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@"Canthony" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Canthony" said: I have a hard time believing that the Vikings will test that knee out on that sloppy nasty field in Chicago. I am guessing they are getting him reps and getting him up to speed for the Packers game. Plus, I believe Case can and will beat the Bears.

he a football player,  and this is pretty much a must win for this team.  Case hasnt shown anything as far as consistent play that should make you think that he can go into soldier on a monday night and lead a team to a win.  If Sam can go,  Sam must go.

I agree with that, but I would think that if they were going to start him on Monday night that they would have had him practicing before Thursday

With the game a day later the weekly practice schedule gets moved back 1 day.  Instead of wed through Friday and travel saturday,   it will be Thursday through saturday and travel sunday. ( or maybe Monday since it's a night game and really close,  I'm not sure on the travel aspect)

I don't care who the damn QB is as long as we win. I also know that I wouldn't want ANYONE coming back from a knee issue and have to play their first game back on that crap field. If we want to win in the playoffs we will need Sam... I also think that Case can beat the Bears or do enough to get us the win.
Just bring him back at home against the Packers.
PS. So much fun here when you have people like you guys have. I have two Uncle Tom's on one board and Pennywise over here.
Just happy at least you are here lol

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Canthony" said: I have a hard time believing that the Vikings will test that knee out on that sloppy nasty field in Chicago. I am guessing they are getting him reps and getting him up to speed for the Packers game. Plus, I believe Case can and will beat the Bears.

he a football player,  and this is pretty much a must win for this team.  Case hasnt shown anything as far as consistent play that should make you think that he can go into soldier on a monday night and lead a team to a win.  If Sam can go,  Sam must go.

I agree with that, but I would think that if they were going to start him on Monday night that they would have had him practicing before Thursday

With the game a day later the weekly practice schedule gets moved back 1 day.  Instead of wed through Friday and travel saturday,   it will be Thursday through saturday and travel sunday. ( or maybe Monday since it's a night game and really close,  I'm not sure on the travel aspect)

I don't care who the damn QB is as long as we win. I also know that I wouldn't want ANYONE coming back from a knee issue and have to play their first game back on that crap field. If we want to win in the playoffs we will need Sam... I also think that Case can beat the Bears or do enough to get us the win.
Just bring him back at home against the Packers.
PS. So much fun here when you have people like you guys have. I have two Uncle Tom's on one board and Pennywise over here.
Just happy at least you are here lol

I'm guessing you have no idea what an Uncle Tom is...

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Canthony" said: I have a hard time believing that the Vikings will test that knee out on that sloppy nasty field in Chicago. I am guessing they are getting him reps and getting him up to speed for the Packers game. Plus, I believe Case can and will beat the Bears.

he a football player,  and this is pretty much a must win for this team.  Case hasnt shown anything as far as consistent play that should make you think that he can go into soldier on a monday night and lead a team to a win.  If Sam can go,  Sam must go.

I agree with that, but I would think that if they were going to start him on Monday night that they would have had him practicing before Thursday

With the game a day later the weekly practice schedule gets moved back 1 day.  Instead of wed through Friday and travel saturday,   it will be Thursday through saturday and travel sunday. ( or maybe Monday since it's a night game and really close,  I'm not sure on the travel aspect)

I don't care who the damn QB is as long as we win. I also know that I wouldn't want ANYONE coming back from a knee issue and have to play their first game back on that crap field. If we want to win in the playoffs we will need Sam... I also think that Case can beat the Bears or do enough to get us the win.
Just bring him back at home against the Packers.
PS. So much fun here when you have people like you guys have. I have two Uncle Tom's on one board and Pennywise over here.
Just happy at least you are here lol

I'm guessing you have no idea what an Uncle Tom is...

@"BarrNone55" said: First good news on Sam in 3 weeks, and Teddy Fan Boi has to piss on it...JFC...

Bullshit. Perfectly viable point. Yes, the Bears have looked good a couple of games this year. But they've got a Rookie QB making his first start with the worst WR Corps in the League.

Going to be a very 1 dimensional Offense against a HC regarded as a Defensive Guru with a healthy unit.

This exactly the kind of team you should beat even with a backup QB. A better than average backup QB with the best Receiving duo going right now, a capable TE and a rushing  attack that has to reestablish an identity without the starting RB.

Both teams are going to be 1 dimensional until Minnesota shows that Murray and McKinnon can replace enough of Cook's production to be respected.

Why bring Sam back when the Bears will be playing pass first and pinning their ears back to get to the QB?

I'd think about  it at home but probably still want him to get that extra week to prepare for GB. On the road? No way.

I offer this perspective:

If Sam is healthy play him...Unlike a year-ago, this OL should be able to keep him upright and they'd better be able to run too.

And as amazing as Bradford was against GB at home last year, with near zero prep, I'd still like to see him knock some rust off Monday night.

Time for us to put our big-boy pants and and play. If they cant win this one against a rookie

Should be able to win this game even without Sam.  Look, I've seen both Mitch and Watson and there's no comparison. Deshaun is mobile but still a pass-first guy. He's poised and experienced as all get out.

