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What happened to Production over Potential

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In FIVE years of college ball, Banks had 20 solo and 28 assisted tackles. 6'6", 330#. By contract, Lee Hunter, had more production in his sophomore season alone with 38 solo and 30 assisted.

And the bigger issue outside of the complete lack of production is a foot injury in 2024 that required surgery, re-injuring the same foot in 2025 that caused him to play in only 3 games, then he breaks his foot at the combine in drills. Does anyone think that a 6'6", 330# with foot injuries 3 years in a row is not going to continue to have issues?! I am just stunned with this pick. I thought with Brez, it was going to be a conservative take the safe. This is a Kwesi pick, which makes me wonder how much influence Grigson and Flores had over the years.

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#1 · Apr 24, 9:16 AM
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I was surprised as well. I would have taken Lemon but now that its done you gotta hope for the best.

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#2 · Apr 24, 9:19 AM
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I think its ok to have some doubt and skepticism with the pick. IMO, prior injuries do not forecast a history of said injuries moving forward, but only time will tell. I think this selection had a high due diligence factor and the choice wasn't made in a vacuum....at all. This was a group decision. I just think the upside, that he was the BPA on their board at pick #18 and how it also was a position of need made it a no-brainer with aforementioned due diligence satisfactorily conducted. JMO.

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#3 · Apr 24, 9:22 AM
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Shrugs GIFLike I said at the time, there’s certain positions you definitely have to account for traits. This was one of those times.

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

Shakespeare 

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The two things that stand out in those videos are "IF his foot isn’t a chronic problem? and "not a lot snaps or production".

Of all the DTs, was my least favorite, because of the complete lack of production for a guy that big. My biggest issue with pick is where we took him, he was a projected round 2 in everything I had seen. Had we taken him there, I would think he would be worth the gamble, but we can't afford to miss on another 1st rounder.

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JR44 wrote:

The two things that stand out in those videos are "IF his foot isn’t a chronic problem? and "not a lot snaps or production".
Of all the DTs, was my least favorite, because of the complete lack of production for a guy that big. My biggest issue with pick is where we took him, he was a projected round 2 in everything I had seen. Had we taken him there, I would think he would be worth the gamble, but we can't afford to miss on another 1st rounder.

I have to admit, his videos are not very impressive. Outside of seemingly one game he didn't seem to be doing much. But then again sometimes it is the havoc makers that don't actually make the plays but set up the rest of the line to get the sack, force the terrible throw etc.

Is this thing STILL on?

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#7 · Apr 24, 9:49 AM
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JR44 wrote:

The two things that stand out in those videos are "IF his foot isn’t a chronic problem? and "not a lot snaps or production".
Of all the DTs, was my least favorite, because of the complete lack of production for a guy that big. My biggest issue with pick is where we took him, he was a projected round 2 in everything I had seen. Had we taken him there, I would think he would be worth the gamble, but we can't afford to miss on another 1st rounder.

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but here's the rationale on it. Wasn't reported he came in on a Top 30 visit.

Krauser

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Lewis reports here that Caleb Banks did attend a Vikings top 30 visit, not known publicly before

Sadiq was their other target. The team's goal was to draft "a potential star"

Thieneman was apparently not considered at #18. It was Banks vs "get overly creative in trading down"

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#8 · Apr 24, 9:50 AM
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@StickierBuns interesting reporting

Is this thing STILL on?

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#9 · Apr 24, 9:52 AM
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The draft is all about traits, prognostication, luck and potential right? I hope the kid stays healthy and we finally got a decent replacement for Kwill..

As others have said; BPA, position of most need, trust in medical staff.

Made their decision an easy one. Now we wait and see and watch the meat of this draft get executed.

“We really felt like we were able to identify a player with a ceiling of what we believe to be a top-10-caliber talent and difference-maker,” O’Connell said.


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Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

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#10 · Apr 24, 9:52 AM
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Mike Olson wrote:

@StickierBuns interesting reporting

“We spent a lot of time making sure we all felt good about it,” head coach Kevin O’Connell said.

There's going to be pressure to hit on this Draft AND hit on a QB1 this year. Part of me really likes they aren't trying to play it safe, that they wanted a superstar player at #18 in a Draft not loaded with them. Banks is definitely potentially one. You have to HELP BFlo and that D with real talent, because you won't get to the Superbowl without a decent defense.

Take a look at this old Draft profile and see if it doesn't sound familiar:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/danielle-hunter/32004855-4e52-9240-4ef3-07ebfed3439a

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#11 · Apr 24, 9:57 AM
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Interesting that Sadiq was the other option, who would have at least been better value, however another guy who does not follow their production over potential mantra with less than 2 receptions a game in his 3 years.

If they really liked Banks why at 18 is what I do not get. With Lemon still on the board, teams were trying to trade up, could have at least moved back and then picked him.

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#12 · Apr 24, 9:58 AM
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JR44 wrote:

Interesting that Sadiq was the other option, who would have at least been better value, however another guy who does not follow their production over potential mantra with less than 2 receptions a game in his 3 years.
If they really liked Banks why at 18 is what I do not get. With Lemon still on the board, teams were trying to trade up, could have at least moved back and then picked him.

Yah, I wouldnt haVe guessed Sadiq would have been that much of an interest to them. Maybe that portends well for acquiring Delp later?

I agree it seems intuitive they could have traded down at 18...

