Done with Darnold
Re-sign Daniel Jones for 1-yr 10 million and have him and JJ McCarthy compete next year.
Darnold can make some spectacular plays against zone coverage, but he is a "need to see it open" QB. Tight man coverage makes him hold the ball and take unnecessary sacks. Biggest difference tonight is Stafford was getting the ball out on the face of the rush. Darnold just holds it and takes sacks.
Get the comp pick and let's roll with our future.
MAD GAINZ wrote:
Re-sign Daniel Jones for 1-yr 10 million and have him and JJ McCarthy compete next year.Darnold can make some spectacular plays against zone coverage, but he is a "need to see it open" QB. Tight man coverage makes him hold the ball and take unnecessary sacks. Biggest difference tonight is Stafford was getting the ball out on the face of the rush. Darnold just holds it and takes sacks.
Get the comp pick and let's roll with our future.
Darnold wont be drawing a contract rewarding a comp pick.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
I've never seen a players arc change so much in 14 days..... Ever.
This is why ya can't fully judge a new player until AFTER the season is complete.
He was horrible again last night. This time it wasn't that he was off target so much. He held the ball too long, he was indecisive and the boneheaded fumbles returned.
There's no doubt about it. He was terrific for most of the season, but terrible in these last two games. And just like that comeback player of the year, a $40M+ contract and a potential draft pick in trade all go up in smoke.
JimmyinSD wrote:
Darnold wont be drawing a contract rewarding a comp pick.
Huh?
MaroonBells wrote:
Huh?
It's overreaction week here after a loss.
Things I'll say that I'm confident in...
1) Darnold will NOT be tagged by us.
a) He'll get paid by some team this off-season.
b) He's earned at least a Baker-level contract (with 2025 bump so probably 35-40 mil per year).
c) His contract will be large enough figure into the comp pick formula.
2) Kevin O'Connell is a good coach.
a) He's going to get a long extension.
b) It will slot in behind McVay, Shanahan, Harbaugh, etc. until he wins some playoff games.
3) JJ McCarthy will be our starting QB next year barring some bizarro stuff happening. That was the plan and I don't see the Vikings deviating from it at this point. They love the kid.
MaroonBells wrote:
Huh?
He wont get $50M which will negate him giving us a comp pick. He's a high end backup. $10M/yr. Not a starter.
MaroonBells wrote:
Huh?
I dont see him getting the big deal that some had projected, I can see a 1 year bridge/prove it type deal for maybe lower 1/3 starter money, but I dont see anybody going multi year with guarantees and avg north of 35 like many were talking a couple weeks ago.
as the pressures of the season mounted, as the cameras pointed his way and the lights got brighter, his results got worse, he started taking more hits/sacks, his passes started sailing, he looked damn good for the first 1/3 of the season, but even though the wins continued to come, it was apparent that his game was struggling IMO.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
I hope Dimes likes it here and stays for at least 2025. Not sure what kind of contract it will take?
They better have a plan to upgrade the running game, especially if JJM is the starter. It will up his chances of success x3 if they do.
I really believe Sam (at one time) had a chance to secure some kind of extension here. That's most likely gone.
With 14 wins, sniffing the #1 seed, the Vikings had me believing maybe they found a way to be elite this year. They are not.
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
Darnold and/or Jones will definitely garner a comp pick. QBs just make more money than other positions, and while you probably are only giving top tier players $20M plus a year, you wouldn’t blink twice if someone offered Darnold 3 years $100M, which would instantly put him in that top tier of players in the formula. Jones would probably make high backup money and that’s probably enough to get a lower pick back, although I imagine we’ll keep Jones.
I think the real question about comps is that we’ve got so much cap space that we’re probably pretty aggressive in FA, so we could negate a lot of our outgoing FA’s with our incoming FA’s.
AGRforever wrote:
He wont get $50M which will negate him giving us a comp pick. He's a high end backup. $10M/yr. Not a starter.
Huh? The fact that he probably won't get $50M is irrelevant. He's a QB and QBs make a lot more than any other position, so he will definitely be a big factor in the comp pick formula. Even the 49ers got a comp pick for Darnold when he signed with the Vikings for only $10M. $10M is very very low for a QB, but it's very high for the rest of the positions. They all get thrown into the mix.
