We really picked Turner over Jared Verse??
This GM has not had the best track record with picks I do not trust anything he does in the draft.
I'm on record as not being the biggest Kwesi fan, but it didn't matter if we picked Turner or Verse because neither was going to overtake AVG or Greenard this season. Verse is also 4 years older than Turner so give Dallas some time. This was a learning year for him trying to grasp a complex defense and by all accounts he progressed as the year went on. We have 3 legit edge guys moving forward who can get after the quarterback in different packages. That's a good problem to have.
Meh his draft history has been atrocious to be kind and I think he’s gonna have another blunder in JJ McCarthy if track record keeps on the same projectory.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41044359/what-vikings-gm-adofo-mensah-learned-disastrous-2022-draft-cine#
I mean at least this isn’t a circle jerk post where we all agree.
JJM was my 2 nd choice in QBs
Turner was my #1 on D.
DH11 wrote:
Meh his draft history has been atrocious to be kind and I think he’s gonna have another blunder in JJ McCarthy if track record keeps on the same projectory.https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41044359/what-vikings-gm-adofo-mensah-learned-disastrous-2022-draft-cine#
Trajectory? You mean winning championships at every level hes played, that trajectory?
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
JimmyinSD wrote:
Trajectory? You mean winning championships at every level hes played, that trajectory?
Merely along for the ride. His Michigan team was up by three touchdowns almost every game at the end of the first quarter. The only game that really he had to do anything (national championship game) it was obvious the coach did not trust him to pass
10-18
140yds
58 passer rating
He was simply atrocious.
The other close came he had in the first half was against Bowling Green and he threw three interceptions and admitted after the game the defense had him confused. lol
He’s in the same mold of Joey Harrington, Christian ponder, Brady Quinn, Tim couch, I could go on and on etc.. simply surrounded by NFL talent that propped him up.
His fate will be the same as the guys I just mentioned - as a matter fact he doesn’t even have the physical skills Christian ponder had. Lol
And really you follow football you should know quarterbacks coming from that kind of program surrounded by NFL talent always have winning records. Pat Mahomes had a losing college record. It means absolutely nothing. It’s a simple way to try to fit peoples false narratives about quarterbacks drafted by their favorite teams
Michigan's Jim Harbaugh said J.J. McCarthy was confused after 3-INT game: 'I don't want him to change' J.J. McCarthy is coming off of a game he would like to forget in his Michigan football career, a game against Bowling Green in which he threw three interceptions and completed only eight of his 13 pass attempts. He looked extremely rattled in the first half of the game, but settled down after Harbaugh began to call strictly running plays.
Lol come on man this Guy is a career back up and our idiot general manager actually picked him in the first round. Lol
Seriously, watch this video. It’s obvious JJ McCarthy cannot read defense. Staring down his first reads not even getting to his second read. This was against Bowling Green! Lol
JimmyinSD wrote:
Trajectory? You mean winning championships at every level hes played, that trajectory?
He has won every level he has played. I have explained this Turner vs Verse with this dude multiple times. Hes 4 years older. Turner was known he will take time to come into his own body. He was 20. Verse is 4 years older. JJ is a winner and has won at every level. Has that factor to him. You know, the things you can't teach. I would take Turner every time over Verse. Turner should have went 8th overall at his age. Not Verse. Dudes just a clown.
DH11 wrote:
Merely along for the ride. His Michigan team was up by three touchdowns almost every game at the end of the first quarter. The only game that really he had to do anything (national championship game) it was obvious the coach did not trust him to pass
10-18
140yds
58 passer rating
He was simply atrocious.The other close came he had in the first half was against Bowling Green and he threw three interceptions and admitted after the game the defense had him confused. lol
He’s in the same mold of Joey Harrington, Christian ponder, Brady Quinn, Tim couch, I could go on and on etc.. simply surrounded by NFL talent that propped him up.
