What happened to Production over Potential

JR44 wrote:

Interesting that Sadiq was the other option, who would have at least been better value, however another guy who does not follow their production over potential mantra with less than 2 receptions a game in his 3 years.
If they really liked Banks why at 18 is what I do not get. With Lemon still on the board, teams were trying to trade up, could have at least moved back and then picked him.

You would think that with both Lemon & Freeling still available, that the team would've received at least a couple solid trade offers. But, in order to move from #23 to #20, Philly only had to give up two 4th round picks. They also sent a 7th round pick back to Dallas. It would've cost them more to move up to #18. So , why would they do that?

supafreak84 wrote:

He's the quintessential boom or bust prospect with rare physical tools, but in what world was he BPA on any teams board at 18th overall? That's concerning to me. I can acknowledge that if there were no lingering foot injury that based on his talent alone he would have likely been a top 10 pick...but that's not reality. So yeah the "production over potential" tagline is just more bullshit from the front office. Lemon was literally gift wrapped with a bow to us and it's no coincidence Philly moved up to get him. I acknowledge that defensive line was our biggest need, just surprised they went Banks over McDonald or Peter Woods.

There was at least one.

There will be no middle ground with the outcome. He’s either going to be our own Chris Jones/Akiem Hicks disruptor, or another failed pick. Love that they swung for the fences instead of playing it safe.

Production over traits might come into play Day 2. Matt Miller might still be on point. We’ll know more in about 8 hours.

JustInTime wrote:

There was at least one.
There will be no middle ground with the outcome. He’s either going to be our own Chris Jones/Akiem Hicks disruptor, or another failed pick. Love that they swung for the fences instead of playing it safe.
Production over traits might come into play Day 2. Matt Miller might still be on point. We’ll know more in about 8 hours.

Anyone who takes production over traits deserves what he gets.

MaroonBells wrote:

Anyone who takes production over traits deserves what he gets.

I was thinking Washington vs Coleman for example.

Over/under 100 on the amount of Kyler Murray passes Banks and that wingspan swat down in training camp

I hope Banks stays healthy enough to face Garret Bradbury twice this season. Should be entertaining to watch that matchup.

Obviously, every GM says that the player they picked was BPA on their board.  That said I think most teams boards are already factoring in some amount of weight for positional premiums, scheme fit, and positional need.  I don’t think they’re going to be sorting that out on the fly, so I don’t think they’re outright lying when they say they were BPA on their board, but rather the BPA for a team just includes things you can’t put on a generic big board that doesn’t include team specificity.

Regarding Production vs Potential, did they ever say anything about that or did we just read into all the “Eat your vegetables” statements?  I do think that this is a year where we have several positions where we probably need reliable year one production, so I think the idea is a sound one.

I also think that outside of TE which was taken, and WR, which was always a long shot to take in the first as we’d be having 3 first round WRs and it seems like we’re comfortable in giving Addison a long term contract, the board was lining up for two pass rushing DTs and a couple safeties and we can just get a safety later in the draft it seems.

I also think that Banks is less of a risk than a lot of people were projecting.  Listening to him talk, he seems like he’s got his head screwed on right, so it makes me seem like maybe his college coaching was more of an issue than something internal to him.  I think the team thinks that they can coach him up and get him to the point where maybe even if he’s not a stud, he’s still consuming bodies effectively.  I also think that Flores’s scheme is chaotic enough that the scheme confusion will make his job a lot easier.  Some poor unexpecting soul is going to be tasked with dividing their attention between this athletic specimen and 2 different potential blitzers, and his athleticism is going to put that guy on his ass in year one.

Foot should be solid by camp, but I think it’s always going to be a risk.

JustInTime wrote:

I was thinking Washington vs Coleman for example.

Long before I became the NFL DraftMaster you know and love today, I knew nothing. I would go to the beach and people would kick copies of Buchsbaum in my face.

It all started with Gino Toretta. Now here’s a guy. Great college career, won the Heisman. How did that guy drop to the 7th round? Because he didn’t have NFL traits. I learned then that you’re not looking for good college players; you’re looking for players who project to be good pro players. And sometimes there’s a big difference. 

Nobody had more sacks in FBS history than Jaylon Ferguson. Nobody had more receiving yards in FBS history than Corey Davis. Who had the most passing yards? Case Keenum. Kaleb Johnson had 3,000 yards and 30 TDs at Iowa. But he can’t move laterally, something kinda important at the next level when you're not offered 8-foot holes. Laquon Treadwell had a great career at Ole Miss. He could get by at Ole Miss with just his size. But in the NFL where every DB has elite H/W/S, he failed because he didn’t have the kind of NFL juice required to separate from those guys.

Now, obviously, you have to consider both, but production at the college level is just so misleading. Too many moving parts. Are you throwing passes in a spread offense? Who are the cornerbacks you’re facing? Who are the left tackles? Competition, schemes, surrounds…all misleading IMO. People mock the combine as the Underwear Olympics, but there's a reason for it.