Will Texans kick the Kaepernick tire?
Rudderless Texans Need Colin Kaepernick, or Risk Sinking Potential Super SeasonWhat we saw with the Houston Texans on Sunday wasn't just a glimpse of life without Deshaun Watson. It was a team wasting everything. Wasting its talent. Wasting its time. Wasting your time.
Tom Savage isn't a quarterback. He's a punch line. How many Texans linemen does it take to screw in a light bulb? Two: One to screw in the light bulb, the other to recover the pieces after Tom Savage fumbles it.
At one point in the second half of the Texans' 20-14 loss to the Colts, Savage was 9-for-29 for 96 yards and a quarterback rating of 41.7. This was against the 31st-ranked pass defense in the league. All in all, Indianapolis has one of the sorriest defenses in football and all Savage could do was muster one touchdown and a passer rating of 66.4.
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A team in desperation probably will take a hard look at Kaepernick...
yeah.... because Kapernick is the guy to save the season... better than Savage, no doubt, but lets be honest... that team is toast and all kapernick will do is screw up their draft pick at this point and create a media shit storm around the team.
@"JimmyinSD" said: yeah.... because Kapernick is the guy to save the season... better than Savage, no doubt, but lets be honest... that team is toast and all kapernick will do is screw up their draft pick at this point and create a media shit storm around the team.Why would you assume that Kap is "no doubt" better than Savage? Savage can improve (not saying he will)... but we know what Kap WAS... and there's "no doubt" in my mind that he's (at this point) nowhere near what he was- even on his bad days.
That being said, I would take great delight in watching Kap get signed... start... and be the reason why a team's season goes down the toilet. THEN- hopefully- we'll never hear "Team X must sign Kap... or they're racists!" again.
@"pumpf" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: yeah.... because Kapernick is the guy to save the season... better than Savage, no doubt, but lets be honest... that team is toast and all kapernick will do is screw up their draft pick at this point and create a media shit storm around the team. Why would you assume that Kap is "no doubt" better than Savage? Savage can improve (not saying he will)... but we know what Kap WAS... and there's "no doubt" in my mind that he's (at this point) nowhere near what he was- even on his bad days.That being said, I would take great delight in watching Kap get signed... start... and be the reason why a team's season goes down the toilet. THEN- hopefully- we'll never hear "Team X must sign Kap... or they're racists!" again.
because Kap has shown much better in the past, I was never a fan of his, but he is a good backup/lower starter level guy and Savage hasnt shown that ability to date.however... we are entering week 10 of the season, assuming it would take Kap at least 2 weeks to get up to speed with the system they are looking at getting him in there by week 12 at the earliest which leave him 6 games. I am saying that they would see .500 over the next 2 games with a road game at the rams and home for the cardinals, and basically they would be looking at a split over the last 6 games to get them to 7 wins... that isnt going to get them anywhere so why bother? in the same division as the jags they might as well start looking at the draft and ways to improve their team for next year.
I actually see this team as a 6 win team regardless of who is playing QB, they have the niners, cards, and colts left on their schedule, the rest are likely losses even with the great kapernick.
Say what you will about Kaep, but he got his team to the Super Bowl. He has talent. Not sure how anyone with a straight face can possibly say he isn't being blackballed by the league. He most assuredly is. Whether that's proven in a court of law, who knows?
Is he great? Probably not. But he beats the crap out of who some of these teams have signed the last year or so.
@"StickyBun" said: Say what you will about Kaep, but he got his team to the Super Bowl. He has talent. Not sure how anyone with a straight face can possibly say he isn't being blackballed by the league. He most assuredly is. Whether that's proven in a court of law, who knows?Is he great? Probably not. But he beats the crap out of who some of these teams have signed the last year or so.
kap ceased to be much of a consistent threat when the league said the wildcat/read option QBs didnt have the protections of the Qb position. once he started to get hit more often his game when to shit IMO. and he didnt help himself any by messing with his diet and losing all that weight/muscle mass.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Say what you will about Kaep, but he got his team to the Super Bowl. He has talent. Not sure how anyone with a straight face can possibly say he isn't being blackballed by the league. He most assuredly is. Whether that's proven in a court of law, who knows?Is he great? Probably not. But he beats the crap out of who some of these teams have signed the last year or so.
kap ceased to be much of a consistent threat when the league said the wildcat/read option QBs didnt have the protections of the Qb position. once he started to get hit more often his game when to shit IMO. and he didnt help himself any by messing with his diet and losing all that weight/muscle mass.
Yes to all that......and he most definitely should have a backup job somewhere if you are talking from a football standpoint. But he doesn't and its all political. Honestly, I think teams should be allowed to sign or not sign who they want. I don't care if Kaep gets a job or not. But if the question is should he from a football standpoint, the answer is overwhelmingly of course.
Kaepernick is better than a 1/3 of the starters playing in the NFL right now. I just don't see anyone signing him at this point. He'd have to come in cold, learn a new offense, deal with all the media distraction, and he'd likely have to be a backup, and sign for peanuts, neither of which I think he's prepared to do.