For example, even if he only gets $25M per, which would put him in Geno Smith territory, that would put him above the highest paid CB in the NFL. Even if he only gets $15M per, which is Gardner Minshew territory, that would put him above what we paid every one of the free agents we signed this year, including Greenard. What's more, the fact that Darnold started all year and was voted to the Pro Bowl factors in as well.
All that factors into how high the comp picks are. Whether we get one, two, three, or none is determined by how many FAs the Vikings will sign (a lot) vs. how many they will lose (a lot). So that's a little harder to predict.
medaille wrote:
Darnold and/or Jones will definitely garner a comp pick. QBs just make more money than other positions, and while you probably are only giving top tier players $20M plus a year, you wouldn’t blink twice if someone offered Darnold 3 years $100M, which would instantly put him in that top tier of players in the formula. Jones would probably make high backup money and that’s probably enough to get a lower pick back, although I imagine we’ll keep Jones.I think the real question about comps is that we’ve got so much cap space that we’re probably pretty aggressive in FA, so we could negate a lot of our outgoing FA’s with our incoming FA’s.
I kind of view it like we are going to be in the same situation as last year comp pick wise. We have a QB who will get starter money that will likely slot into that 3rd or 4th round range of comp pick.
We also have a couple guys (Byron Murphy, Cam Bynum, Cam Robinson, maybe Aaron Jones) who are FAs who could command some bigger money deals from other teams further adding to the comp pick formula. If we re-sign those guys it doesn't negate any comp picks.
We'll certainly add a couple bigger money FAs just like we did this past off-season with Greenard, Van Ginkel, and Cashman.
We'll likely get at least one comp pick in 2026 from this off-season.
MAD GAINZ wrote:
It's overreaction week here after a loss.
Things I'll say that I'm confident in...
1) Darnold will NOT be tagged by us.
a) He'll get paid by some team this off-season.
b) He's earned at least a Baker-level contract (with 2025 bump so probably 35-40 mil per year).
c) His contract will be large enough figure into the comp pick formula.
2) Kevin O'Connell is a good coach.
a) He's going to get a long extension.
b) It will slot in behind McVay, Shanahan, Harbaugh, etc. until he wins some playoff games.
3) JJ McCarthy will be our starting QB next year barring some bizarro stuff happening. That was the plan and I don't see the Vikings deviating from it at this point. They love the kid.
Agree with all of this. I think the last two games probably nixed the tag and trade option, but I do think there's still an outside chance of that with so many teams needing QBs and so few in the draft.
Off the top of my head: Steelers, Titans, Giants, Raiders, Jets, Browns, Saints...
Mattyman wrote:
I've never seen a players arc change so much in 14 days..... Ever.This is why ya can't fully judge a new player until AFTER the season is complete.
yeah, Detroit exposed him big time. Of course Detroit also got away with mugging our WRs, but it rattled Darnold and he never recovered. Thankfully it cleared up any decision for the front office.
purplefaithful wrote:
I hope Dimes likes it here and stays for at least 2025. Not sure what kind of contract it will take?They better have a plan to upgrade the running game, especially if JJM is the starter. It will up his chances of success x3 if they do.
I really believe Sam (at one time) had a chance to secure some kind of extension here. That's most likely gone.
With 14 wins, sniffing the #1 seed, the Vikings had me believing maybe they found a way to be elite this year. They are not.
not bailing off the KOC bandwagon, but that is the one major hole in his scheme. He won't or can't figure out how to run the ball.
Here's what I know about comp picks: they are essentially early fourth rounders at best and most are later than that. This is not where teams make hay in the draft, especially teams that draft as poorly as we have lately.
Yes it's nice to get them but we also are expected to spend a lot in f.a. this off-season which will probably negate any comps that we get.
Folks get too worked up about the subject. These picks don't make or break teams, they are just slightly more valuable than Rick's yearly bonanza of 7th rounders that we all remember so fondly.
Kentis wrote:
As poorly as Sammy finished, he’s likely still the top free agent QB option out there… caveat emptor! :P
Just not with us. With a team that needs a QB with no QB worth it in the draft. Yes, I can see that. Won't and shouldn't be us.
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