Mattison released...
Was informed by the team today he will be cut. Not unexpected. I never understood the hype on him being an every day starter and that he would simply step in and match Cook's production.
Anyways, we need to add a RB or two this offseason
Kudos to the front office for moving forward and correcting mistakes. They took a shot and it didn't work, time to move on
@"Vikergirl" said: Kudos to the front office for moving forward and correcting mistakes. They took a shot and it didn't work, time to move onYou don't get kudos for correcting mistakes after the fact. They'd deserve kudos if they'd just stop making mistakes in the first place.
Fingers crossed for the offseason...
Silly signing last year but like VG said, glad they corrected the mistake. Best of luck to him.
Time to find out which of the FA RBs will be most affordable.
@"pattersaur" said: Silly signing last year but like VG said, glad they corrected the mistake. Best of luck to him.Time to find out which of the FA RBs will be most affordable.
I'd almost prefer to roll with Chandler, hope he can stay healthy, and draft a RB or two. McBride looked like he was running in mud last preseason and I don't see him as real option.
@"supafreak84" said:@"Vikergirl" said: Kudos to the front office for moving forward and correcting mistakes. They took a shot and it didn't work, time to move on You don't get kudos for correcting mistakes after the fact. They'd deserve kudos if they'd just stop making mistakes in the first place.Fingers crossed for the offseason...
You do when it is not a lingering thing. In the past, there had been a record of hanging on to players too long or the square peg round hole. Sometimes loyalty was taken to extremes. If there is an issue, own it learn from it and move on. Sometimes you have to try in order to learn. No staff makes every right move. There are hits and there are misses. It's a process, trial and error.
@"Vikergirl" said:@"supafreak84" said:@"Vikergirl" said: Kudos to the front office for moving forward and correcting mistakes. They took a shot and it didn't work, time to move on You don't get kudos for correcting mistakes after the fact. They'd deserve kudos if they'd just stop making mistakes in the first place.Fingers crossed for the offseason...
You do when it is not a lingering thing. In the past, there had been a record of hanging on to players too long or the square peg round hole. Sometimes loyalty was taken to extremes. If there is an issue, own it learn from it and move on. Sometimes you have to try in order to learn. No staff makes every right move. There are hits and there are misses. It's a process, trial and error.
I agree to an extent, but he was in our building for four years prior...you'd think we'd have known what we had beforehand, so to me that makes the bad signing and evaluation of the player and the position even worse. There's been more misses than hits with this front office and this is a "prove it" offseason for them
So next year whoever our RB is won't need GPS to find a hole. Good.
Chandler showed what you want to see in a starting RB. It’s just the injury you worry about. I too was unimpressed with McBride. He looked like he was pulling a plow at times.
There may be an option on the roster or one of our free agents, but there will be many options in both the draft and free agency. I don’t see any trouble solving that problem.
180 rushing attempts and 0 TD's.
ouch.
@"Vikergirl" said: Kudos to the front office for moving forward and correcting mistakes. They took a shot and it didn't work, time to move onIt clearly wasn't a mistake to move on from Dalvin. If there was a mistake it was giving Mattison RB1. I really think it should've been a committee with Chandler from day one.
Vikings are definitely adding a RB in free agency or the draft.
Two seasons ago I though Mattison looked both faster and stronger than ever. I was surprised he didn't look anywhere near as explosive last season for some reason. I think he earned his shot at RB #1, and it's too bad for all parties involved it didn't work out.
@"HappyViking" said: Two seasons ago I though Mattison looked both faster and stronger than ever. I was surprised he didn't look anywhere near as explosive last season for some reason. I think he earned his shot at RB #1, and it's too bad for all parties involved it didn't work out.
Agreed. I get why they resigned him.
@"StickyBun" said:@"HappyViking" said: Two seasons ago I though Mattison looked both faster and stronger than ever. I was surprised he didn't look anywhere near as explosive last season for some reason. I think he earned his shot at RB #1, and it's too bad for all parties involved it didn't work out.
Agreed. I get why they resigned him.
I did as well at the time. They stuck with him @ RB1 too long is the issue.Cut bait and move on...
@"Mattyman" said: 180 rushing attempts and 0 TD's. ouch.
As a team 393 attempts and 7 TD's. And realistically to say seven is generous as 3 of those comes from Dobbs and off the top of my head 2 of his 3 were not designed runs but him scrambling for a score after pass protection broke down. Safe to say the team as a whole was garbage running. The question is, were they garbage because of the talent or was the talent made to look like garbage because KOC didnt ever commit to the run and guys didn't get into a rhythm. They were 28th in rushing attempts last season.