Not sure what their risk/reward calculus was, but they either couldn't get what they wanted or just decided to take the plunge then and there.

They didnt turn that pick card in right away when they were on the clock like other teams did. I suspect they were on the phone taking calls and didnt get an offer they wanted.

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Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

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He's the quintessential boom or bust prospect with rare physical tools, but in what world was he BPA on any teams board at 18th overall? That's concerning to me. I can acknowledge that if there were no lingering foot injury that based on his talent alone he would have likely been a top 10 pick...but that's not reality. So yeah the "production over potential" tagline is just more bullshit from the front office. Lemon was literally gift wrapped with a bow to us and it's no coincidence Philly moved up to get him. I acknowledge that defensive line was our biggest need, just surprised they went Banks over McDonald or Peter Woods.

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#14 · Apr 24, 10:23 AM
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supafreak84 wrote:

He's the quintessential boom or bust prospect with rare physical tools, but in what world was he BPA on any teams board at 18th overall? That's concerning to me. I can acknowledge that if there were no lingering foot injury that based on his talent alone he would have likely been a top 10 pick...but that's not reality. So yeah the "production over potential" tagline is just more bullshit from the front office. Lemon was literally gift wrapped with a bow to us and it's no coincidence Philly moved up to get him. I acknowledge that defensive line was our biggest need, just surprised they went Banks over McDonald or Peter Woods.

I keep reading they wanted to shoot for "star power" at 18...

So they were fixated on Sadiq and (maybe?) the upside of Banks when compared to Woods or McDonald.

To me Lemon would have ticked that box too, but DL was so much more of a need than WR. Not even close. I think this tells us they are pretty happy with top 3 WR today as well.

I understand their logic, not sure I would have gone there myself if it was my call.

Not we gotta hope it turns out and the rest of the draft delivers.

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

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From KOC "Medically, we feel strongly about where Caleb's not only at right now after getting that thing totally fixed up, and having the type of medical team here, orthopedic surgeon-wise, we have some of the best in the world. Lotta people around the league come to some of our folks, specifically in regards to foot and ankle stuff. We spent a lot of time making sure we all felt really good about it."

"We have the best doctors in the country, if not the world," Brzezinski said. "We have complete confidence in them. There's nothing without risk in any player you select, but we feel very good about where Caleb will be when it's time to go to training camp. So we're comfortable with the injury."

The Vikings did all kinds of homework on Banks. They spent time with him at the Senior Bowl, where he had some lethal practice reps against top draft-eligible offensive linemen. They had a formal meeting with him at the combine. They hosted him on a top-30 visit. And they sent new defensive line coach Ryan Nielsen to Gainesville to spend some extra time with Banks. From that extensive process, they came away with all kinds of belief and conviction in the player and the person.

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“A gentleman is someone who can play the accordion, but doesn't." - Tom Waits

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Not exactly the production over potential stance but I remember this…


The Minnesota Vikings drafted Adrian Peterson 7th overall in 2007 despite concerns regarding a fractured collarbone that limited him in his final season at Oklahoma. Despite risks, the team viewed him as a rare generational talent, a decision that proved successful as he became one of the NFL's best running backs

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purplefaithful wrote:

I keep reading they wanted to shoot for "star power" at 18...
So they were fixated on Sadiq and (maybe?) the upside of Banks when compared to Woods or McDonald.
To me Lemon would have ticked that box too, but DL was so much more of a need than WR. Not even close. I think this tells us they are pretty happy with top 3 WR today as well.
I understand their logic, not sure I would have gone there myself if it was my call.
Not we gotta hope it turns out and the rest of the draft delivers.

All indications leading up to the draft was they were going to take the "sure thing" and production over potential, and that's certainly not what happened as we rolled the dice on the biggest DT question mark in the draft...18th overall.

Lemon was cleaner, extremely productive and universally thought of as the better prospect on every draft board. It's a big gamble on physical tools and hoping the foot isn't the lingering issue that it has been. I love the physical tools and potential, but for an organization that needs a sure thing after four years of draft ineptitude...I was surprised this was the route they went

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purplefaithful wrote:

I keep reading they wanted to shoot for "star power" at 18...
So they were fixated on Sadiq and (maybe?) the upside of Banks when compared to Woods or McDonald.
To me Lemon would have ticked that box too, but DL was so much more of a need than WR. Not even close. I think this tells us they are pretty happy with top 3 WR today as well.

I understand their logic, not sure I would have gone there myself if it was my call.
Not we gotta hope it turns out and the rest of the draft delivers.

I'll piggyback a couple of thoughts to this post.

1) IDL is a much greater need than WR3.

2) The WR depth in this draft is much greater than the IDL depth

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MaroonBells wrote:

https://twitter.com/SeifertESPN/status/2047687416463401393

If Banks is your BPA on your board at #18, why would you trade down and expect him to still be there? You pull the trigger. Do you think the Rams care at all what anyone is saying about their selection of Simpson? Absolutely not, they feel via their evaluations he was worth taking at #13 and I'm sure many 'experts' thought they could have traded down as well and still nabbed him. The Rams are considered a top notch organization. Its all value and cuteness until the guy you love is gone because you traded down. The X factor is each NFL team grades their Big Boards uniquely and separately....why go through the exercise of creating a Big Board with all the time and effort that takes to not stay true to it? You just don't know how other teams have guys slotted.

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