Kipers new Mock

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Absolutely. I'd even throw in a 3rd rounder if that's what it took. If you hit on a franchise QB and put him into one of the best surrounds in the NFL, and get to pay him peanuts for 4 years, nobody's going to give a damn about what it took to get him. 

It may very well take some additional garnishment (as to how the media draftniks refer to it)...

Am I comfortable giving up this much capital? NO

 More importantly, do I trust the org to pick the right guy? Sometimes
 
 I dont believe the system is flawed in choosing QB's from the college ranks. Rather I believe a very high % of these kids are ruined coming into bad situations. 

 Do I think the Vikings offer more positives (vs the avg team) in terms of surround to curate a QB?  YES 

 Do I think the Vikings will eventually move up that high in the draft? No, but it may not be for lack of trying

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Absolutely. I'd even throw in a 3rd rounder if that's what it took. If you hit on a franchise QB and put him into one of the best surrounds in the NFL, and get to pay him peanuts for 4 years, nobody's going to give a damn about what it took to get him. 

It may very well take some additional garnishment (as to how the media draftniks refer to it)...

Am I comfortable giving up this much capital? NO

 More importantly, do I trust the org to pick the right guy? Sometimes
 
 I dont believe the system is flawed in choosing QB's from the college ranks. Rather I believe a very high % of these kids are ruined coming into bad situations. 

 Do I think the Vikings offer more positives (vs the avg team) in terms of surround to curate a QB?  YES 

 Do I think the Vikings will eventually move up that high in the draft? No, but it may not be for lack of trying

I worry about striking out. Worst case, the Viking try to trade up and are turned down. Raiders jump to 10 for Nix, we take defense at 11, then get jumped for Penix at 23. 

Vikings go into the season with Darnold and no one else. JJ is concerned. Fans and media question the wisdom of not paying Kirk what it took to keep him, question the wisdom of not paying what it took to move up for their guy...two years in a row. 

No, I say identify your guy, go get your guy. Cost be damned. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Well, I have been preaching on here for years to carpe diem and go get your guy.  Do your due diligence and then your job (GM - big boy pants) and get your guy.  

We currently have enough ammo to get to 4 assuming Cards are willing.  We are supposedly playing footsie with the Pats at 3.  Under zero/0/zero circumstances is JJ part of the conversation.  Mentioning Addison as a replacement for JJ is just ridiculous.  Addison is a potential nice 2 while JJ is the best #1 WR in the NFL.  Addison needs to stay healthy with his slight frame and got dinged mid-season and his stats did drop other than the 1 Cincy game which was awesome.  Anyway, here's to hoping Addison can continue to excel at 2.  

Back to QB draft, it makes sense to talk to every team about possible trade ups.  I do believe in where there is smoke there is fire, so I do think we are talking with Pats at 3.  Value charts indicate we would give them our 11, 23 and next year's 3rd.  I would not have a problem with that IF we have our guy sitting there.  If the Pats want more then next year's 3rd, then we have sweetened up we don't have a 2nd rounder.  So maybe we can go 3rd and 4th in 2025.  Sucks but again we are getting our guy and not giving up JJ or next year's first rounder.  

Now if it comes down to having to give up next year's first rounder or JJ, I give up next year's unknown first round player vs the proven best WR in football.  

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything. 

You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything. 

You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you. 

Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...

And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything. 

You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you. 

Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...

And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left. 

Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.

Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda! 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything. 

You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you. 

Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...

And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left. 

Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.

Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda! 

Annnnd there's the side step and deflect..about what I expected. Thank you for your contributions 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Who's deflecting? What about the competitive rebuild didn't work? The shitload of injuries? I still don't get that part. 

I've said ad nauseam my point and all you keep saying is 'we should consider trading JJ'. Its an opinion for sure, but its not a good one. It makes no sense. I mean go review my points if it hasn't sunk in. Look at other like minded replies. The logic is there. I understand your point, you want to do whatever it takes to get the #2 or #3 QB in the Draft. Including trading JJ but not giving up draft picks? It's weird.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything. 

You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you. 

Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...

And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left. 

Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.

Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda! 

@"pattersaur" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything. 

You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you. 

Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...

And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left. 

Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.

Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda! 

In fairness to Supa I think you and Maroon were pretty confident we'd be good last year, were pretty confident in Mattison (sup Jimmy!) and pretty confident we'd re-sign Kirk.
I've been wrong about a million things over the years-- I wanted Manziel, I was smitten with Dobbs lol-- it's all fun. Razzing each other on it is what we're all here for. And for that glorious day when the Vikings are kings of the league, of course.

@"pattersaur" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything. 

You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you. 

Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...

And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left. 

Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.

Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda! 

In fairness to Supa I think you and Maroon were pretty confident we'd be good last year, were pretty confident in Mattison (sup Jimmy!) and pretty confident we'd re-sign Kirk.
I've been wrong about a million things over the years-- I wanted Manziel, I was smitten with Dobbs lol-- it's all fun. Razzing each other on it is what we're all here for. And for that glorious day when the Vikings are kings of the league, of course.

@"pattersaur" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo. 

Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks. 

So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.

Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB. 

Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better. 

Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later. 

Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. 

Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything. 

You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you. 

Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...

And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left. 

Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.

Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda! 

In fairness to Supa I think you and Maroon were pretty confident we'd be good last year, were pretty confident in Mattison (sup Jimmy!) and pretty confident we'd re-sign Kirk.
I've been wrong about a million things over the years-- I wanted Manziel, I was smitten with Dobbs lol-- it's all fun. Razzing each other on it is what we're all here for. And for that glorious day when the Vikings are kings of the league, of course.

@supafreak84

I don't know why you are against trading future picks for that QB.  There isn't a guarantee that they'll be studs or even starters. 

If we use your trade scenario from earlier where it's 11, 23, and our 2025 first to get to #3, what would that look like?  If we look back at our past two drafts, that would be Lewis Cine, Andrew Booth, and Jordan Addison not being on our team. Addison is the only good player, but I think we could live without those 3 if we hit on a franchise QB.

Or if we want to ignore Kwesi's dumb ass trade in 2022 and say we took Kyle Hamilton (All-Pro S), Ed Ingram, and Jordan Addison...  like I think we could still be a competitive team without having those guys, especially if we hit on that rookie QB.  Right?

Honestly, you should be praying we trade those picks so Kwesi doesn't have a chance to turn those picks into garbage.  Kevin is picking the QB so I'd trust him on that pick more than letting Kwesi cook on any non-QB picks.

@"Wetlander" said: @supafreak84

I don't know why you are against trading future picks for that QB.  There isn't a guarantee that they'll be studs or even starters. 

If we use your trade scenario from earlier where it's 11, 23, and our 2025 first to get to #3, what would that look like?  If we look back at our past two drafts, that would be Lewis Cine, Andrew Booth, and Jordan Addison not being on our team. Addison is the only good player, but I think we could live without those 3 if we hit on a franchise QB.

Or if we want to ignore Kwesi's dumb ass trade in 2022 and say we took Kyle Hamilton (All-Pro S), Ed Ingram, and Jordan Addison...  like I think we could still be a competitive team without having those guys, especially if we hit on that rookie QB.  Right?

Honestly, you should be praying we trade those picks so Kwesi doesn't have a chance to turn those picks into garbage.  Kevin is picking the QB so I'd trust him on that pick more than letting Kwesi cook on any non-QB picks.

We'll see, I just want this done already and the paralysis by analysis to be over