You are the GM -- what do you do?
There are a lot of opinions out there in the QB situation comparing the relative merits of Bradford, Bridgewater and Keenum. but put yourself in Speilman's shoes -- what do you do? You could stay out of the fray, let Zimmer manage this, and deal with the consequences in the offseason. more likely you would want some say in the matter, given the potential long term effects on the franchise depending on how things play out. If i were Spielman, i'd insist that the team get a look at TB in game action this season. i would not want to be in a position in the offseason having to figure out whether to make a commitment to TB without some serious post-injury data points. You can make a strong case that Bradford now has sealed his iwn fate -- regardless of how brilliant he plays, are you really going to trust a guy going forward who will miss a half a season or more based on non-contact knee soreness in a twice operated knee? i dont think so. You can equally say that you know what you have in Case, and its likely not worthy of a franchise quarterback committment. that leaves the need to play TB in order figure out how to approach the offseason
Of course the complicating factor is that the Vikings appear playoff bound with a real shot at making some noise in the playoffs. the Super Bowl is not out of the question. Case is winning and if TB flops, the stakes are very high.
I would give myself a long overdue raise.
Not sure it is the GMs job to say who starts, other than to make sure the coach knows you need to find out what you have in TB for next year.
IMO, it is a no lose proposition, Case is a good backup but knows his role. If Teddy is able to use the whole playbook and protect himself, then there is no reason to not find a spot to start him.
@"greediron" said: I would give myself a long overdue raise.Not sure it is the GMs job to say who starts, other than to make sure the coach knows you need to find out what you have in TB for next year.
IMO, it is a no lose proposition, Case is a good backup but knows his role. If Teddy is able to use the whole playbook and protect himself, then there is no reason to not find a spot to start him.
Yea that is the way I see it.
Sam is out of the equation for any extension next year so it comes down to finding out more on Teddy. Then we will also have to decide on keeping Case and at what price because he might get a decent offer from somewhere else. Sloter is developmental but I think we are looking in the top couple rounds for a QB as well.
If I am Spelly I really want to see what we have in Teddy as soon as he is physically cleared and mentally cleared by the coaches. I don't think getting Teddy to start would upset the apple cart one iota, in fact, I think he would give a significant boost to the entire team. Now if he comes out and isn't playing well then we have Case who is capable and we can blame Teddy's slow start to rehab....but as GM, there are some tough decisions looming after this season.
If i'm the GM I want Coach doing whatever he can to win this season. I really think the QB situation will straighten itself out through events that occur on the field.
Note that I'm a huge Bridgewater Bobo.
How about this hypothetical... What if Teddy doesn't play this year and the team rides the Case wagon.
What leverage does Teddy have? Would it not be in Teddy's best interests, at that point, to stick with familiarity (say a one or two year deal) and prove he is worth a mega contract?
How big of a deal could Teddy realistically fetch with zero documented proof, outside of what the Vikings know, that he is physically and mentally going to be able to perform at a high level again (honest question here)? And would that deal be too "rich" for the Vikings to match/outbid? If it is, wouldn't that indicate the team has some serious doubts about his future?
Entirely possible I'm the naive one here, wouldn't be the first time... Lol! But, if it's me, you play Case and bring Teddy in if the ride starts to get bumpy.
@"LabGeek" said: Note that I'm a huge Bridgewater Bobo.How about this hypothetical... What if Teddy doesn't play this year and the team rides the Case wagon.
What leverage does Teddy have? Would it not be in Teddy's best interests, at that point, to stick with familiarity (say a one or two year deal) and prove he is worth a mega contract?
How big of a deal could Teddy realistically fetch with zero documented proof, outside of what the Vikings know, that he is physically and mentally going to be able to perform at a high level again (honest question here)? And would that deal be too "rich" for the Vikings to match/outbid? If it is, wouldn't that indicate the team has some serious doubts about his future?
Entirely possible I'm the naive one here, wouldn't be the first time... Lol! But, if it's me, you play Case and bring Teddy in if the ride starts to get bumpy.
That has some merit as long as they keep winning with Case. The first bad game without him getting on the field would likely start a shit storm unless they brought Teddy in. I'd take the first semi obvious chance to get Teddy snaps and see how it goes.
Would it be possible to let Keenum continue to start the games, and if the Vikings have a two-to-three TD lead late into the third or fourth quarter, bring in Bridgewater to get some game time action. I like Bradford and he should continue to rest for the playoffs, or if the season is in jeopardy.
