Barr seems to be having a bounce-back kinda year...

@"BarrNone55" said: http://m.vikings.com/news/article-1/Barr-Griffen-Lead-Vikings-Defensive-Charge-Against-Ravens/6645627e-d736-4f10-a0b8-44584a9ce03a

Vikings Head Coach Mike Zimmer praised Barr's performance not only on Sunday but through the first seven games of the season.  "Anthony's been playing great. He's been playing with a lot of fire, tenacity," Zimmer said. "He was able to get the one sack, but I know there was another time he was free off the backside that he almost got there. "The guy's just playing really good right now," Zimmer added. "I love big, fast, physical guys, and he kind of fits that bill."

Anthony Barr continues his surge by dominating RavensOn Friday, Anthony Barr just shook his head at a question about being rated among the top 10 linebackers this season by Pro Football Focus.
Whether you use PFF ratings, regular stats or the old eye test, you’ll come to the same conclusion about Barr’s season: He is dominating. On Sunday, Barr racked up 11 tackles, one sack and two tackles for loss as the Vikings’ defense allowed just 3.3 yards per play to the Baltimore Ravens.
“I’m in a good place mentally,” Barr said following the 24-16 win. “I think that’s the biggest part. Physically that’s going to come and go, but mentally I feel in a good place. Confident…and it’s a testament to my teammates and coaches who continue to believe in me.”
“I know people were saying he had an off year last year, but I thought he played well,” safety Harrison Smith said. “The splash plays is what people notice the most, when you get those everyone hypes you up. But he’s ballin’ and he’s playing with a lot of passion, he loves playing in this defense and we love being with him.”
http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2017/10/anthony-barr-continues-surge-dominating-ravens/

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said: Waynes still under-performs. He gets tested a lot since QBs don't want to throw at Rhodes. But Rhodes takes the best opposing receiver and Waynes still gives up way too many receptions.  He is not terrible, but for a high first round pick, he's a big disappointment.

its not like Waynes is left with chopped liver on some of these teams... he was covering Jordy Nelson last week for shits sake.  Waynes is doing just fine for the most part,  and exceeding expectations IMO in some aspects, especially tackling and run support.  the knock on him coming out of college is lack of physical play... he seems to have corrected that so I have no concerns of him continuing to grow into a really good player for us.

@"dadevike" said:

Who was he covering in the Baltimore game?  They had a bunch of nobodies at WR. So yesterday he WAS covering chopped liver. Vikings give up a single TD to a totally inept offense. Guess who gave it up?  If he is exceeding expectations, then the expectations for a high first round pick are absurdly low.  By that standard, Treadwell is also exceeding expectations.

To be fair...  the Ravens WR gave Waynes a pretty good push to create separation on that TD catch.  The refs obviously aren't going to call that on a play where time is expiring and the Vikings are up 15 points.

Barr is playing very well this year. Head seems to be in a good place. Active on the field. 

@"Wetlander" said:

@"dadevike" said:

Who was he covering in the Baltimore game?  They had a bunch of nobodies at WR. So yesterday he WAS covering chopped liver. Vikings give up a single TD to a totally inept offense. Guess who gave it up?  If he is exceeding expectations, then the expectations for a high first round pick are absurdly low.  By that standard, Treadwell is also exceeding expectations.

To be fair...  the Ravens WR gave Waynes a pretty good push to create separation on that TD catch.  The refs obviously aren't going to call that on a play where time is expiring and the Vikings are up 15 points.

We had the Ravens under 200 yards passing until the prevent and they went 65 yards in the air vs prevent.  Waynes played fine!

Back to the OP:

Barr is not having a bounce back year he is having a career year.  He is playing better then he ever has.  He is not missing tackles like he has all the previous years.

Who did we extend of Defense this offseason - Griff, Joseph, Rhodes and Harry the year before that.  Barr is going to be costly with Kendricks the year after.  

@"minny65" said: Back to the OP:

Barr is not having a bounce back year he is having a career year.  He is playing better then he ever has.  He is not missing tackles like he has all the previous years.

Who did we extend of Defense this offseason - Griff, Joseph, Rhodes and Harry the year before that.  Barr is going to be costly with Kendricks the year after.  