His fate will be the same as the guys I just mentioned - as a matter fact he doesn’t even have the physical skills Christian ponder had. Lol
And really you follow football you should know quarterbacks coming from that kind of program surrounded by NFL talent always have winning records. Pat Mahomes had a losing college record. It means absolutely nothing. It’s a simple way to try to fit peoples false narratives about quarterbacks drafted by their favorite teams
Michigan's Jim Harbaugh said J.J. McCarthy was confused after 3-INT game: 'I don't want him to change' J.J. McCarthy is coming off of a game he would like to forget in his Michigan football career, a game against Bowling Green in which he threw three interceptions and completed only eight of his 13 pass attempts. He looked extremely rattled in the first half of the game, but settled down after Harbaugh began to call strictly running plays.
Lol come on man this Guy is a career back up and our idiot general manager actually picked him in the first round. Lol
Seriously, watch this video. It’s obvious JJ McCarthy cannot read defense. Staring down his first reads not even getting to his second read. This was against Bowling Green! Lol
How many times do I need to prove that you are wrong. JJ was put out with 2's on offense against the 1's on defense and JJ outplayed Darnold. As a 21 year old fucking rookie. They never did that again in camp. Why? Because they knew what they had.
DH11 wrote:
Merely along for the ride. His Michigan team was up by three touchdowns almost every game at the end of the first quarter. The only game that really he had to do anything (national championship game) it was obvious the coach did not trust him to pass
10-18
140yds
58 passer rating
He was simply atrocious.The other close came he had in the first half was against Bowling Green and he threw three interceptions and admitted after the game the defense had him confused. lol
He’s in the same mold of Joey Harrington, Christian ponder, Brady Quinn, Tim couch, I could go on and on etc.. simply surrounded by NFL talent that propped him up.
His fate will be the same as the guys I just mentioned - as a matter fact he doesn’t even have the physical skills Christian ponder had. Lol
And really you follow football you should know quarterbacks coming from that kind of program surrounded by NFL talent always have winning records. Pat Mahomes had a losing college record. It means absolutely nothing. It’s a simple way to try to fit peoples false narratives about quarterbacks drafted by their favorite teams
Michigan's Jim Harbaugh said J.J. McCarthy was confused after 3-INT game: 'I don't want him to change' J.J. McCarthy is coming off of a game he would like to forget in his Michigan football career, a game against Bowling Green in which he threw three interceptions and completed only eight of his 13 pass attempts. He looked extremely rattled in the first half of the game, but settled down after Harbaugh began to call strictly running plays.
Lol come on man this Guy is a career back up and our idiot general manager actually picked him in the first round. Lol
Seriously, watch this video. It’s obvious JJ McCarthy cannot read defense. Staring down his first reads not even getting to his second read. This was against Bowling Green! Lol
You might be right, hell hedging on the side of failure puts the odds in your favor, but like it or not he is the future of this franchise and with Darnold returning to the mean the last half of the season... that future with JJM will start soon.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
StickierBuns wrote:
Verse is a certified dog. Love him. I'm not getting the dog vibe from Dallas Turner. I'm holding off total judgement until I see Turner put on some muscle weight for '25, because he needs it. KAM has to bear some responsibility for his draft picks or lack OF draft picks.
Right, but you can’t screw the pick up if you don’t have them…
JimmyinSD wrote:
Trajectory? You mean winning championships at every level hes played, that trajectory?
Stop making suppository remarks about this poster.
StickierBuns wrote:
Verse is a certified dog. Love him. I'm not getting the dog vibe from Dallas Turner. I'm holding off total judgement until I see Turner put on some muscle weight for '25, because he needs it. KAM has to bear some responsibility for his draft picks or lack OF draft picks.
Jordan Davis and Kyle Hamilton are going to haunt KAM as long as he is with this team IMO. Passing on those 2 and having nothing to show for it is a hard line to erase from your resume.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
JimmyinSD wrote:
Jordan Davis and Kyle Hamilton are going to haunt KAM as long as he is with this team IMO. Passing on those 2 and having nothing to show for it is a hard line to erase from your resume.