When the playoffs begin, and if the Vikings are in it, hopefully, all three QBs are ready to go. Let each one know they could go in, because depending on the situation, they may have to go in. I imagine teams would be caught off-guard if a QB they didn't prepare for came in during the second half.
This is a unique year. The SB is in Minnesota and the Vikings have a good shot at making the playoffs. They should do anything possible to first make it into the playoffs, win in the playoffs, and take home the Championship in Minnesota.
During the off-season, that's where Rick is going to have to make some tough decisions.
@"LabGeek" said: Note that I'm a huge Bridgewater Bobo.How about this hypothetical... What if Teddy doesn't play this year and the team rides the Case wagon.
What leverage does Teddy have? Would it not be in Teddy's best interests, at that point, to stick with familiarity (say a one or two year deal) and prove he is worth a mega contract?
How big of a deal could Teddy realistically fetch with zero documented proof, outside of what the Vikings know, that he is physically and mentally going to be able to perform at a high level again (honest question here)? And would that deal be too "rich" for the Vikings to match/outbid? If it is, wouldn't that indicate the team has some serious doubts about his future?
Entirely possible I'm the naive one here, wouldn't be the first time... Lol! But, if it's me, you play Case and bring Teddy in if the ride starts to get bumpy.
I dont think you want to insult the kid. far to many teams in need of a QB that would take a flyer on Teddy including his hometown team.
Play the kid or dont play the kid, but you better be prepare to tag him or lose him if you dont come to him right.
As Denny used to say you dont lose your job due to injury. Teddy plays, probably the 2nd half of the LA game. Wins it for us with a 2 min drive. Thank you very very much Case, we trust you, we love you, but it is Teddy’s time to fulfill his destiny.
2018 - TEDDY, Kyle, 4th Round Draft pick
I appreciate how well Case has played for us but I want to see what Teddy can do with this O-line protecting him. I totally expect some rust but when all is said and done it could very well set the stage for the best yet from Teddy.
@"LabGeek" said: Note that I'm a huge Bridgewater Bobo.How about this hypothetical... What if Teddy doesn't play this year and the team rides the Case wagon.
What leverage does Teddy have? Would it not be in Teddy's best interests, at that point, to stick with familiarity (say a one or two year deal) and prove he is worth a mega contract?
How big of a deal could Teddy realistically fetch with zero documented proof, outside of what the Vikings know, that he is physically and mentally going to be able to perform at a high level again (honest question here)? And would that deal be too "rich" for the Vikings to match/outbid? If it is, wouldn't that indicate the team has some serious doubts about his future?
Entirely possible I'm the naive one here, wouldn't be the first time... Lol! But, if it's me, you play Case and bring Teddy in if the ride starts to get bumpy.
This also depends on how far the "Case wagon" goes. If we get to the playoffs with Case and win even one game, the Vikings have to give Keenum a significant multi-year contract. Then, why would Bridgewater stick around?
@"Skodin" said: As Denny used to say you dont lose your job due to injury. Teddy plays, probably the 2nd half of the LA game. Wins it for us with a 2 min drive. Thank you very very much Case, we trust you, we love you, but it is Teddy’s time to fulfill his destiny.2018 - TEDDY, Kyle, 4th Round Draft pick
My attitude completely. If Bridgewater is healthy enough to be activated and play, he starts. Start him November 12 in Washington.
Maybe I missed something here, but I was under the impression that Teddy's contract has tolled for next year because he was on the PUP for the first 6 weeks of the season. It's now week 9 and he's still not active. If that's true, we don't NEED to see him this year. He'll be under contract and we'll be able to see him plenty next year at like 1.6 million or something close to it. Or has this assumption been proven incorrect? I know that PA will probably fight it, but I haven't heard it was decided the other way yet.
Case is not a franchise QB but he's getting the job done and doing it pretty damn well. Expecting perfection out of him or we'll replace him is a bit harsh, IMO. If we lose a game, you lose your job? As an example - What if we lose 30-27? I'm saying the D lost the game, not Case. We've won 5 games because of Case stepping up and I think he's being treated a bit unfairly by the fans. In my opinion he's earned some rope. Let's be honest, Teddy could be WAY worse than Case. Just for the simple fact that he hasn't played the game, at game speed, since Jesus was a baby. We don't know how mobile he is. He WAS mobile, before the injury. But that doesn't mean he is now, wearing that brace. We don't know if he's going to be seeing ghosts out there. Chances are, his timing with the receivers is going to be off. We don't know how he's going to play in this system. All we can do is make assumptions based on nearly 1 1/2 year old memories. I can't pick up golf clubs after 6 months off and play like I did the fall before. Expecting Teddy to be who he was, after 1 1/2 years off is a bit unrealistic. And if he's bad for a game or two, then what? We've hurt the teams position because we have fond memories or because we like 1 guy over another?
