Where will DH end-up?
I think the odds are lower than Kirko that he comes back to the Vikings...
NE has a ton of $ now. He'd look pretty scary lined-up opposite Hutchinson.
Edge is so valued, I think another team will blow him away with an offer.
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
Good question. Hopefully in the AFC somewhere
with our luck the lions
Bears
https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks
Vikings aren't gonna receive a pick when he walks.
Why didn't Kwesi trade him last season?
Makes no sense. The Vikings owe Lions a 3rd for Hock
@"Mattyman" said: https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picksVikings aren't gonna receive a pick when he walks.
Why didn't Kwesi trade him last season?
Makes no sense. The Vikings owe Lions a 3rd for Hock
Why wouldn't they if he signs a top money deal and the Vikings don't cancel it out with a signing of their own..which they would likely do. Do you see another reason?
By the way, I agree they should have dumped him if they weren't going to offer the kind of deal he wanted. A 2nd or 3rd for sure this year would be better than maybe a 3rd or later next year.
I don't think we can lose both. If we do, then what the hell are we doing? The Vikings cleaned the cupboards last year and have a shit ton of cap space this year and even more next year.
If the Vikings are unable to come to terms with Cousins, I think they pay Hunter and hit free agency hard to add more talent to the defense. We'll need to considering the picks we're going to give up to replace Cousins.
@"Mattyman" said: https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picksVikings aren't gonna receive a pick when he walks.
Why didn't Kwesi trade him last season?
Makes no sense. The Vikings owe Lions a 3rd for Hock
The Vikings and Lions swapped the Vikings' third round pick this year for the Lions' fourth round pick, in addition to the Vikings' second round pick last year for Hockenson.
As for Hunter, I believe the Vikings are eligible for draft compensation if he signs elsewhere. Whether they get a pick or not depends on who the Vikings sign. Same for Cousins.
@"dadevike" said:@"Mattyman" said: https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picksVikings aren't gonna receive a pick when he walks.
Why didn't Kwesi trade him last season?
Makes no sense. The Vikings owe Lions a 3rd for Hock
The Vikings and Lions swapped the Vikings' third round pick this year for the Lions' fourth round pick, in addition to the Vikings' second round pick last year for Hockenson.As for Hunter, I believe the Vikings are eligible for draft compensation if he signs elsewhere. Whether they get a pick or not depends on who the Vikings sign. Same for Cousins.
Those picks are a year later, by then you should have addressed the loses that earned you those draft picks. Also being a year later it's essentially a full round lower and with the comp picks being at the end of whatever round they are tendered is essentially already 1 round lower. So even if we were to get a 3rd round comp pick, next year for losing, say Hunter, it's really like trading him for a 5th round pick.....if you don't lose that comp pick due to your own free agency acquisitions.I know fans like to get excited for those free picks, but teams are better off trading in season, both the teams that are giving up said player ( reasons above), as well as the teams receiving the player as he won't count against them then in terms of compensatory potential, which then could partially recoup them the picks that they surrendered for said player to begin with.
KAM needed to dump Hunter last fall if he wasn't prepared to meet his contract demands. Guess we find out soon.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"dadevike" said:@"Mattyman" said: https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picksVikings aren't gonna receive a pick when he walks.
Why didn't Kwesi trade him last season?
Makes no sense. The Vikings owe Lions a 3rd for Hock
The Vikings and Lions swapped the Vikings' third round pick this year for the Lions' fourth round pick, in addition to the Vikings' second round pick last year for Hockenson.As for Hunter, I believe the Vikings are eligible for draft compensation if he signs elsewhere. Whether they get a pick or not depends on who the Vikings sign. Same for Cousins.
Those picks are a year later, by then you should have addressed the loses that earned you those draft picks. Also being a year later it's essentially a full round lower and with the comp picks being at the end of whatever round they are tendered is essentially already 1 round lower. So even if we were to get a 3rd round comp pick, next year for losing, say Hunter, it's really like trading him for a 5th round pick.....if you don't lose that comp pick due to your own free agency acquisitions.I know fans like to get excited for those free picks, but teams are better off trading in season, both the teams that are giving up said player ( reasons above), as well as the teams receiving the player as he won't count against them then in terms of compensatory potential, which then could partially recoup them the picks that they surrendered for said player to begin with.
KAM needed to dump Hunter last fall if he wasn't prepared to meet his contract demands. Guess we find out soon.