And the Bears have no WRs to speak of. Mike can literally play a ton of Man and leave Smith and Sendejo in the box the whole game. Maybe even play way more Base.

But let's say Trubiski comes out and is constantly throwing guys open, keeping the D off balance and giving the run game room and they pull the upset again.

If a healthy Sam comes back and beats GB the team is back to .500 in a weak, wide open Conference.  Hell, outside of KC nobody has consistently looked great so far.

There are going to be multiple teams that stay around .500 for a good chunk of the season and then rip off a 3 game winning streak and make the Playoffs in the NFC.  It's just that kind of year.

Sam comes back and dings his knee again on an awful field against a Defense that won't be respecting the Run Game early and prospects get dim unless Teddy comes back 100% healthy AND sharp.

This just isn't a Must Win in a mediocre NFC.

@"Canthony" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: First good news on Sam in 3 weeks, and Teddy Fan Boi has to piss on it...JFC...

I don't believe I ever said anything about Teddy. Also, I have said I think we need to move on from both of their knee issues.
But you keep saying I don't have a football IQ. I laugh at it.

@"BarrNone55" said: First good news on Sam in 3 weeks, and Teddy Fan Boi has to piss on it...JFC...

Over exaggeration.    The horse is dead you can stop beating it and bury it now.  

@"FSUVike" said: Should be able to win this game even without Sam.  Look, I've seen both Mitch and Watson and there's no comparison. Deshaun is mobile but still a pass-first guy. He's poised and experienced as all get out.

And the Bears have no WRs to speak of. Mike can literally play a ton of Man and leave Smith and Sendejo in the box the whole game. Maybe even play way more Base.

But let's say Trubiski comes out and is constantly throwing guys open, keeping the D off balance and giving the run game room and they pull the upset again.

If a healthy Sam comes back and beats GB the team is back to .500 in a weak, wide open Conference.  Hell, outside of KC nobody has consistently looked great so far.

There are going to be multiple teams that stay around .500 for a good chunk of the season and then rip off a 3 game winning streak and make the Playoffs in the NFC.  It's just that kind of year.

Sam comes back and dings his knee again on an awful field against a Defense that won't be respecting the Run Game early and prospects get dim unless Teddy comes back 100% healthy AND sharp.

This just isn't a Must Win in a mediocre NFC.

I think the cream is going to start rise to the top of the NFC this week

GB vs Dallas
Detroit vs Carolina

I agree hanging around .500 and then make a December run could be enough to get a ticket to the dance, but 0/2 in the Norris with games still @ GB, @ Detroit makes me uneasy. And the Vikings haven't played well in December for various reasons. For them the scheduled was tilted @ home early with only 3 home games after the bye. 

I think this is more of a must win then you, but lets just hope they win. 

FSU, that's all logical, but -this team had a terrible end of 2016, and I think players and coaches remember. Does losing Monday, and going into the GB game on a new 2-game losing streak, throw their self-confidence? I guess the confidence and momentum issues make me feel this is more "must win"...

Looks like the "Don't rush Sam back" crowd made some valid points after all.

@"FSUVike" said: Looks like the "Don't rush Sam back" crowd made some valid points after all.

was he rushed back?  if he looked ok in practice... was he rushed back?  we dont know what happened,  all we know is that he didnt look so hot last night. 

I am sure if Sam didnt want to be out there he wouldnt have been out there.  perhaps he was able to keep the pain masked in the half to three quarter speed of practice,  but when the red jersey came off he worked it a little harder and found out how painful it really was... or it got aggravated early? 

hell most fans are happy when their guys try and go even if hurt (not injured) we piss and moan that they shouldnt have tried.

Completely missed my point. Reports were he was limited in practice. Turf at Soldier's Field sucks. Nobody knew if the Run Game would be respectable enough to stop the Bears from pinning their ears back and going all out to get to Sam. 29th ranked Offense.  26th ranked Defense.

These are all legitimate reasons why Case should have started the Game. An extra week to get more confidence in the knee with hopefully full participation in practice to get his timing back would have helped Sam, hopefully.

@"FSUVike" said: Completely missed my point. Reports were he was limited in practice. Turf at Soldier's Field sucks. Nobody knew if the Run Game would be respectable enough to stop the Bears from pinning their ears back and going all out to get to Sam. 29th ranked Offense.  26th ranked Defense.

These are all legitimate reasons why Case should have started the Game. An extra week to get more confidence in the knee with hopefully full participation in practice to get his timing back would have helped Sam, hopefully.

what reports?  i dont recall any reports saying he was limited.  his status was questionable all week,  but that doesnt mean anything more than they werent positive that he would be the starter which can be just gamesmanship.

he was medically cleared,  which means that his injury wouldnt be worsened by playing on it.  another week of rest may not have done a thing to improve the situation.   

Zim pulled Sam when he was given sufficient time to show that he wasnt as ready as he thought he was.  IMO this was Sams call and all the hand wringing is silly. 

we got the win!