Who's Your Stick and Pick Player?

1A-Derrick Harmon-Best balance of need and talent. He’s nearly bulletproof as a prospect other than playing at 340 at Michigan State. Improved every year. I can play him on the nose, shade, 3T, 4i, or 5T. If this D gets an average push up the middle look out.

1B-Grey Zabel-Starting LG future C, potential swing T, he’ll even sell popcorn and programs. Balled out Senior Bowl week. It’s our year to tape into the small school OL men who excels at the next level.

Honorable Mention- Treyvon Henderson. Any other year this is a no brainer. Pendulum is swinging back in the NFL to an emphasis on running. Last year four teams had 500+ carries. Year before there were zero. Temu Jaymar Gibb. Chunks and cheap TDs galore.

Nick Emmanwori-Hitman is done after this year. Thanos takes over for Mettelus in 26, is in the rotation this year, ST impact guy, and provides actual speed into the back 4 which is lacking (other than Rodgers). Highest ceiling lowest floor. Big nickel, spy, 3rd down LB.

NOLEN

1. Treyveon Henderson- a difference maker on offense in every way possible. Lightning in his cleats. IMO he is arguably the best skill position player in this draft. The best way to help our our young QB is to give him weapons and difference makers and Henderson is special.

2. Derrick Harmon- Talked about a lot and just a stud and brute along the densive line.

3. Tyler Booker or Donovan Jackson- I might give a slight nod to Booker, but either of these guys is a substantial upgrade that could really push this offensive line into elite status. Again, help for the young quarterback and giving him every chance to succeed should be a priority.

JustInTime wrote:
1A-Derrick Harmon-Best balance of need and talent. He’s nearly bulletproof as a prospect other than playing at 340 at Michigan State. Improved every year. I can play him on the nose, shade, 3T, 4i, or 5T. If this D gets an average push up the middle look out. 1B-Grey Zabel-Starting LG future C, potential swing T, he’ll even sell popcorn and programs. Balled out Senior Bowl week. It’s our year to tape into the small school OL men who excels at the next level.

Honorable Mention- Treyvon Henderson. Any other year this is a no brainer. Pendulum is swinging back in the NFL to an emphasis on running. Last year four teams had 500+ carries. Year before there were zero. Temu Jaymar Gibb. Chunks and cheap TDs galore.

Nick Emmanwori-Hitman is done after this year. Thanos takes over for Mettelus in 26, is in the rotation this year, ST impact guy, and provides actual speed into the back 4 which is lacking (other than Rodgers). Highest ceiling lowest floor. Big nickel, spy, 3rd down LB.

Only reason I don't say Harmon is because the 2nd round is loaded with DTs. Zabel I like but I like Donovan Jackson just as much and he might be available 10 picks later, and I think our 1st priority will be to trade down. It will take a sexy mother****er to stick and pick. Assuming we even get offers.

MaroonBells wrote:

Only reason I don't say Harmon is because the 2nd round is loaded with DTs. Zabel I like but I like Donovan Jackson just as much and he might be available 10 picks later, and I think our 1st priority will be to trade down. It will take a sexy mother****er to stick and pick. Assuming we even get offers.

So much speculation that trade-downs will be difficult this draft...I'm not 100% bought into that. 

You said Stick/Pick, I think 0 chance Nolan is there but I'd love that hillbilly strong DT and would run to the podium with the card. 

Broken record time for me -- I would not be happy passing on Henderson. I would be fine trading down a few slots and still land him - thats my win/win.

It's not apparent (to me) that later backs would be able to match TH's projected impact in our offense.

purplefaithful wrote:

It's not apparent (to me) that later backs would be able to match TH's projected impact in our offense.

100%. Draft this man..

purplefaithful wrote:

So much speculation that trade-downs will be difficult this draft...I'm not 100% bought into that. 

You said Stick/Pick, I think 0 chance Nolan is there but I'd love that hillbilly strong DT and would run to the podium with the card. 

Broken record time for me -- I would not be happy passing on Henderson. I would be fine trading down a few slots and still land him - thats my win/win.

It's not apparent (to me) that later backs would be able to match TH's projected impact in our offense.

Not to shit all over your guy, PF, but I always approach it knowing that half the guys we're talking about will be busts. It's just the crapshoot nature of the NFL draft. So if there's a guy with any bust factor at all, I would want to avoid, especially if there are similarly graded players without those concerns still on the board.

For all I know, Nolen will be an All Pro as a rookie. But there ARE some concerns. Lack of consistency, whispers about maturity, 7 different schools in 6 years going back to high school, reports of walking off the practice field. All of this may be true, part of it, or none of it. But I don't like taking chances and we can't afford to miss with our 1st pick if we don't trade down and pick up more.

MaroonBells wrote:

Only reason I don't say Harmon is because the 2nd round is loaded with DTs. Zabel I like but I like Donovan Jackson just as much and he might be available 10 picks later, and I think our 1st priority will be to trade down. It will take a sexy mother****er to stick and pick. Assuming we even get offers.

There’s definitely additional prospects but I’m not seeing any that graded this well:

MaroonBells wrote:

Not to shit all over your guy, PF, but I always approach it knowing that half the guys we're talking about will be busts. It's just the crapshoot nature of the NFL draft. So if there's a guy with any bust factor at all, I would want to avoid, especially if there are similarly graded players without those concerns still on the board.