Long story short. You don't fix, what isn't broken. You stay with Case until he's injured or until desperate times call for desperate measures. The team is playing well, putting up points and we have a shut down D. This isn't the time to experiment.
@"AllBS" said: Maybe I missed something here, but I was under the impression that Teddy's contract has tolled for next year because he was on the PUP for the first 6 weeks of the season. It's now week 9 and he's still not active. If that's true, we don't NEED to see him this year. He'll be under contract and we'll be able to see him plenty next year at like 1.6 million or something close to it. Or has this assumption been proven incorrect? I know that PA will probably fight it, but I haven't heard it was decided the other way yet.Case is not a franchise QB but he's getting the job done and doing it pretty damn well. Expecting perfection out of him or we'll replace him is a bit harsh, IMO. If we lose a game, you lose your job? As an example - What if we lose 30-27? I'm saying the D lost the game, not Case. We've won 5 games because of Case stepping up and I think he's being treated a bit unfairly by the fans. In my opinion he's earned some rope. Let's be honest, Teddy could be WAY worse than Case. Just for the simple fact that he hasn't played the game, at game speed, since Jesus was a baby. We don't know how mobile he is. He WAS mobile, before the injury. But that doesn't mean he is now, wearing that brace. We don't know if he's going to be seeing ghosts out there. Chances are, his timing with the receivers is going to be off. We don't know how he's going to play in this system. All we can do is make assumptions based on nearly 1 1/2 year old memories. I can't pick up golf clubs after 6 months off and play like I did the fall before. Expecting Teddy to be who he was, after 1 1/2 years off is a bit unrealistic. And if he's bad for a game or two, then what? We've hurt the teams position because we have fond memories or because we like 1 guy over another?
Long story short. You don't fix, what isn't broken. You stay with Case until he's injured or until desperate times call for desperate measures. The team is playing well, putting up points and we have a shut down D. This isn't the time to experiment.
It only tolls if he's not activated this year, which it definitely looks like he will be. Teddy will not be under contract next year unless we sign him.
I just don’t think there’s much risk in starting Bridgewater
if he’s ready. Our offense, right now is
a very conservative, don’t screw it up offense with a couple nice passes thrown
in there. Bridgewater has already shown
that he can do that. I just don’t buy
into the notion that putting Bridgewater in there would screw up the chemistry
of the team or anything like that.
I would like to see Bridgewater get at least 4 starts the
rest of the regular season to clarify our decision making process going into
next season, provided he looks good in practice. If I thought there was a chance that we’d
fail to make the playoffs by switching or something I’d go with Keenum, but I
think it’s equally likely that we lose some of these upcoming games with Keenum
on the road as it is that we’d lose them with Bridgewater starting.
There are other factors that make this even more introguing. If Sam is healthy, i still say he is our best chance for this season. if you acrivate Tesdy and keep Sam on the active roster, you are almost forced to expose Sloter to waivers. In that scenario, you could argue the Vikings are best served keeping Teddy in PUP, letting his contract toll, and going with Sam/Case/Sloter for the rest of the year. if you dont think Sam is going to be healthy/playong soon, you put Sam on IR so you can roll with Teddy/Case/Kyle and not be forced to waived Sloter or kill your roster by careying 4 QBs.
@"Purpleblooded" said: There are other factors that make this even more introguing. If Sam is healthy, i still say he is our best chance for this season. if you acrivate Tesdy and keep Sam on the active roster, you are almost forced to expose Sloter to waivers. In that scenario, you could argue the Vikings are best served keeping Teddy in PUP, letting his contract toll, and going with Sam/Case/Sloter for the rest of the year. if you dont think Sam is going to be healthy/playong soon, you put Sam on IR so you can roll with Teddy/Case/Kyle and not be forced to waived Sloter or kill your roster by careying 4 QBs.IMO if Sam were healthy, he would already be playing. After watching him vs the Bears, I don't think that is going to happen this year. I bet Sam goes to IR.
@"AllBS" said:Case is not a franchise QB but he's getting the job done and doing it pretty damn well. Expecting perfection out of him or we'll replace him is a bit harsh, IMO. If we lose a game, you lose your job?
