Diggs, Floyd injuries offer prove-it chance for Treadwell
Back in August, Laquon Treadwell held court following a training camp practice, telling several reporters that he’d seen the light. He’d learned from stars Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen how to “win” against NFL corners and spent this offseason focusing on technique and route running.
Through the first five games, the Minnesota Vikings didn’t need Treadwell to prove that he’d grown. They needed him to block and play decoy while Diggs and Thielen dominated.
But with Diggs out against the Packers, he was called upon to play a role in the passing game. He showed some of the growth he talked about in camp by coming up with his best career day: Three catches for 51 yards, including a one-handed grab that made every NFL highlight show.
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Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
The spotlight has been on Treadwell since the beginning of last season when he did not appear in the Vikings’ opening game and didn’t make his first career catch until the team’s eighth game – his only reception of the season.
Head coach Mike Zimmer has supported his 6-foot-2, 215-pound receiver, saying last year that he appreciated Treadwell’s ability to get in and out of routes and saw him as a hard worker.
Now that he’s needed, that support will only go as far as Treadwell’s production. If the ex-Ole Miss star proves to be a viable receiving option, the Vikings will feel set at the receiver position for a long time. Struggles to make an impact, however, could result in this being his final year in purple.
@"purplefaithful" said: The spotlight has been on Treadwell since the beginning of last season when he did not appear in the Vikings’ opening game and didn’t make his first career catch until the team’s eighth game – his only reception of the season.Head coach Mike Zimmer has supported his 6-foot-2, 215-pound receiver, saying last year that he appreciated Treadwell’s ability to get in and out of routes and saw him as a hard worker.
Now that he’s needed, that support will only go as far as Treadwell’s production. If the ex-Ole Miss star proves to be a viable receiving option, the Vikings will feel set at the receiver position for a long time. Struggles to make an impact, however, could result in this being his final year in purple.
What???
This is his second year and rookies usually sign 4 year contracts. If you are a first rounder, which he was, you can do a 5 year option. Final year in purple????????
@"minny65" said:@"purplefaithful" said: The spotlight has been on Treadwell since the beginning of last season when he did not appear in the Vikings’ opening game and didn’t make his first career catch until the team’s eighth game – his only reception of the season.Head coach Mike Zimmer has supported his 6-foot-2, 215-pound receiver, saying last year that he appreciated Treadwell’s ability to get in and out of routes and saw him as a hard worker.
Now that he’s needed, that support will only go as far as Treadwell’s production. If the ex-Ole Miss star proves to be a viable receiving option, the Vikings will feel set at the receiver position for a long time. Struggles to make an impact, however, could result in this being his final year in purple.
What???This is his second year and rookies usually sign 4 year contracts. If you are a first rounder, which he was, you can do a 5 year option. Final year in purple????????
You can still cut them at any time... there was plenty of talk of trading or cutting Treadwell if he didn't produce this year which would have made it his final year.
Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch.
Think of Treadwell as a post up player as opposed to someone who can create off the dribble...
He'll win with position and catch radius...
Like some dude had already said, he uses his size to his advantage when going up against CBs.
I don't think he will ever be that type of player that can get open on a regular. You throw it to Treadwell, and once Treadwell can have confidence in himself, he will catch it and that is where you will see just how important he CAN be.
@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch.I'll take one amazing catch among two others over what he produced last year. He's improving and taking advantage of the snaps he's getting, and that's the important thing.
@"MaroonBells" said:He's got 8 catches for 93 yards over 6 games as a starter this season. Improvement? Yes. But the bar was set incredibly low. He does nothing special at all.@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch. I'll take one amazing catch among two others over what he produced last year. He's improving and taking advantage of the snaps he's getting, and that's the important thing.
@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch.Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.
@"JimmyinSD" said:The guy rarely gets open, period. No separation. We can all act like that isn't the case, but it is. Trust him by throwing into coverage? I don't think so. This isn't Dez Bryant. Nobody, outside of those wearing purple glasses, is going to tell me this kid isn't just a guy. At best.@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch. Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.
