Seeing some rumors that Vikings are in discussion with the Commanders….

will be interesting to see if a trade is finalized today. lots of smoke

@"Havoc1649" said: Jayden Daniels, JJM, Maye? Guy claiming Maye

Anyone else hearing anything? Saw a little thing from USA Today saying Commanders.

I would be surprised if they weren't having conversations with all of them. But it does present an interesting situation. If they get to 2, would they take Daniels over Maye or McCarthy? Daniels is an exciting player, but is he what KOC is looking for? 

Its Maye if they get #2. Daniels is no fit for KOC. He is most comfortable with a pocket guy given his track record.
that said i like Daniels but like Maye a bit better.

I'm with Supa on this -- much as I would love to see Daniels wearing purple again in the pros? Moving up to #2 scares the bejeezus out of me...

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: Jayden Daniels, JJM, Maye? Guy claiming Maye

Anyone else hearing anything? Saw a little thing from USA Today saying Commanders.

I would be surprised if they weren't having conversations with all of them. But it does present an interesting situation. If they get to 2, would they take Daniels over Maye or McCarthy? Daniels is an exciting player, but is he what KOC is looking for? 

Going up to 2 would gut our drafts the next 2 years.  11, 23, 2025 1st + something else might leave us with no Day 1 or 2 picks until 2026.  Yikes.

@"RS Express" said: Going up to 2 would gut our drafts the next 2 years.  11, 23, 2025 1st + something else might leave us with no Day 1 or 2 picks until 2026.  Yikes.

This is exactly correct. The draft is the lifeblood for teams, but many on this board will say, "well that's OK because we now have 100 million to spend in free agency next year so F them picks." I don't know if that's a sound philosophy in team building, but it's what we are doing so hoping it works out. But if our drafts are gutted the next few years because we are being forced to trade up as expected, you can thank the "competitive rebuild" for it. 

@"kmillard" said: will be interesting to see if a trade is finalized today. lots of smoke

Nah....this thing is going to play out a bit I think. Unfortunately.

@"RS Express" said: Going up to 2 would gut our drafts the next 2 years.  11, 23, 2025 1st + something else might leave us with no Day 1 or 2 picks until 2026.  Yikes.

I'd be shocked if Minnesota is looking to move up that far, I think that's bullshit. 

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm with Supa on this -- much as I would love to see Daniels wearing purple again in the pros? Moving up to #2 scares the bejeezus out of me...

Because of the cost to move up one more? I think the cost to move to 4 or 5 is what we have: the two firsts. To move to 3, I think you'd have to add the '25 1st, because of how the league views the top 3 QBs. I just don't think moving up one more slot in this particular season, which is essentially the difference between Daniels and Maye, would add much to the comp. I don't think very many teams have one ranked much higher than the other. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm with Supa on this -- much as I would love to see Daniels wearing purple again in the pros? Moving up to #2 scares the bejeezus out of me...

Because of the cost to move up one more? I think the cost to move to 4 or 5 is what we have: the two firsts. To move to 3, I think you'd have to add the '25 1st, because of how the league views the top 3 QBs. I just don't think moving up one more slot in this particular season, which is essentially the difference between Daniels and Maye, would add much to the comp. I don't think very many teams have one ranked much higher than the other. 

There's no way that Washington is giving up that 2 spot when they have absolutely nothing for a QB. This is their shot just like NE's. The top 3 spots aren't going to move off with such a huge void at that position.

Vikings to 2 is a different ball game in regards to Caleb Williams.  I could see shenanigans ensue.  I would be ok with that LOL.  

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no way that Washington is giving up that 2 spot when they have absolutely nothing for a QB. This is their shot just like NE's. The top 3 spots aren't going to move off with such a huge void at that position.

unless they dont view the QB boards the same way the talking heads do.  there is better than good chance Penix and Nix are there at 11,  possibly even JJM,  so if they are ok with any of those 3,  smart money is to take the trade,  get one of those 3 at 11,  add another quality player at 23,  and most likely looking at 2 more firsts next year inside the top 20.  I just dont see the value in moving up for one of the top 3,  when there isnt really a consensus who the top 3 QBs in this draft really are,  but I also say KAMs job is on the line here,  if he is that sold on one of those guys,  then I dont fault him for being bold,  just better be right.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no way that Washington is giving up that 2 spot when they have absolutely nothing for a QB. This is their shot just like NE's. The top 3 spots aren't going to move off with such a huge void at that position.