I do think Savage will improve though. He actually started to settle down a bit as the game went on, finishing 10 for 16, 130 yards and a TD, but he was god-awful in the beginning. His passes were just WAY off. Savage looked good this summer. He actually beat out Watson for the starting job and was pulled in the first game because he has ZERO mobility behind Houston's terrible OL. Texans have to adjust to that with more of a quick strike passing game and they haven't done that.
Quarterback-desperate Texans ink Josh Johnson
Texans signed QB Josh Johnson.
Matt McGloin has been waived in a corresponding roster move. Bouncing around the back end of 53-man rosters for years, 31-year-old Johnson hasn't attempted a regular season pass since 2011. The Texans are shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. There's only one free agent quarterback capable of helping them, and they don't seem interested. Tom Savage and whoever else ends up making starts down the stretch will sink Deshaun Watson's ship.
@"StickyBun" said: Say what you will about Kaep, but he got his team to the Super Bowl. He has talent. Not sure how anyone with a straight face can possibly say he isn't being blackballed by the league. He most assuredly is. Whether that's proven in a court of law, who knows?Is he great? Probably not. But he beats the crap out of who some of these teams have signed the last year or so.
The same could be said of Tebow. If you agree that he was black-balled... then I'll agree that Kap is.
As for getting a team to the Super Bowl... he "got them there" the same as Dilfer did: with a great supporting cast.
@"MaroonBells" said: Kaepernick is better than a 1/3 of the starters playing in the NFL right now. I just don't see anyone signing him at this point. He'd have to come in cold, learn a new offense, deal with all the media distraction, and he'd likely have to be a backup, and sign for peanuts, neither of which I think he's prepared to do.I do think Savage will improve though. He actually started to settle down a bit as the game went on, finishing 10 for 16, 130 yards and a TD, but he was god-awful in the beginning. His passes were just WAY off. Savage looked good this summer. He actually beat out Watson for the starting job and was pulled in the first game because he has ZERO mobility behind Houston's terrible OL. Texans have to adjust to that with more of a quick strike passing game and they haven't done that.
1/3? If you're serious about that (and not being hyperbolic), I'd love to hear the 11 starting QB's you think he's better than! :)
@"pumpf" said:@"StickyBun" said: Say what you will about Kaep, but he got his team to the Super Bowl. He has talent. Not sure how anyone with a straight face can possibly say he isn't being blackballed by the league. He most assuredly is. Whether that's proven in a court of law, who knows?Is he great? Probably not. But he beats the crap out of who some of these teams have signed the last year or so.
The same could be said of Tebow. If you agree that he was black-balled... then I'll agree that Kap is.
As for getting a team to the Super Bowl... he "got them there" the same as Dilfer did: with a great supporting cast.
pumpf...c'mon. Your agenda is showing. Tebow sucked. Kaep played some great football, Tebow NEVER did. Its a joke. Don't even go there with freaking Tebow. Kaep certainly wasn't consistent the last year or so he played, but the Tebow comparison is so ridiculous. What does Tebow have to do with Kaep anyway?
I was in San Francisco for 4 years and watched Kaepernick come into the league and the ensuing dramas.
Hindsight 20/20 etc. but San Francisco made several mistakes along the way. Letting Alex Smith go was the start. Then as Kaepernick got more successful problems came up. I left right before that.
I heard several times that after the Superbowl run Kaep my friends felt that he spent more time doing magazine shoots and interviews than he spent working on his game, even skipping OTAs.
Then he didnt get along well with Harbough and we know where he went. After that Kaep’s performance started to slide.
Things would be different if they kept Smith and Harbough
@"pumpf" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Kaepernick is better than a 1/3 of the starters playing in the NFL right now. I just don't see anyone signing him at this point. He'd have to come in cold, learn a new offense, deal with all the media distraction, and he'd likely have to be a backup, and sign for peanuts, neither of which I think he's prepared to do.I do think Savage will improve though. He actually started to settle down a bit as the game went on, finishing 10 for 16, 130 yards and a TD, but he was god-awful in the beginning. His passes were just WAY off. Savage looked good this summer. He actually beat out Watson for the starting job and was pulled in the first game because he has ZERO mobility behind Houston's terrible OL. Texans have to adjust to that with more of a quick strike passing game and they haven't done that.
1/3? If you're serious about that (and not being hyperbolic), I'd love to hear the 11 starting QB's you think he's better than! :)
How's this:Beathard, McCown, Keenum, Bortles, Brissett, Savage, Hundley, Osweiler, Kizer, Trubiski, Taylor, Stanton....
There's 12. Lets start with that. Care to argue with any of those?
I didn't think so.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Kaepernick is better than a 1/3 of the starters playing in the NFL right now. I just don't see anyone signing him at this point. He'd have to come in cold, learn a new offense, deal with all the media distraction, and he'd likely have to be a backup, and sign for peanuts, neither of which I think he's prepared to do.I do think Savage will improve though. He actually started to settle down a bit as the game went on, finishing 10 for 16, 130 yards and a TD, but he was god-awful in the beginning. His passes were just WAY off. Savage looked good this summer. He actually beat out Watson for the starting job and was pulled in the first game because he has ZERO mobility behind Houston's terrible OL. Texans have to adjust to that with more of a quick strike passing game and they haven't done that.