@"StickyBun" said:Ok.@"JimmyinSD" said:The guy rarely gets open, period. No separation. We can all act like that isn't the case, but it is. Trust him by throwing into coverage? I don't think so. This isn't Dez Bryant. Nobody, outside of those wearing purple glasses, is going to tell me this kid isn't just a guy. At best.@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch. Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.
@"JimmyinSD" said:Dude, what other conclusion can I come to? Where is the production? We can hope.....we can like that unbelievable catch....we know he's working harder. All fine. 8 catches in 6 games. Anything else is homer vision or wishful thinking. Which is fine on a messageboard.@"StickyBun" said:Ok.@"JimmyinSD" said:The guy rarely gets open, period. No separation. We can all act like that isn't the case, but it is. Trust him by throwing into coverage? I don't think so. This isn't Dez Bryant. Nobody, outside of those wearing purple glasses, is going to tell me this kid isn't just a guy. At best.@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch. Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.
@"StickyBun" said:And Diggs wasn't very good until all of a sudden he was on the field as a rookie.@"JimmyinSD" said:Dude, what other conclusion can I come to? Where is the production? We can hope.....we can like that unbelievable catch....we know he's working harder. All fine. 8 catches in 6 games. Anything else is homer vision or wishful thinking. Which is fine on a messageboard.@"StickyBun" said:Ok.@"JimmyinSD" said:The guy rarely gets open, period. No separation. We can all act like that isn't the case, but it is. Trust him by throwing into coverage? I don't think so. This isn't Dez Bryant. Nobody, outside of those wearing purple glasses, is going to tell me this kid isn't just a guy. At best.@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch. Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.Treadwell can't throw the ball to himself. Treadwell can make the tough catch, but not if he isn't thrown the ball. You can be a hater if you want to and pretend that stats paint a complete picture, but it's been discussed quite a bit on perhaps why Treadwells numbers arren't higher than they are this year. With Thielen and Diggs starting the year as big as they have they are the primary target, Treadwell has been 3rd or fourth look and neither Sam not Case have really held the ball long enough to go through more than a couple reads before firing, or in Keenum's case he tends to lock onto a reciever at times and wait for them to come open.
Im not saying Treadwell is a monster, but he is certainly a better target than you are giving him credit for. Throw him open and let him use that huge catch radius and big body and he can be almost uncoverable in many cases, bit it's on the QB until it isnt. He's making the catch when given the opportunity.
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch.
Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.
You guys are both right - Treadwell doesn't get separation, but he could be the kind of WR who makes catches despite that.But remember the post yesterday about the Vikings' 2017 offense leading the NFL in fewest interceptions. There is some luck in that and some good QB play, but a big part is the type of plays called. IMO Zimmer is extremely turnover-averse, more than many coaches. Theilen and Diggs get separation and so passes to them can be much lower in risk. Otherwise the plan is to check down to Rudolph or a RB. Yeah, Rudolph is often in a crowd but he's 6'6" with even longer arms that Treadwell.
Another coaching staff might accept the risk of throwing into a crowd, but not this one. Even with Floyd and Diggs out Sunday, I think we're going to see plays for Wright and maybe even Coley - guys who separate.
I'm thinking the Vikes need to watch him play more in games before deciding to kick him to the curb. He's the #3 WR receiver on the team in catches behind Thielan and Diggs. Is anyone really surprised by this?
I wish he was good enough to be our #1, but that's not the case. He was pretty good last game, so it will be interesting to see how he does with this opportunity.
