I still think Minnesota won't move up before #4 or #5.

Due diligence of course, but I'd say Odunze is more of a target at 11 than he is at 4. 

@"Bullazin" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 

According to @MoveTheSticks, he spoke to multiple #NFL executives who are picking late in the first round about what the #Patriots should do — the unanimous answer?

Trade down. 👀

GMs specifically said trading with the #Vikings, #Broncos, or #Raiders
pic.twitter.com/3Zad0pQVcT

— The Purple Persuasion (@TPPSkol) April 3, 2024

They should trade down, but if I were in their shoes going back to #11 is too far. From what I've heard in the past week or so, teams at the top of the draft want to stay in the top 5. If MN has a preferred QB they may need to secure a top 5 picks and then work with the teams in front of them to jockey for position. 

If I'm the Patriots, I take what is likely to be a godfather offer from the desperate Vikings, then just sit there and see how the QBs fall. I can trade back into the 5-10 range, I can take one at 11, take one at 23 or even take one on day two to compete with Brissett. In some ways, their situation isn't as desperate as the Vikings. Vikings have a shiny sports car awaiting a driver. Patriots haven't built the car yet.  

To be most reasonable, Pro’s should never get desperate.  Yes, Fans are desperate, including me.  Yes, Vegas has us at 7 wins.

 What the hell is wrong with Bo Nix at 11(even though I am not that keen on him and who knows, the Jets or Broncs may be). 

BFlo is gonna BFlo. We have 2 all world OT’s and serviceable G’s.  I would upgrade the IOL and IDL in the draft if that is the best reasonable options, and there will be good options at 11 and 23. 
I’ve said it 10 times over, build this effer from the inside out there are Keenum’s available every year until you get the QB you want. 

@"pattersaur" said:

@"comet52" said: Kwesi gonna get fleeced again, I can feel it in my bones.

Honestly, I hope so. Getting fleeced and getting the QB we want versus getting QB6 at 11 or rolling with Darnold. Which option would make you more excited for the upcoming season/the future? I know what I'd choose. If the QB busts and we have no early picks for the next year or 2 we're gonna be last in the north. Guess what-- we're gonna be last in the north with Darnold probably anyway.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 

According to @MoveTheSticks, he spoke to multiple #NFL executives who are picking late in the first round about what the #Patriots should do — the unanimous answer?

Trade down. 👀

GMs specifically said trading with the #Vikings, #Broncos, or #Raiders
pic.twitter.com/3Zad0pQVcT

— The Purple Persuasion (@TPPSkol) April 3, 2024

They should trade down, but if I were in their shoes going back to #11 is too far. From what I've heard in the past week or so, teams at the top of the draft want to stay in the top 5. If MN has a preferred QB they may need to secure a top 5 picks and then work with the teams in front of them to jockey for position. 

If I'm the Patriots, I take what is likely to be a godfather offer from the desperate Vikings, then just sit there and see how the QBs fall. I can trade back into the 5-10 range, I can take one at 11, take one at 23 or even take one on day two to compete with Brissett. In some ways, their situation isn't as desperate as the Vikings. Vikings have a shiny sports car awaiting a driver. Patriots haven't built the car yet.  

@"NorseFeathers" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 

According to @MoveTheSticks, he spoke to multiple #NFL executives who are picking late in the first round about what the #Patriots should do — the unanimous answer?

Trade down. 👀

GMs specifically said trading with the #Vikings, #Broncos, or #Raiders
pic.twitter.com/3Zad0pQVcT

— The Purple Persuasion (@TPPSkol) April 3, 2024

They should trade down, but if I were in their shoes going back to #11 is too far. From what I've heard in the past week or so, teams at the top of the draft want to stay in the top 5. If MN has a preferred QB they may need to secure a top 5 picks and then work with the teams in front of them to jockey for position. 

If I'm the Patriots, I take what is likely to be a godfather offer from the desperate Vikings, then just sit there and see how the QBs fall. I can trade back into the 5-10 range, I can take one at 11, take one at 23 or even take one on day two to compete with Brissett. In some ways, their situation isn't as desperate as the Vikings. Vikings have a shiny sports car awaiting a driver. Patriots haven't built the car yet.  

This guy thinks he's found a somewhat reliable leak from one of the Patriot's scouts that the godfather offer to the Patriots is already in place and that Maye is going to be a Viking (depending on what Washington does with their #2 pick).