1/3? If you're serious about that (and not being hyperbolic), I'd love to hear the 11 starting QB's you think he's better than! :)
How's this:Beathard, McCown, Keenum, Bortles, Brissett, Savage, Hundley, Osweiler, Kizer, Trubiski, Taylor, Stanton....
There's 12. Lets start with that. Care to argue with any of those?
I didn't think so.
how many of those were backups to start the season? at that time young collin still fancied himself as a starting QB and was holding out for such gig. a team cant be faulted for sticking with the backups that went through the offseason and training camp, and /or has familiarity in the offense. not to mention ones that arent going to piss off half their ticket holders. that list you threw up there are all back ups or rookies that were not likely intended to start.
I ignored the politics completely around Kaep until just this year.
Without much in the way of details, I always thought it was just a case of a benched player showing off a bruised ego and needing some attention back.
I saw him play terrible a few times, and was surprised by how he had apparently been figured out by defenses. Now, his defenders tell me it was all due to nagging injuries as they wax rhapsodic about his amazing skill level.
I don't recall anyone praising his ability when he was stinking up the field. At that time it was okay for color guys to tell the truth about his crappy play. Not anymore. This is racism, BTW.
I also call BS on Pete Carrol saying he couldn't sign him because 'he's a starting QB'.
I was a big fan when he single-handedly creamed Green Bay in the playoffs. Run left, run right, too fast. Holy Cow amazing. I get it.
Now, I don't care if he ever plays another down.
And what team would want to take on his new baggage? Only to be called racist if he isn't made the immediate starter?
So far, none of them.
@"kahsmick" said: I ignored the politics completely around Kaep until just this year.Without much in the way of details, I always thought it was just a case of a benched player showing off a bruised ego and needing some attention back.
I saw him play terrible a few times, and was surprised by how he had apparently been figured out by defenses. Now, his defenders tell me it was all due to nagging injuries as they wax rhapsodic about his amazing skill level.
I don't recall anyone praising his ability when he was stinking up the field. At that time it was okay for color guys to tell the truth about his crappy play. Not anymore. This is racism, BTW.
I also call BS on Pete Carrol saying he couldn't sign him because 'he's a starting QB'.
I was a big fan when he single-handedly creamed Green Bay in the playoffs. Run left, run right, too fast. Holy Cow amazing. I get it.
Now, I don't care if he ever plays another down.
And what team would want to take on his new baggage? Only to be called racist if he isn't made the immediate starter?
So far, none of them.
good players lose sponsorship dollars when they make unpopular decisions/stands.... bad players lose their careers... I guess the market has decided on kaepernicks skill level for us.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Say what you will about Kaep, but he got his team to the Super Bowl. He has talent. Not sure how anyone with a straight face can possibly say he isn't being blackballed by the league. He most assuredly is. Whether that's proven in a court of law, who knows?Is he great? Probably not. But he beats the crap out of who some of these teams have signed the last year or so.
kap ceased to be much of a consistent threat when the league said the wildcat/read option QBs didnt have the protections of the Qb position. once he started to get hit more often his game when to shit IMO. and he didnt help himself any by messing with his diet and losing all that weight/muscle mass.I wouldn't say that his game has gone to shit. As recently as last year, Kaepernick threw for 16 TDs against only 4 INTs and rushed for another 2 scores for a QB rating of 90.7. He is easily better than many of the QBs that teams are trotting out there right now.
And now that dozens and dozens of players around the league have also not stood for the national anthem, why is Kaepernick the only one who seems so polarizing? Because he was the first, or a QB? Say what you will, but he made a very unpopular decision to stand up (no pun intended) for what he believed in and has also put his money where his mouth is by donating $1 mil to organizations working in oppressed communities. I can think of a lot worse going on in America right now than that.
The irony of this whole situation is that the league that allegedly won't allow Kaep back in for his politics is simultaneously supporting his politics...the kneel downs continue on, right? Entire teams have done the kneel down. Our own team has done the 'stand with arms linked' version.
I'm no Kaepernick fan. I don't think he's that great of a player. However, I do think he is better than Brett Hundley, Deshone Kizer, Brock Osweiler, Jacoby Brissett and Tom Savage. Clearly, teams like the Broncos, Colts, and Browns could have benefited from having him on their roster in week 1(though didn't he balk at playing for the Browns?? lol)
So, how bad of a player is Kaep, really?? If the league (Roger boy) continues to be vague and/or avoid any committing dialogue either way on the subject of the protests I'd say we'll never know. My own feelings for Kaep and the anthem protests aside, I'd have to say that if Kaep was a player on par skill-wise with a second tier dude like Cousins, Newton, Taylor, or Dalton, for example, he'd be playing (and protesting) right now in this QB driven league. So, there's that...
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