@"StickyBun" said:That's unfair. I don't hear anyone saying that Treadwell is headed for the pro bowl, or even the starting lineup, so maybe we can dispense with the homer-vision dismissals. The bottom line is that he was targeted 3 times and caught 3 balls. There is some sign of life in a kid who showed nothing in his rookie season...and that's a good thing...something to build on. Do I think he'll ever be a #1 receiver? No, I don't. I never have. I called him the most overrated player in the 2016 draft, that his ceiling was as a post-up possession receiver. He showed some things Sunday that might suggest he can eventually be that.@"JimmyinSD" said:Dude, what other conclusion can I come to? Where is the production? We can hope.....we can like that unbelievable catch....we know he's working harder. All fine. 8 catches in 6 games. Anything else is homer vision or wishful thinking. Which is fine on a messageboard.@"StickyBun" said:Ok.@"JimmyinSD" said:The guy rarely gets open, period. No separation. We can all act like that isn't the case, but it is. Trust him by throwing into coverage? I don't think so. This isn't Dez Bryant. Nobody, outside of those wearing purple glasses, is going to tell me this kid isn't just a guy. At best.@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch. Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.With all due respect, Sticky, It makes me wonder if you're the one with the unrealistic expectations. Because if you're one of the many who thought he was going to be a vertical threat in the mold of Michael Irvin or AJ Green, I would imagine the reality of what he REALLY is might be greatly disappointing. But if you're expectation is that he could round into another Anquan Boldin or Dwayne Bowe, then I would say Sunday was a positive step.
One might argue that you don't take a receiver like that in the 1st round. As a matter of fact, one did.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:That's unfair. I don't hear anyone saying that Treadwell is headed for the pro bowl, or even the starting lineup, so maybe we can dispense with the homer-vision dismissals. The bottom line is that he was targeted 3 times and caught 3 balls. There is some sign of life in a kid who showed nothing in his rookie season...and that's a good thing...something to build on. Do I think he'll ever be a #1 receiver? No, I don't. I never have. I called him the most overrated player in the 2016 draft, that his ceiling was as a post-up possession receiver. He showed some things Sunday that might suggest he can eventually be that.@"JimmyinSD" said:Dude, what other conclusion can I come to? Where is the production? We can hope.....we can like that unbelievable catch....we know he's working harder. All fine. 8 catches in 6 games. Anything else is homer vision or wishful thinking. Which is fine on a messageboard.@"StickyBun" said:Ok.@"JimmyinSD" said:The guy rarely gets open, period. No separation. We can all act like that isn't the case, but it is. Trust him by throwing into coverage? I don't think so. This isn't Dez Bryant. Nobody, outside of those wearing purple glasses, is going to tell me this kid isn't just a guy. At best.@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch. Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.With all due respect, Sticky, It makes me wonder if you're the one with the unrealistic expectations. Because if you're one of the many who thought he was going to be a vertical threat in the mold of Michael Irvin or AJ Green, I would imagine the reality of what he REALLY is might be greatly disappointing. But if you're expectation is that he could round into another Anquan Boldin or Dwayne Bowe, then I would say Sunday was a positive step.
One might argue that you don't take a receiver like that in the 1st round. As a matter of fact, one did.
In two years, he has 9 catches thus far. He'll never be anything like a Boldin or Bowe, lol. C'mon now. With all due respect, your post is very homer. Boldin had 157 catches, 8 TDs in two years, one season in which he only played in 10 games because of injury. Bowe had 112 catches and 12 TDs in his first 2 years.So who's unrealistic?
@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:That's unfair. I don't hear anyone saying that Treadwell is headed for the pro bowl, or even the starting lineup, so maybe we can dispense with the homer-vision dismissals. The bottom line is that he was targeted 3 times and caught 3 balls. There is some sign of life in a kid who showed nothing in his rookie season...and that's a good thing...something to build on. Do I think he'll ever be a #1 receiver? No, I don't. I never have. I called him the most overrated player in the 2016 draft, that his ceiling was as a post-up possession receiver. He showed some things Sunday that might suggest he can eventually be that.@"JimmyinSD" said:Dude, what other conclusion can I come to? Where is the production? We can hope.....we can like that unbelievable catch....we know he's working harder. All fine. 8 catches in 6 games. Anything else is homer vision or wishful thinking. Which is fine on a messageboard.@"StickyBun" said:Ok.@"JimmyinSD" said:The guy rarely gets open, period. No separation. We can all act like that isn't the case, but it is. Trust him by throwing into coverage? I don't think so. This isn't Dez Bryant. Nobody, outside of those wearing purple glasses, is going to tell me this kid isn't just a guy. At best.@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch. Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.With all due respect, Sticky, It makes me wonder if you're the one with the unrealistic expectations. Because if you're one of the many who thought he was going to be a vertical threat in the mold of Michael Irvin or AJ Green, I would imagine the reality of what he REALLY is might be greatly disappointing. But if you're expectation is that he could round into another Anquan Boldin or Dwayne Bowe, then I would say Sunday was a positive step.