I go back to this comment made by Colin Cowherd on March 15: "Outside of Caleb Williams, who I think has the unique talent to thrive wherever he's drafted, the second most successful QB in this draft will be whoever Kevin O'Connell of the Vikings lands. That's my official QB bet of the draft," Cowherd posted on his official twitter account.
I don't know how much stock to put in Cowherd's comments, but the respect he's got for KOC turning any of the top 6 QBs into a solid NFL QB says to me to NOT trade up, take the best of who falls to you at 11 and take either DT/IDL or BPA at 23.  

@"Montana Tom" said: I go back to this comment made by Colin Cowherd on March 15: "Outside of Caleb Williams, who I think has the unique talent to thrive wherever he's drafted, the second most successful QB in this draft will be whoever Kevin O'Connell of the Vikings lands. That's my official QB bet of the draft," Cowherd posted on his official twitter account. I don't know how much stock to put in Cowherd's comments, but the respect he's got for KOC turning any of the top 6 QBs into a solid NFL QB says to me to NOT trade up, take the best of who falls to you at 11 and take either DT/IDL or BPA at 23.  

I'm not sure how KOC is getting all this credit as some kind of quarterback whisperer. I think he's getting credit for Cousins and the strange circumstances with Dobbs in his first game, but it's widely known he runs an extremely complex system and he never catered the offense to whichever quarterback he had starting outside of the Dobbs sideshow where they were basically drawing up plays in the sand. The more exposure and time Dobbs got learning the offense, the worse he became. Dobbs, Hall and Mullens all looked lost. So I'll hold off on anointing KOC as the next Don Coryell until there's something to base it on. This is typical Cowherd just getting a hard on over a particular coach or player. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Montana Tom" said: I go back to this comment made by Colin Cowherd on March 15: "Outside of Caleb Williams, who I think has the unique talent to thrive wherever he's drafted, the second most successful QB in this draft will be whoever Kevin O'Connell of the Vikings lands. That's my official QB bet of the draft," Cowherd posted on his official twitter account. I don't know how much stock to put in Cowherd's comments, but the respect he's got for KOC turning any of the top 6 QBs into a solid NFL QB says to me to NOT trade up, take the best of who falls to you at 11 and take either DT/IDL or BPA at 23.  

I'm not sure how KOC is getting all this credit as some kind of quarterback whisperer. I think he's getting credit for Cousins and the strange circumstances with Dobbs in his first game, but it's widely known he runs an extremely complex system and he never catered the offense to whichever quarterback he had starting outside of the Dobbs sideshow where they were basically drawing up plays in the sand. The more exposure and time Dobbs got learning the offense, the worse he became. Dobbs, Hall and Mullens all looked lost. So I'll hold off on anointing KOC as the next Don Coryell until there's something to base it on. This is typical Cowherd just getting a hard on over a particular coach or player. 

@"Greylock" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Montana Tom" said: I go back to this comment made by Colin Cowherd on March 15: "Outside of Caleb Williams, who I think has the unique talent to thrive wherever he's drafted, the second most successful QB in this draft will be whoever Kevin O'Connell of the Vikings lands. That's my official QB bet of the draft," Cowherd posted on his official twitter account. I don't know how much stock to put in Cowherd's comments, but the respect he's got for KOC turning any of the top 6 QBs into a solid NFL QB says to me to NOT trade up, take the best of who falls to you at 11 and take either DT/IDL or BPA at 23.  

I'm not sure how KOC is getting all this credit as some kind of quarterback whisperer. I think he's getting credit for Cousins and the strange circumstances with Dobbs in his first game, but it's widely known he runs an extremely complex system and he never catered the offense to whichever quarterback he had starting outside of the Dobbs sideshow where they were basically drawing up plays in the sand. The more exposure and time Dobbs got learning the offense, the worse he became. Dobbs, Hall and Mullens all looked lost. So I'll hold off on anointing KOC as the next Don Coryell until there's something to base it on. This is typical Cowherd just getting a hard on over a particular coach or player. 

Sort of like Zimmer getting credit as the cornerback whisper.  All of their top corner picks and they never really did become a shut down group.  Not sure how or why he got the credit for developing corners.

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"comet52" said: Kwesi gonna get fleeced again, I can feel it in my bones.