You're painting a black and white picture in world full of gray. I'm sure the coaching staff is smart enough to see beyond wins and losses. If Case is playing well, consistently going through his progressions, consistently hitting his open receivers, not turning the ball over, there's a decent chance he will remain the QB. But he probably can't afford to have the kind of 1st half he had against the Browns.
@"Purpleblooded" said: There are other factors that make this even more introguing. If Sam is healthy, i still say he is our best chance for this season. if you acrivate Tesdy and keep Sam on the active roster, you are almost forced to expose Sloter to waivers. In that scenario, you could argue the Vikings are best served keeping Teddy in PUP, letting his contract toll, and going with Sam/Case/Sloter for the rest of the year. if you dont think Sam is going to be healthy/playong soon, you put Sam on IR so you can roll with Teddy/Case/Kyle and not be forced to waived Sloter or kill your roster by careying 4 QBs.If you send a healthy teddy to the IR and try and toll him you will end up in court and likely lose IMO. Maybe not on the contract for 1 more year, but you will surely lose Teddy and potentially other players on you roster and future potential free agents.
@"greediron" said:@"Purpleblooded" said: There are other factors that make this even more introguing. If Sam is healthy, i still say he is our best chance for this season. if you acrivate Tesdy and keep Sam on the active roster, you are almost forced to expose Sloter to waivers. In that scenario, you could argue the Vikings are best served keeping Teddy in PUP, letting his contract toll, and going with Sam/Case/Sloter for the rest of the year. if you dont think Sam is going to be healthy/playong soon, you put Sam on IR so you can roll with Teddy/Case/Kyle and not be forced to waived Sloter or kill your roster by careying 4 QBs. IMO if Sam were healthy, he would already be playing. After watching him vs the Bears, I don't think that is going to happen this year. I bet Sam goes to IR.I'm fairly certain that has been the plan for awhile now.
@"Ponifan" said:@"greediron" said:@"Purpleblooded" said: There are other factors that make this even more introguing. If Sam is healthy, i still say he is our best chance for this season. if you acrivate Tesdy and keep Sam on the active roster, you are almost forced to expose Sloter to waivers. In that scenario, you could argue the Vikings are best served keeping Teddy in PUP, letting his contract toll, and going with Sam/Case/Sloter for the rest of the year. if you dont think Sam is going to be healthy/playong soon, you put Sam on IR so you can roll with Teddy/Case/Kyle and not be forced to waived Sloter or kill your roster by careying 4 QBs. IMO if Sam were healthy, he would already be playing. After watching him vs the Bears, I don't think that is going to happen this year. I bet Sam goes to IR.I'm fairly certain that has been the plan for awhile now.
The only question then is why wait? If they put him there next Wednesday to activate Teddy he won't be eligible to return until Week 17 correct? I mean that's all fine and dandy if they are in the playoffs but what if week 17 is for a playoff spot and Teddy didn't respond well in his return? I really thought once he started the injection routine it would have been wise to put him on IR to return week 14 or 15. Better late than never but maybe short sighted. I guess they want to be sure Teddy actually gets back on the field.
@"NodakViking" said:@"Ponifan" said:@"greediron" said:@"Purpleblooded" said: There are other factors that make this even more introguing. If Sam is healthy, i still say he is our best chance for this season. if you acrivate Tesdy and keep Sam on the active roster, you are almost forced to expose Sloter to waivers. In that scenario, you could argue the Vikings are best served keeping Teddy in PUP, letting his contract toll, and going with Sam/Case/Sloter for the rest of the year. if you dont think Sam is going to be healthy/playong soon, you put Sam on IR so you can roll with Teddy/Case/Kyle and not be forced to waived Sloter or kill your roster by careying 4 QBs. IMO if Sam were healthy, he would already be playing. After watching him vs the Bears, I don't think that is going to happen this year. I bet Sam goes to IR.I'm fairly certain that has been the plan for awhile now.
The only question then is why wait? If they put him there next Wednesday to activate Teddy he won't be eligible to return until Week 17 correct? I mean that's all fine and dandy if they are in the playoffs but what if week 17 is for a playoff spot and Teddy didn't respond well in his return? I really thought once he started the injection routine it would have been wise to put him on IR to return week 14 or 15. Better late than never but maybe short sighted. I guess they want to be sure Teddy actually gets back on the field.
I would imagine that since they didn't know exactly how long Sam would be out they didn't want to shelf him until they were certain that they had at the very least another veteran to fill the backup role and possibly the starter.
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