unless they dont view the QB boards the same way the talking heads do.  there is better than good chance Penix and Nix are there at 11,  possibly even JJM,  so if they are ok with any of those 3,  smart money is to take the trade,  get one of those 3 at 11,  add another quality player at 23,  and most likely looking at 2 more firsts next year inside the top 20.  I just dont see the value in moving up for one of the top 3,  when there isnt really a consensus who the top 3 QBs in this draft really are,  but I also say KAMs job is on the line here,  if he is that sold on one of those guys,  then I dont fault him for being bold,  just better be right.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no way that Washington is giving up that 2 spot when they have absolutely nothing for a QB. This is their shot just like NE's. The top 3 spots aren't going to move off with such a huge void at that position.

unless they dont view the QB boards the same way the talking heads do.  there is better than good chance Penix and Nix are there at 11,  possibly even JJM,  so if they are ok with any of those 3,  smart money is to take the trade,  get one of those 3 at 11,  add another quality player at 23,  and most likely looking at 2 more firsts next year inside the top 20.  I just dont see the value in moving up for one of the top 3,  when there isnt really a consensus who the top 3 QBs in this draft really are,  but I also say KAMs job is on the line here,  if he is that sold on one of those guys,  then I dont fault him for being bold,  just better be right.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no way that Washington is giving up that 2 spot when they have absolutely nothing for a QB. This is their shot just like NE's. The top 3 spots aren't going to move off with such a huge void at that position.

unless they dont view the QB boards the same way the talking heads do.  there is better than good chance Penix and Nix are there at 11,  possibly even JJM,  so if they are ok with any of those 3,  smart money is to take the trade,  get one of those 3 at 11,  add another quality player at 23,  and most likely looking at 2 more firsts next year inside the top 20.  I just dont see the value in moving up for one of the top 3,  when there isnt really a consensus who the top 3 QBs in this draft really are,  but I also say KAMs job is on the line here,  if he is that sold on one of those guys,  then I dont fault him for being bold,  just better be right.

@"Waterboy" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no way that Washington is giving up that 2 spot when they have absolutely nothing for a QB. This is their shot just like NE's. The top 3 spots aren't going to move off with such a huge void at that position.

unless they dont view the QB boards the same way the talking heads do.  there is better than good chance Penix and Nix are there at 11,  possibly even JJM,  so if they are ok with any of those 3,  smart money is to take the trade,  get one of those 3 at 11,  add another quality player at 23,  and most likely looking at 2 more firsts next year inside the top 20.  I just dont see the value in moving up for one of the top 3,  when there isnt really a consensus who the top 3 QBs in this draft really are,  but I also say KAMs job is on the line here,  if he is that sold on one of those guys,  then I dont fault him for being bold,  just better be right.

That's exactly the point.  The most important part of this whole equation is being right.  If we have guys that know what to look for and we know some other team is likely to block our path to a QB we want, we elbow them out of the way and do everything in our might to get him.  You're going to get one good shot at this, and it's time to act.   It doesn't guarantee anything, but if you're right it's a home run.  If you're wrong, we'll likely get another shot in the next few years.  LOL

@"Greylock" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no way that Washington is giving up that 2 spot when they have absolutely nothing for a QB. This is their shot just like NE's. The top 3 spots aren't going to move off with such a huge void at that position.

unless they dont view the QB boards the same way the talking heads do.  there is better than good chance Penix and Nix are there at 11,  possibly even JJM,  so if they are ok with any of those 3,  smart money is to take the trade,  get one of those 3 at 11,  add another quality player at 23,  and most likely looking at 2 more firsts next year inside the top 20.  I just dont see the value in moving up for one of the top 3,  when there isnt really a consensus who the top 3 QBs in this draft really are,  but I also say KAMs job is on the line here,  if he is that sold on one of those guys,  then I dont fault him for being bold,  just better be right.

If they are going to stay where they are there is no reason to make the trade for another 1st round pick until draft night to see what players are going to be available.  I may not be seeing this the way you are but where are you getting 2 first next year?

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no way that Washington is giving up that 2 spot when they have absolutely nothing for a QB. This is their shot just like NE's. The top 3 spots aren't going to move off with such a huge void at that position.

unless they dont view the QB boards the same way the talking heads do.  there is better than good chance Penix and Nix are there at 11,  possibly even JJM,  so if they are ok with any of those 3,  smart money is to take the trade,  get one of those 3 at 11,  add another quality player at 23,  and most likely looking at 2 more firsts next year inside the top 20.  I just dont see the value in moving up for one of the top 3,  when there isnt really a consensus who the top 3 QBs in this draft really are,  but I also say KAMs job is on the line here,  if he is that sold on one of those guys,  then I dont fault him for being bold,  just better be right.

I think it's O'Connell that's picking out the QBOTF not Kwesi.  I do think Kwesi is pulling the strings to try to make options available to land the QB O'Connell would like, but I doubt KAM would pick any QB that KOC didn't want.