One might argue that you don't take a receiver like that in the 1st round. As a matter of fact, one did.
In two years, he has 9 catches thus far. He'll never be anything like a Boldin or Bowe, lol. C'mon now. With all due respect, your post is very homer. Boldin had 157 catches, 8 TDs in two years, one season in which he only played in 10 games because of injury. Bowe had 112 catches and 12 TDs in his first 2 years.So who's unrealistic?
Both came in as starters. Treadwell was behind Diggs and Thielen. And he still is.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:That's unfair. I don't hear anyone saying that Treadwell is headed for the pro bowl, or even the starting lineup, so maybe we can dispense with the homer-vision dismissals. The bottom line is that he was targeted 3 times and caught 3 balls. There is some sign of life in a kid who showed nothing in his rookie season...and that's a good thing...something to build on. Do I think he'll ever be a #1 receiver? No, I don't. I never have. I called him the most overrated player in the 2016 draft, that his ceiling was as a post-up possession receiver. He showed some things Sunday that might suggest he can eventually be that.@"JimmyinSD" said:Dude, what other conclusion can I come to? Where is the production? We can hope.....we can like that unbelievable catch....we know he's working harder. All fine. 8 catches in 6 games. Anything else is homer vision or wishful thinking. Which is fine on a messageboard.@"StickyBun" said:Ok.@"JimmyinSD" said:The guy rarely gets open, period. No separation. We can all act like that isn't the case, but it is. Trust him by throwing into coverage? I don't think so. This isn't Dez Bryant. Nobody, outside of those wearing purple glasses, is going to tell me this kid isn't just a guy. At best.@"StickyBun" said: Treadwell still doesn't get open. He sure wasn't open on that play he made the amazing catch. He had 3 catches for 51 yards last week....and this was by far his best performance. I mean, the media is losing their minds over him it seems but he hasn't done a thing other than make 1 amazing catch. Single coverage with inside leverage against a smaller CB...that's open as hell for Treadwell and really any NFL reciever, that's all the more he needs. it's on the QB at that point for not throwing him the ball. They need to learn to trust him that he wont leave their pass exposed and he has to make sure he either catches the ball or makes sure the defender doesnt.With all due respect, Sticky, It makes me wonder if you're the one with the unrealistic expectations. Because if you're one of the many who thought he was going to be a vertical threat in the mold of Michael Irvin or AJ Green, I would imagine the reality of what he REALLY is might be greatly disappointing. But if you're expectation is that he could round into another Anquan Boldin or Dwayne Bowe, then I would say Sunday was a positive step.
One might argue that you don't take a receiver like that in the 1st round. As a matter of fact, one did.
In two years, he has 9 catches thus far. He'll never be anything like a Boldin or Bowe, lol. C'mon now. With all due respect, your post is very homer. Boldin had 157 catches, 8 TDs in two years, one season in which he only played in 10 games because of injury. Bowe had 112 catches and 12 TDs in his first 2 years.So who's unrealistic?
Both came in as starters. Treadwell was behind Diggs and Thielen. And he still is.
Exactly. So a WR drafted in the 1st round is a WR3? That's nuts. We have a WR drafted in the 5th round that's a #1. It was a wasted pick, straight up.
@"MaroonBells" said: One might argue that you don't take a receiver like that in the 1st round. As a matter of fact, one did.I'm still surprised the Vikings did. I really believe they were certain either Doctson or Fuller (or both) would be available and they panicked when both went right ahead of their pick. Not certain either of those guys would have been great either, but...if my guess is true that was a huge error.
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