I have to agree. The organization has mostly been run the way a sentimental fan would run it rather than as a strategic, long term goal-oriented business. It never trades an older asset when there is still value, it waits until the value is gone then releases them. I don't know if that has really changed under KAM. Or maybe he was pushed to retain Hunter against his better judgement? If they couldn't get Hunter on the deal they wanted last year then why would they think that now, when he can go and actually test the market, would they be in a better position to make something happen than they were a year ago?Given his history of being upset over his contract, it doesn't seem like just saying "Well we'll keep him around for all of 2023 because he might get a few sacks, etc." made much sense. Again, the only thing they do is use up every asset to try to "win now" (which they don't really succeed at anyway with one very poor playoff appearance in the last 4 years) before having to discard them for little/no return.
https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/where-do-things-stand-danielle-hunter-vikings-free-agencySomewhat overshadowed by the high-profile Kirk Cousins situation,
Danielle Hunter is one of the top free agents on the market this year in
his own right (ESPN's Matt Bowen
recently ranked him as the No. 4 free agent in the league, two spots
behind Cousins). Whether or not he returns to Minnesota is a major
domino in the Vikings' offseason.
So where do things stand with Hunter? The latest report (from ESPN's Dan Graziano)
is that the Vikings have "made an effort" to re-sign him. But it won't
be easy. With Josh Allen and Brian Burns both getting the franchise tag
this week, Hunter is clearly the top edge rusher on the market this
spring. That means there could be significant competition for his
services.
safe to say teams are expecting Hunter to be in — or at least searching
for — a pretty massive price range, something well north of $20 million
per year," wrote ESPN's Jeremy Fowler.
The
Vikings' primary focus to this point has reportedly — and
understandably — been Cousins' status. If he ends up leaving and signing
with the Falcons, which looks like a real possibility,
the Vikings would theoretically have more cap room over the next few
years to allocate to a player like Hunter (even with Cousins carrying a
$28.5 million dead cap hit this season). But even then, GM Kwesi
Adofo-Mensah may not want to outbid all other suitors for an edge rusher
who turns 30 in October.
five-year, $72 million extension Hunter signed way back in 2018 turned
out to be extremely team-friendly for the Vikings, which led to contract
drama and restructures in each of the last three offseasons. Given that
he's coming off a career-high 16.5 sacks and his fourth Pro Bowl nod,
Hunter is undoubtedly going to squeeze all that he can out of his first
trip to free agency. If there's a team willing to pay him $25 million a
year, I'm not sure the Vikings are going to match that.
obviously had these conversations for the last couple of years,"
Adofo-Mensah said at the NFL combine last week. "He had a great season,
and I don't know that anybody in Minnesota was surprised by that.
Danielle walks out of bed and is going to sack the quarterback,
pressure, impact the game. That's who he is. We'll have fruitful
dialogue like we always do. It's not just about this season, it's the
next season and all these things. You always gotta remember, the players
have their needs from their standpoint. And I always respect that. So
we'll go to the table and we'll see if we can talk about a way to find a
deal to meet in the middle."
Vikings will attempt to see if they can bring back Hunter, and for good
reason. If he leaves, they'll be in dire need of help at the outside
linebacker position. But when thinking about what Hunter's market might
look like, it might be more likely than not that he ends up signing
elsewhere this month.
I would not have believed we would kick Kirko and Hunter the curb this off season. I figured at a minimum one would re-sign.
@"AGRforever" said: I would not have believed we would kick Kirko and Hunter the curb this off season. I figured at a minimum one would re-sign.Maybe I'm being foolish, but I think both DH and KC stay with the Vikes. B)
@"HappyViking" said:@"AGRforever" said: I would not have believed we would kick Kirko and Hunter the curb this off season. I figured at a minimum one would re-sign. Maybe I'm being foolish, but I think both DH and KC stay with the Vikes. B)Don't you think it would have happened by now? We're kinda getting down to the wire.
@"AGRforever" said:@"HappyViking" said:@"AGRforever" said: I would not have believed we would kick Kirko and Hunter the curb this off season. I figured at a minimum one would re-sign. Maybe I'm being foolish, but I think both DH and KC stay with the Vikes. B)Don't you think it would have happened by now? We're kinda getting down to the wire.
Not necessarily. I think they'll want it done before FA "officially" starts, and I agree it's getting close. I'm hopeful the conversations are happening, and both get signed before competing offers come in. I do think Danielle and Kirk want to stay with the Vikes.
@"HappyViking" said:Well that puts us on the same page, sort of. I think we lose both, however I am seldom if ever right on what the Vikings actually end up doing… ;) B)@"AGRforever" said: I would not have believed we would kick Kirko and Hunter the curb this off season. I figured at a minimum one would re-sign. Maybe I'm being foolish, but I think both DH and KC stay with the Vikes. B)
@"Kentis" said:I turned 60 last January. You'd think at my age I should know better than to believe in my silly Viking optimism. Oh well, I guess old habits die hard. B)@"HappyViking" said:Well that puts us on the same page, sort of. I think we lose both, however I am seldom if ever right on what the Vikings actually end up doing… ;) B)@"AGRforever" said: I would not have believed we would kick Kirko and Hunter the curb this off season. I figured at a minimum one would re-sign. Maybe I'm being foolish, but I think both DH and KC stay with the Vikes. B)I just find it hard to believe Kwesi and O'Connell would be Ok losing two of their best veteran players this off season without having any reasonable succession plan for either.
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