that our D could carry us, they can't. Can Teddy be the spark? I don't know if he can but I'd really, really love to see what #5 can do with this improved O-line.  This doesn't mean I want Case to fail. Like others have said, I don't feel like we need an excuse to replace Case with Teddy. 

@"HappyViking" said:

@"PapaScott" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: You just can't get this type of insight any old place...

The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.

That is what it boils down to.

Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season. 

Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen. 

What will it take for you to think otherwise?  seriously.  If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum.  And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.

Scott, do you really see Case as "leading this team"?  I know I don't.  I see the defense leading the team, and an OLine giving Case enough of a running game to make his play action passing effective.

I like the way Case has stepped in, and he has done his job as a backup QB well.  I just think (and hope) Teddy can bring the offense to another level.  We have a top tier defense, and having an offense at a high level of play would make this team scary good.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"PapaScott" said: Well Jimmy apparently you feel I'm stretching alot lately.  I"m not saying Keenum is this spectacular QB and he is the sole reason the team is winning.  The premise was made that if the Vikings head into the playoffs with Keenum.  If that's the case than it can be assumed that Teddy has not played.  It would be great to see what Teddy can bring to the table.  Like I mentioned above it reminds me of the Bears situation with orton and grossman.  There was really no reason to replace Orton and he was replaced because Grossman had the greater potential.  And I have stated before it's more than one player that is the reason for their success.  So if the Vikings are heading into the playoffs with Keenum then what reason would there be for Teddy not having played?   if had not played and they are in the playoffs than why would you replace keenum?

no.... pretty much everybody that says to play Teddy as soon as he is ready is willing to concede many points favoring keenum, one of which is that Keenum could likely still get this team into the playoffs.  With that said... is that the goal of this Vikings team,  to make the playoffs?  I personally had much higher hopes for this group of assembled talent and still do.  I think this team,  with better QB play,  is a Superbowl contender.  So yes the team can make the playoffs with Case IMO,  but I dont see him being able to win 3 or 4 straight games against top tier talent. I'm pretty sure the goal of this team is too win the division, win the NFC and win the superbowl.  I certainly am not hoping they just get to the playoffs I want them to win it all (I think that's a common goal)  If Case is good enough to get the team to the playoffs he's good enough to get them to the Superbowl and I say that because of the daunting schedule they have the second half of the season.  Is Teddy an upgrade? we don't know, it's not a given.  To cast aside Case because Teddy has a better upside, is most certainly a Orton/Grossman situation.  I want the Vikings to have home field advantage throughout the playoffs, however we get there is my desire.  I'm just not willing to take a 6-2 team and experiment with it.

so if I dont see him taking us to the Superbowl,  then what is the  upside to sticking with Case?  gee how about 8-0 with a first round bye and home field advantage throughout the playoffs, it's unlikely but possible. I dont see him as a viable starter after this year, I love his poise and scrambling ability,  but as a passer he doesnt impress.  So if he is set to be a FA,  and I dont see him as a future starting QB that I am going to offer a franchise type contract to... and we have Teddy waiting in the wings that I believe will be a future starter and could be looking at a franchise QB type of contract.... what is the upside to sticking with Case?   We need to see Teddy,  we need to know what is there.  The upside with Teddy is higher than the upside with Case IMO for both this year and beyond.  
I'm pretty sure the Vikings are focused on this year and will let the chips fall where they may.  Go back and listen to zimmer giving Case the game ball after one of those games.  Case has exceeded expectations it's great that the Vikings are sitting in the position that they are and have the luxury of a capable and comparable qb who has played in the OC's system.  Teddy has not, has not played in a year and a half and with his injury I would not be so willing to give him a Franchise type contract.  I don't think you play Teddy until you absolutely have to.  Maybe we will see him run the wildcat this week.   The goal is to win the superbowl not to see which qb you should sign to a franchise contract.

If Teddy cant at least come in and get us into the playoffs ( basically what I would expect out of Case)  then IMO he isnt worthy of a big money long term deal, but at least we would know that and could enter the offseason accordingly.

@"Bolstad79" said:

@"PapaScott" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: You just can't get this type of insight any old place...

The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.

That is what it boils down to.

Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season. 

Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen. 

What will it take for you to think otherwise?  seriously.  If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum.  And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.

I'm going to look at it as a Brock Oswiler Denver Broncos situation.  Brock replacing an injured Manning and doing well, only to get replaced by Manning and the Defense winning a Super bowl.

I wonder what will happen if Sam comes back for the playoffs....

And it's a good thing we are not coaching this team, We would already be in negative yardage with several delay of game penalties and too many men on the field

It seems that if Case looses it will be his fault.  And if Teddy looses it will probably be the teams fault and start tallying the excuses.

I don't feel it would be good to start Teddy against the Rams. Them and the Eagles are the hottest teams in the NFC. 
Hopefully Zimmer has a plan to build Teddy's confidence. And get him back in the game.

@"PapaScott" said:

@"Bolstad79" said:

@"PapaScott" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: You just can't get this type of insight any old place...

The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.

That is what it boils down to.

Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season. 

Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen. 

What will it take for you to think otherwise?  seriously.  If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum.  And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.

I'm going to look at it as a Brock Oswiler Denver Broncos situation.  Brock replacing an injured Manning and doing well, only to get replaced by Manning and the Defense winning a Super bowl.

Teddy Bridgewater is no Payton Manning if Teddy was anywhere near Payton we would not be having the discussion

@"Bolstad79" said:

@"PapaScott" said:

@"Bolstad79" said:

@"PapaScott" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: You just can't get this type of insight any old place...

The Vikings have a good team with a talented, productive offense driven by a bevy of skilled offensive weapons.But, if the quarterback situation is improved, the Vikings could have a great team.
Great teams win Super Bowls.

That is what it boils down to.

Just looking around the interwebs and other fan comment sites, I'm pretty shocked to discover just how many people think we'd be better off with Keenum. Not just Keenum should start Sunday, but for the rest of the season. 

Folks, if we find ourselves heading into the playoffs with Keenum as our QB and Teddy having not yet played a game, we will not go far. We cannot let that happen. 

What will it take for you to think otherwise?  seriously.  If the Vikings find themselves heading into the playoffs with keenum it will in large part because of keenum.  And if Keenum leads the Vikings to the playoffs why would you want to mess with that? It reminds me of Kyle Orton Who took over for an injured Rex Grossman did nothing but allow the Bears to win the divison and a first round bye to then be replaced by Grossman and preceded to lose their first game in the playoffs.

I'm going to look at it as a Brock Oswiler Denver Broncos situation.  Brock replacing an injured Manning and doing well, only to get replaced by Manning and the Defense winning a Super bowl.

Teddy Bridgewater is no Payton Manning if Teddy was anywhere near Payton we would not be having the discussion

Peyton Manning wasn't Peyton Manning that year.