Honestly, I hope so. Getting fleeced and getting the QB we want versus getting QB6 at 11 or rolling with Darnold. Which option would make you more excited for the upcoming season/the future? I know what I'd choose. If the QB busts and we have no early picks for the next year or 2 we're gonna be last in the north. Guess what-- we're gonna be last in the north with Darnold probably anyway.

Fleeced or not, if they don't move up from 11 to get above the Bears 2nd pick, Chicago will trade the pick to Denver or Vegas. He also will need to get above 6 to keep the Giants from taking their guy. Time will tell what that takes.

@"Montana Tom" said: I go back to this comment made by Colin Cowherd on March 15: "Outside of Caleb Williams, who I think has the unique talent to thrive wherever he's drafted, the second most successful QB in this draft will be whoever Kevin O'Connell of the Vikings lands. That's my official QB bet of the draft," Cowherd posted on his official twitter account. I don't know how much stock to put in Cowherd's comments, but the respect he's got for KOC turning any of the top 6 QBs into a solid NFL QB says to me to NOT trade up, take the best of who falls to you at 11 and take either DT/IDL or BPA at 23.  

If the Vikings somehow get shutout on  getting the QB they want,  I could see him trading 23 this year for a  mid 2nd  this year and a 1st next year.  

Shrewd move to give himself options.

 I just wonder if 5 QB's are gonna go in the top 10 picks.   

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Washington might take JJ at 2. He's either way higher than everyone thinks or he's the biggest, fattest, reddist red herring anyone's ever seen. 

That’s news…

https://t.co/7K31Wz2NTD

— Warren Ludford (@wludford) March 25, 2024

I don’t know who is trying to sell that nonsense, but Jayden Daniels had an objectively solid pro day. He threw the ball with more distance and velocity than probably anyone expected. He showed really good arm talent. 
The pro days are on YouTube. We don’t need rumors from people who don’t know what they are talking about. The only guy who had a less than steller Pro Day was Drake Maye. He showed some poor accuracy on out routes and missed by large margins on a couple. He made up fo some of the poor throws with elite throws down the field. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:

@"FLVike" said:

@"Mattyman" said:

@"Montana Tom" said: I go back to this comment made by Colin Cowherd on March 15: "Outside of Caleb Williams, who I think has the unique talent to thrive wherever he's drafted, the second most successful QB in this draft will be whoever Kevin O'Connell of the Vikings lands. That's my official QB bet of the draft," Cowherd posted on his official twitter account. I don't know how much stock to put in Cowherd's comments, but the respect he's got for KOC turning any of the top 6 QBs into a solid NFL QB says to me to NOT trade up, take the best of who falls to you at 11 and take either DT/IDL or BPA at 23.  

If the Vikings somehow get shutout on  getting the QB they want,  I could see him trading 23 this year for a  mid 2nd  this year and a 1st next year.  

Shrewd move to give himself options.

 I just wonder if 5 QB's are gonna go in the top 10 picks.   

IMO I don't think the Giants will go QB so if nobody trades up we will get at least QB-4 at 11

I agree that the Giants likely won't take a QB, but they are the team that scares me the most. Mostly because their trade up from 6 to 4 is probably a lot more appealing to the Cards than ours. At 6, they're guaranteed one of the top two WRs.

If the Vikings somehow get shutout on  getting the QB they want,  I could see him trading 23 this year for a  mid 2nd  this year and a 1st next year.  

Shrewd move to give himself options.

 I just wonder if 5 QB's are gonna go in the top 10 picks.   

Some will say this is nuts, but with this class?  I think 4 go in the top 10. 

40% of the top 10 will be QB's in 24. 

One strategy, if the Vikings decide not to mortgage the ranch, is to let all of the QB needy teams shoot their wads in this year's draft, leaving the Vikings with less competition for a QB in next year's draft. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Vikings next year's 1st rounder be a high pick. But I'm hoping the Vikings go "all in" this year and get the QB they covet.

@"NorseFeathers" said:

One strategy, if the Vikings decide not to mortgage the ranch, is to let all of the QB needy teams shoot their wads in this year's draft, leaving the Vikings with less competition for a QB in next year's draft. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Vikings next year's 1st rounder be a high pick. But I'm hoping the Vikings go "all in" this year and get the QB they covet.

there is a lot less talent projected for next years draft though too,  we are seeing essentially 2 years of QB talent in this years draft.  I think we are in a position to make something happen,  make it happen instead of hoping that things fall into place for us next year.