Kyle Hamilton for sure, but I don't think anyone's losing sleep over Jordan Davis.
MaroonBells wrote:
Kyle Hamilton for sure, but I don't think anyone's losing sleep over Jordan Davis.
Davis doesnt put up the big numbers, but he demands double teams on about every snap, which is more than we can say for any of our down D-linemen. Him drawing a DT allows LBs and others open lanes to the QB and ball carriers. Think of the Fat Pat or Jerry Ball, and early on Linval Joseph roll and what that allowed our defenses to do in their primes. I think that big ugly in the middle is a huge part of what our D needs.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
JimmyinSD wrote:
Davis doesnt put up the big numbers, but he demands double teams on about every snap, which is more than we can say for any of our down D-linemen. Him drawing a DT allows LBs and others open lanes to the QB and ball carriers. Think of the Fat Pat or Jerry Ball, and early on Linval Joseph roll and what that allowed our defenses to do in their primes. I think that big ugly in the middle is a huge part of what our D needs.
I'm not sure Flores is on board with that. Vikings ranked 2nd in the NFL against the run. What he really needs IMO is interior pass rush, so a guy who can plug the middle and rush the passer (like Dexter Lawrence) would be ideal. Davis had 1 sack all season.
Yah, imagine Gink and Greenard if they had legit interior pressure?
I think its fair to say this team never adequately replaced Shariff Floyd? How long ago was that now?
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
purplefaithful wrote:
Yah, imagine Gink and Greenard if they had legit interior pressure?I think its fair to say this team never adequately replaced Shariff Floyd? How long ago was that now?
I dont recall Floyd ever really having enough of an impact that suggested he needed to be replaced. The potential was there, but I dont recall it ever being close to realized.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
StickierBuns wrote:
Because he was injured. Floyd was on his way to being a huge force in the middle, big time. Aaron Donald lite.
Yeah he was well on his way. Why we passed on Donald for Barr. Floyd before his injury looked phenomenal. He was a force. No one saw that injury derailing his career.
That Eagles DL though. Jordan Davis in the middle, Milton Williams and Jalen Carter outside. Milton Williams is a free agent on a lot of Viking fans wish lists, including mine. Not a great run defender, but he's an elite interior pass rusher.
MaroonBells wrote:
That Eagles DL though. Jordan Davis in the middle, Milton Williams and Jalen Carter outside. Milton Williams is a free agent on a lot of Viking fans wish lists, including mine. Not a great run defender, but he's an elite interior pass rusher.
I think Milton would work here. We have Pace, and I think that would mask an inside guy that isn't as strong in the run defense department. It would allow us to have more of an inside push with Pace being a blanket if needed in run support.
MaroonBells wrote:
I'm not sure Flores is on board with that. Vikings ranked 2nd in the NFL against the run. What he really needs IMO is interior pass rush, so a guy who can plug the middle and rush the passer (like Dexter Lawrence) would be ideal. David had 1 sack all season.
Davis is largely used in run situations so his pass rush stats are shit, likely because they have others like Carter that are much better at it. At Davis's size he isnt an every down guy, but few are...either way I would much rather have had either of these two than the shit show that we ended up with in that draft.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
Canthony wrote:
Yeah he was well on his way. Why we passed on Donald for Barr. Floyd before his injury looked phenomenal. He was a force. No one saw that injury derailing his career.
he played for about 3 years ( 44 games, started 24) , averaged about 1 sack every 4 games, a QB hit every 2 games, and about 2 tackles per game. IIRC there was a lot of talk at the time about him being a bust of a pick compared to the hype that he came in with. I dont think he was on the verge of much, maybe I am mis-remembering, but he certainly wasnt a player that was likely to make my list of great defensive linemen for the Vikings, just another nice piece at best.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
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