For all I know, Nolen will be an All Pro as a rookie. But there ARE some concerns. Lack of consistency, whispers about maturity, 7 different schools in 6 years going back to high school, reports of walking off the practice field. All of this may be true, part of it, or none of it. But I don't like taking chances and we can't afford to miss with our 1st pick if we don't trade down and pick up more.

Yup, I read those about him and Stewart too...

I guess I have PTSD re: Treadwell, passing on Hamilton but not DT's!

Banks jr
Tyler Booker
Nolen.

If none of those on the board I trade down, one of the teams needing a safety should make a decent offer.

If those 3 are gone and I am forced to pick, it’s the highest IDL, or IOL on my board.

I love all your guys choices, just not at 24.

Are we talking realistically or also including guys projected to go top 5?

With the RB, DT, and CB depth I'd be hard pressed to stick and pick if there were still 3-4 guys I liked at each position. Trade back and maybe get two instead of one.

Guys that would make me consider sticking and picking:

DT Shemar Stewart
CB Jadhae Barron (draft crush)
RB Trevyeon Henderson

they are going to trade down if at all possible. If the simply cannot get an offer they can go anywhere. I really don't have a single guy at #24 that would be a dream because my dream is a small trade back and get one of the guys they really like.

MAD GAINZ wrote:
Are we talking realistically or also including guys projected to go top 5?

With the RB, DT, and CB depth I'd be hard pressed to stick and pick if there were still 3-4 guys I liked at each position.  Trade back and maybe get two instead of one.

Guys that would make me consider sticking and picking:

DT Shemar Stewart
CB Jadhae Barron (draft crush)
RB Trevyeon Henderson

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Surprised RB is getting so many votes. And one running back in particular, Henderson. Yet consensus has Hampton at 22 and Henderson at 42. But I couldn't agree more. I've had Henderson as RB2 for months and would definitely take him over Hampton. 

Henderson is going to be interesting to watch on draft day. Consensus says you can trade down and get him, but he's also one of the cleanest prospects in this class. I think he'll go earlier than expected.

As good as Henderson might be, I just don't see us burning an early pick after reloading the gun at RB.
The three needs that we have are at Safety #1, OG at #2. (unless they are convinced Brandel's struggles late last season was not having Darrisaw on his left shoulder, and DT for the push.

I say sit and pick and take either:
Emmanwori
Harmon
Zabel

MaroonBells wrote:
Surprised RB is getting so many votes. And one running back in particular, Henderson. Yet consensus has Hampton at 22 and Henderson at 42. But I couldn't agree more. I've had Henderson as RB2 for months and would definitely take him over Hampton. 

Henderson is going to be interesting to watch on draft day. Consensus says you can trade down and get him, but he's also one of the cleanest prospects in this class. I think he'll go earlier than expected.

Hampton is too much of a one speed runner and his lateral agility is average.  He reminds me of Peyton Hillis...  which he had a few good years, but I don't see a star.  Henderson is way more explosive and looks like a younger Aaron Jones.

I think we could trade back and get him in the early second but I don't think you can go much lower than 45.  Hampton, Henderson, Judkins, and Kaleb are probably going start of Day 2 and how they come off is going to depend on teams preference and offensive fit.  Henderson is a perfect fit for us, but other teams may prefer the bigger backs.

MaroonBells wrote:
Surprised RB is getting so many votes. And one running back in particular, Henderson. Yet consensus has Hampton at 22 and Henderson at 42. But I couldn't agree more. I've had Henderson as RB2 for months and would definitely take him over Hampton. 

Henderson is going to be interesting to watch on draft day. Consensus says you can trade down and get him, but he's also one of the cleanest prospects in this class. I think he'll go earlier than expected.

I thought the same thing MB...I would take him all day/every day over Hampton. 

It'll be interesting to see how the chips fall draft night. I still contend RB is higher on their list than most fans might realize. 

Jones is old and Mason is a change of pace guy - not RB1. Plus Barkley is fresh on the minds of all.

purplefaithful wrote:

I thought the same thing MB...I would take him all day/every day over Hampton. 

It'll be interesting to see how the chips fall draft night. I still contend RB is higher on their list than most fans might realize. 

Jones is old and Mason is a change of pace guy - not RB1. Plus Barkley is fresh on the minds of all.

Agree. I don't think it's the most likely position, but it's not the long shot some thing it is. Vegas has RB as +2500! I thought that was worth a Jackson for a potential 26X profit. Those odds don't take into account how much our coach wants to help his young QB..and not just this year, but for years to come, and how much he loves RBs who can pass protect.

Per ESPN talking heads, Schefter, Yates, Schrager, many teams are wanting to trade back and not so many teams wanting to trade up. Though the Vikes will probably want to trade back, it'll be difficult to do so unless we're willing to trade back for a discount. Maybe if Shedeur or Dart are still on the board and an anxious QB needy team really likes one of them. I won't be surprised if the Vikings actually do stick and pick.

Harmon - He is just a monster and have loved him since day one.

Banks/Zabel/Booker - Not a sexy pick, but it is what it is.

Henderson - He just does so much more than just run the ball. He would be a great piece for this offense and JJ for the next 5 years. Henderson does a lot for the offense. He would be a back that would be JJs best friend while knocking people down or taking it to the house.