That'a boy....

AGRforever wrote:

Supas like shit on a pig. He once had a 98 page thread talking to himself about Covid. Or at least that what we all assumed? I guess since nobody read it, it could have been anything.
I wouldn’t expect him to ever change his opinion. Even after KOC is inducted into the HoF for winning us multiple SBs

Covid!? I've never commented on Covid. You must have mistaken "Kwesi" for "covid" lol

But I was right about Kwesi, right about the Wilfs, and I'm pretty confident I'm right about OConnell. I just think he is incredibly overrated as a coach and certainly not worthy of the power that's been given to him. Nobody wants him to win more than me, a very long suffering supporter of this organization, but he's flawed in a lot of ways. The "chuck and duck" isn't condusive to winning postseason football and weve seen that. We won games last year because Flores turned chicken shit into chicken salad while OConnell's offense, was well....offensive, ranking 28th. Everybody likes to point to the quarterback position as to why we haven't done more or as an excuse, but does anybody honestly believe that every quarterback decision hasn't been hugely influenced by OConnell and his "quarterback expertise?" He's never developed a young quarterback, ever. His handling of McCarthy thusfar has bordered on negligence after word vomiting the catch phrase "organizations fail young quarterbacks before young quarterbacks fail organizations." Its put up, or shut up this year for OConnell. He's got his dwarf king under center, no more excuses.

Frascella ranks all 32 NFL Coaching trios: 1. Jaguars: Coen, Udinski, Campanile 2. Broncos: Payton, Webb, Joseph 3. Rams: McVay, Scheelhaase, Shula 4. Chiefs: Reid, Bieniemy, Spagnuolo 5. 49ers: Shanahan, Kubiak, Morris 6. Seahawks: Macdonald, Fleury, Durde 7. Vikings: O’Connell, Phillips, Flores 8. Packers: LaFleur, Stenavich, Gannon 9. Patriots: Vrabel, McDaniels, Kuhr 10. Texans: Ryans, Caley, Burke 11. Bears: Johnson, Taylor, Allen 12. Eagles: Sirianni, Mannion, Fangio 13. Ravens: Minter, Doyle, Weaver 14. Panthers: Canales, Idzik, Evero 15. Cowboys: Schottenheimer, Adams, Parker 16. Lions: Campbell, Petzing, Sheppard 17. Giants: Harbaugh, Nagy, Wilson 18. Chargers: Harbaugh, McDaniel, O’Leary 19. Saints: Moore, Nussmeier, Staley 20. Colts: Steichen, Cooter, Anarumo 21. Raiders: Kubiak, Janocko, Leonard 22. Bengals: Taylor, Pitcher, Golden 23. Bills: Brady, Carmichael, Leonhard 24. Steelers: McCarthy, Angelichio, Graham 25. Dolphins: Hafley, Slowik, Duggan 26. Browns: Monken, Switzer, Rutenberg 27. Falcons: Stefanski, Rees, Ulbrich 28. Commanders: Quinn, Blough, Jones 29. Bucs: Bowles, Robinson, Foote 30. Titans: Saleh, Daboll, Bradley 31. Cardinals: LaFleur, Hackett, Rallis 32. Jets: Glenn, Reich, Duker ... what would you change?

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Frascella ranks all 32 NFL Coaching trios: 1. Jaguars: Coen, Udinski, Campanile 2. Broncos: Payton, Webb, Joseph 3. Rams: McVay, Scheelhaase, Shula 4. Chiefs: Reid, Bieniemy, Spagnuolo 5. 49ers: Shanahan, Kubiak, Morris 6. Seahawks: Macdonald, Fleury, Durde 7. Vikings: O’Connell, Phillips, Flores 8. Packers: LaFleur, Stenavich, Gannon 9. Patriots: Vrabel, McDaniels, Kuhr 10. Texans: Ryans, Caley, Burke 11. Bears: Johnson, Taylor, Allen 12. Eagles: Sirianni, Mannion, Fangio 13. Ravens: Minter, Doyle, Weaver 14. Panthers: Canales, Idzik, Evero 15. Cowboys: Schottenheimer, Adams, Parker 16. Lions: Campbell, Petzing, Sheppard 17. Giants: Harbaugh, Nagy, Wilson 18. Chargers: Harbaugh, McDaniel, O’Leary 19. Saints: Moore, Nussmeier, Staley 20. Colts: Steichen, Cooter, Anarumo 21. Raiders: Kubiak, Janocko, Leonard 22. Bengals: Taylor, Pitcher, Golden 23. Bills: Brady, Carmichael, Leonhard 24. Steelers: McCarthy, Angelichio, Graham 25. Dolphins: Hafley, Slowik, Duggan 26. Browns: Monken, Switzer, Rutenberg 27. Falcons: Stefanski, Rees, Ulbrich 28. Commanders: Quinn, Blough, Jones 29. Bucs: Bowles, Robinson, Foote 30. Titans: Saleh, Daboll, Bradley 31. Cardinals: LaFleur, Hackett, Rallis 32. Jets: Glenn, Reich, Duker ... what would you change?

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Should have kept Udinski.