Agreed.  Barr is playing so much better in all phases.  He isn't asked to rush much, but the spy position on Rodgers obviously worked out well.  He closes so fast.  His tackling, his leadership, his coverage is all coming together.

But I think Kendricks (2nd round) and Barr (1st round with option) are going to be free agents at the same time.  Kendricks might not be as expensive as he doesn't have the prototypical size and isn't standing out so much.  Barr won't be break the bank because he isn't the Von Miller splash play guy, but quietly does the little things this year.

@"minny65" said: Back to the OP:

Barr is not having a bounce back year he is having a career year.  He is playing better then he ever has.  He is not missing tackles like he has all the previous years.

Who did we extend of Defense this offseason - Griff, Joseph, Rhodes and Harry the year before that.  Barr is going to be costly with Kendricks the year after.  

we keep saying it,  we arent going to be able to keep them all,  but so far so good.   although I think with a major QB decision looming that our run of retaining our guys might start to wane.  a few contracts coming off the books, but I also think that we will need to spend to replace those guys so who knows how much cap will be truly available.  I am hoping that Teddy comes out and looks the part.... and is really wanting to stay in Minny and will take a favorable deal to make sure there is something left for those around him.

Same with some of these other guys although it will hard to sell considering the deals that Rhodes and Smith got as well as the extensions that Griff and Linval inked.

@"greediron" said:

@"minny65" said: Back to the OP:

Barr is not having a bounce back year he is having a career year.  He is playing better then he ever has.  He is not missing tackles like he has all the previous years.

Who did we extend of Defense this offseason - Griff, Joseph, Rhodes and Harry the year before that.  Barr is going to be costly with Kendricks the year after.  

Agreed.  Barr is playing so much better in all phases.  He isn't asked to rush much, but the spy position on Rodgers obviously worked out well.  He closes so fast.  His tackling, his leadership, his coverage is all coming together.

But I think Kendricks (2nd round) and Barr (1st round with option) are going to be free agents at the same time.  Kendricks might not be as expensive as he doesn't have the prototypical size and isn't standing out so much.  Barr won't be break the bank because he isn't the Von Miller splash play guy, but quietly does the little things this year.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"minny65" said: Back to the OP:

Barr is not having a bounce back year he is having a career year.  He is playing better then he ever has.  He is not missing tackles like he has all the previous years.

Who did we extend of Defense this offseason - Griff, Joseph, Rhodes and Harry the year before that.  Barr is going to be costly with Kendricks the year after.  

we keep saying it,  we arent going to be able to keep them all,  but so far so good.   although I think with a major QB decision looming that our run of retaining our guys might start to wane.  a few contracts coming off the books, but I also think that we will need to spend to replace those guys so who knows how much cap will be truly available.  I am hoping that Teddy comes out and looks the part.... and is really wanting to stay in Minny and will take a favorable deal to make sure there is something left for those around him.

Same with some of these other guys although it will hard to sell considering the deals that Rhodes and Smith got as well as the extensions that Griff and Linval inked.

@"minny65" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"minny65" said: Back to the OP:

Barr is not having a bounce back year he is having a career year.  He is playing better then he ever has.  He is not missing tackles like he has all the previous years.

Who did we extend of Defense this offseason - Griff, Joseph, Rhodes and Harry the year before that.  Barr is going to be costly with Kendricks the year after.  

we keep saying it,  we arent going to be able to keep them all,  but so far so good.   although I think with a major QB decision looming that our run of retaining our guys might start to wane.  a few contracts coming off the books, but I also think that we will need to spend to replace those guys so who knows how much cap will be truly available.  I am hoping that Teddy comes out and looks the part.... and is really wanting to stay in Minny and will take a favorable deal to make sure there is something left for those around him.

Same with some of these other guys although it will hard to sell considering the deals that Rhodes and Smith got as well as the extensions that Griff and Linval inked.

Yea that Teddy (reasonable contract) would be ideal and allow us to resign guys like Barr, Kendricks, Hunter and Diggs if he stays healthy.  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"minny65" said: Back to the OP:

Barr is not having a bounce back year he is having a career year.  He is playing better then he ever has.  He is not missing tackles like he has all the previous years.