AGRforever wrote:

Supas like shit on a pig. He once had a 98 page thread talking to himself about Covid. Or at least that what we all assumed? I guess since nobody read it, it could have been anything.
I wouldn’t expect him to ever change his opinion. Even after KOC is inducted into the HoF for winning us multiple SBs

That was not Supa

supafreak84 wrote:

Highest winning percentage of any Viking coach ever? That is a super cherry picked statistic. I just posted earlier in this thread that OConnell and Zimmer have virtually identical records through 4 years (except Zimmer already had a playoff win). I'll give it a couple more seasons before I annoint OConnell the second coming of Bill Walsh. Maybe a playoff win or two? OConnell was gift wrapped a playoff caliber roster from the outset which is rare for new head coaches. It was stocked with talent, the best receiver in football and an upper echelon veteran quarterback capable of running his complex system to success early on. Coach of the year awards don't mean much. We just watched a guy who's won that award twice in the last four years (Stefanski) get canned, and he actually had a playoff win under his belt. The Wilfs are weird, and they will can people whether they just gave them a contract extension or not. I think they are frustrated at the results or lack of success under the "competitive rebuild" plan, and just decided to turn everything over to OConnell in a "prove it" year. He won the power struggle with Kwesi, was given the reigns this offseason to run the free agency and the draft how he wanted with Brzez. If things don't go well this year...you think his job is safe? I don't, especially if the Wilfs decide to hire a GM that's not OConnell's golfing buddy and isn't tied to him moving forward.

1) I agree that Zim and OConnell had similar records through 4 years. I also thought Zim was a good coach until he wasn't (though he struggled getting an Offense and OC right). He became a crotchety old man who was no longer relatable to players and even worse...became predictable with his defense. Combine that with the declining team performance and dysfunction between he and Spielman..and it was time. I'm guessing for the touchy feely Wilfs...Zim was a tough employee.

2) OConnell inherited a playoff caliber roster? He inherited a team that finished 8-9 the year before. Here was the roster he inherited:

Offense:
Cousins, Mattison, Ham
JJ, KJ
Hockenson, Oliver
Darrisaw, Ezra, Bradbury, Ingram, O'Neill

Defense::
Hunter, Davenport
Lowry, Phillips
Tonga
Asamoah, Hicks,
Smith, Bynum

Does that really scream playoff caliber roster to you? Really?

3) Cousins will always have the stigma of putting up numbers and wilting under the bright lights. Hardly top tier..especially from a guy that only wants to talk about big, meaningful games. He's a guy that puts up numbers.

4) I think most of us thought fairly highly of Green as HC. If you're going to discount KOC for having a top tier WR...think of how good he could have done with two HOF WRs. And btw...I love Jets...but he's no Randy Moss in my opinion. KOC has a better winning percentage than Green as well btw.

OConnell will be the HC in 2027

JustInTime wrote:

https://twitter.com/nflfrascella/status/2056726589803491372Should have kept Udinski.

I said the same at the time...

I also think letting Udinski walk hurt JJM more than I think many realize.

Who does Philips have 8mm film on???

JustInTime wrote:

https://twitter.com/nflfrascella/status/2056726589803491372Should have kept Udinski.

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The rankings usually track pretty closely with the previous years results. 9-8 record gets you a middling result. 13-4 the previous year gets you a better result.

badgervike wrote:

1) I agree that Zim and OConnell had similar records through 4 years. I also thought Zim was a good coach until he wasn't (though he struggled getting an Offense and OC right). He became a crotchety old man who was no longer relatable to players and even worse...became predictable with his defense. Combine that with the declining team performance and dysfunction between he and Spielman..and it was time. I'm guessing for the touchy feely Wilfs...Zim was a tough employee.
2) OConnell inherited a playoff caliber roster? He inherited a team that finished 8-9 the year before. Here was the roster he inherited:
Offense:
Cousins, Mattison, Ham
JJ, KJ
Hockenson, Oliver
Darrisaw, Ezra, Bradbury, Ingram, O'Neill

Defense::
Hunter, Davenport
Lowry, Phillips
Tonga
Asamoah, Hicks,
Smith, Bynum
Does that really scream playoff caliber roster to you? Really?
3) Cousins will always have the stigma of putting up numbers and wilting under the bright lights. Hardly top tier..especially from a guy that only wants to talk about big, meaningful games. He's a guy that puts up numbers.
4) I think most of us thought fairly highly of Green as HC. If you're going to discount KOC for having a top tier WR...think of how good he could have done with two HOF WRs. And btw...I love Jets...but he's no Randy Moss in my opinion. KOC has a better winning percentage than Green as well btw.
OConnell will be the HC in 2027

1. It wasn't about Zim not being able to get the offense right because every time he'd get it right, some other team would immediately poach our offensive coordinator for a head coaching job. Zimm might have set a record for most offensive coordinators hired.

2. Yes, O'Connell inherited a playoff caliber team that played the prior season without its best defensive player (Hunter) and lost a record number of one score games. On the flip side, with a healthy Hunter and a few free agent additions (Zadarius Smith, Phillips, Patrick Peterson) the following year, we made the playoffs winning a record number of one score games. It was a good roster that OConnell inherited including guys that are still our best players on the roster currently.

3. Regardless of how people feel about Cousins, he's always been a top 10-12 QB. Most new coaches don't get the luxury of starting out with an established veteran quarterback like Cousins that can take a complex system right off the bat and execute it at a high level.

4. Agree, love Jefferson, but Moss was a one in a million talent.