Who did we extend of Defense this offseason - Griff, Joseph, Rhodes and Harry the year before that.  Barr is going to be costly with Kendricks the year after.  

we keep saying it,  we arent going to be able to keep them all,  but so far so good.   although I think with a major QB decision looming that our run of retaining our guys might start to wane.  a few contracts coming off the books, but I also think that we will need to spend to replace those guys so who knows how much cap will be truly available.  I am hoping that Teddy comes out and looks the part.... and is really wanting to stay in Minny and will take a favorable deal to make sure there is something left for those around him.

Same with some of these other guys although it will hard to sell considering the deals that Rhodes and Smith got as well as the extensions that Griff and Linval inked.

Yea that Teddy (reasonable contract) would be ideal and allow us to resign guys like Barr, Kendricks, Hunter and Diggs if he stays healthy.  

Diggs is the one that is a head scratcher for me.  tons of talent,  one of the tops in the league when healthy... but how do you back up the brinks truck for a guy that is essentially productive for only 1/3 of each season?  Will he take an incentive laden deal? doubt it.

@"greediron" said:

@"minny65" said: Back to the OP:

Barr is not having a bounce back year he is having a career year.  He is playing better then he ever has.  He is not missing tackles like he has all the previous years.

Who did we extend of Defense this offseason - Griff, Joseph, Rhodes and Harry the year before that.  Barr is going to be costly with Kendricks the year after.  

Agreed.  Barr is playing so much better in all phases.  He isn't asked to rush much, but the spy position on Rodgers obviously worked out well.  He closes so fast.  His tackling, his leadership, his coverage is all coming together.

But I think Kendricks (2nd round) and Barr (1st round with option) are going to be free agents at the same time.  Kendricks might not be as expensive as he doesn't have the prototypical size and isn't standing out so much.  Barr won't be break the bank because he isn't the Von Miller splash play guy, but quietly does the little things this year.

Damn, hunter too?  Although his sack numbers are down now that he is playing base DE. 

Barr might want that type of money, but without the flashy numbers, it will be harder for him to get it.  He will likely be a notch or 2 lower instead of blowing Von Miller's contract out of the water.  But he will get paid.

@"greediron" said: Damn, hunter too?  Although his sack numbers are down now that he is playing base DE..

With great drafts comes great contracts, to paraphrase Ben Parker.

Interesting about Hunter. When the team made the unusual offseason announcement that Hunter had been promoted to starting DE, it seemed like there might have been some pressure from him or his agent. No evidence, just that no other explanation seemed apparent and it didn't seem to thrill Robison. That could backfire if this is a down year, though Hunter had 8.5 of his stats in the second half of last season, too.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"greediron" said: Damn, hunter too?  Although his sack numbers are down now that he is playing base DE..

With great drafts comes great contracts, to paraphrase Ben Parker.

Interesting about Hunter. When the team made the unusual offseason announcement that Hunter had been promoted to starting DE, it seemed like there might have been some pressure from him or his agent. No evidence, just that no other explanation seemed apparent and it didn't seem to thrill Robison. That could backfire if this is a down year, though Hunter had 8.5 of his stats in the second half of last season, too.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"greediron" said: Damn, hunter too?  Although his sack numbers are down now that he is playing base DE..

With great drafts comes great contracts, to paraphrase Ben Parker.

Interesting about Hunter. When the team made the unusual offseason announcement that Hunter had been promoted to starting DE, it seemed like there might have been some pressure from him or his agent. No evidence, just that no other explanation seemed apparent and it didn't seem to thrill Robison. That could backfire if this is a down year, though Hunter had 8.5 of his stats in the second half of last season, too.

I think part of Hunters struggles are 1. teams are able to prepare for him better, more film and they know that he will get a signifant amount of snaps.  2. He isnt as fresh as he was last year.  3.  He is having to play the run much more,  also our defense isnt seeing teams in as many must throw situations as our offense isnt really outscoring many opponents early forcing them to be one dimensional and play catch up.

Hunter is drawing the help to his side as he is being chipped & double teamed by backs & te’s on a regular basis during passing situations.