Chandler can be RB 1 if he can learn to read and pick up the blitz better. I would like to see them bring in a powerful, short yardage back to pair with him. This is something Kwesi should be able to find with his value picking tendency!
@"StickyBun" said:@"HappyViking" said: Two seasons ago I though Mattison looked both faster and stronger than ever. I was surprised he didn't look anywhere near as explosive last season for some reason. I think he earned his shot at RB #1, and it's too bad for all parties involved it didn't work out.
Agreed. I get why they resigned him.
The problem was they got stuck and "had" to sign him. I believe they wanted David Montgomery and when DM signed with the Lions, they were "stuck" with Mattison. That was the bigger problem. Sticking with him too long hoping he would figure it out was also a problem; should have gone with Chandler sooner. But also, the running game does seem to be secondary for KOC.
it wont matter who is the RB until they fix the IOL, simply no excuse for how pathetic our OGs and C have been for the last..... decade+? When was the last time they other team knew we were going to run the ball, and we actually thought we were going to win that play consistently by running the ball? we've had streaks, usually late in the game or when the other team is playing more prevent, but its been a long damn time since the Vikings consistently exerted their offensive will through the running game. The best clock control we have had in the last 10 years is the short passing game.
I’m with Happy. I
totally get why he was resigned, he just lost his burst for whatever
reason. Chandler shouldn’t be the lead
back until he can prove he can block. As
long as he sucks at blocking, you need to be looking for a guy who is effective
at running and blocking.
That said, our ground game has more problems than just which
person is the running back. I don’t
think there’s ever been much commitment from KOC towards running the ball. At the very least, we’re not seeing it in
game. What do we have like 12 passing game
coaches now and the only specialist running coach is the OLine coach’s side
gig? Would it be safe to say that this lack
of commitment extends into us not preparing to run the ball when we draw up the
schemes, gameplans, practices?
At some point, we need to become multiple. While passing is probably the bread and
butter of any offense going forward, we need to be able to run the ball when we
want. Is it the 4 minute offense and we
need to burn the clock? Are key players
in the passing game hurt or is Cousins having a bad Kirk day? Is the defense just keying in on what we’re
doing and shutting it down? Sometimes
you need to be able to run the ball.
While I don’t disagree that our interior OLine needs to get
better, I believe that it can’t come at the expense of fixing the talent on the
defensive side of the ball. We can
probably afford to spend 1 pick on offense in the first 4 rounds. The rest need to go to defense, and there’s a
very real chance that 1 pick is a QB, as it should be.
@"medaille" said: I’m with Happy. I totally get why he was resigned, he just lost his burst for whatever reason. Chandler shouldn’t be the lead back until he can prove he can block. As long as he sucks at blocking, you need to be looking for a guy who is effective at running and blocking.That said, our ground game has more problems than just which
person is the running back. I don’t
think there’s ever been much commitment from KOC towards running the ball. At the very least, we’re not seeing it in
game. What do we have like 12 passing game
coaches now and the only specialist running coach is the OLine coach’s side
gig? Would it be safe to say that this lack
of commitment extends into us not preparing to run the ball when we draw up the
schemes, gameplans, practices?At some point, we need to become multiple. While passing is probably the bread and
butter of any offense going forward, we need to be able to run the ball when we
want. Is it the 4 minute offense and we
need to burn the clock? Are key players
in the passing game hurt or is Cousins having a bad Kirk day? Is the defense just keying in on what we’re
doing and shutting it down? Sometimes
you need to be able to run the ball.While I don’t disagree that our interior OLine needs to get
better, I believe that it can’t come at the expense of fixing the talent on the
defensive side of the ball. We can
probably afford to spend 1 pick on offense in the first 4 rounds. The rest need to go to defense, and there’s a
very real chance that 1 pick is a QB, as it should be.
how many times in the last decade does our O have the ball, just needs to run the clock down, and they go 3 and out, or at least dont burn shit off the clock because the other team knows we cant run the ball, they over play the safe short passsing game, and we are once again turning the ball over on downs without taking time off the clock or forcing the to burn all their time outs? the focus definitely needs to be on the why, not the who, I agree its the lack of attention paid to that side of the offense that is more the issue.
I also still maintain that if we fix the IOL, it keeps Kirk cleaner and healthier for a longer run in the playoffs.
I like KO and KAM. And I like all of you. But I never ever bought into the idea that Mattison was an RB1. His stats when Cook was hurt were fine against terrible defenses but he had very little burst, worse vision, and not a dynamic pass catcher.
ANYWHO… this isn’t to throw dirt on the guy. It’s to say— I’m not sure I trust our current FO to draft an RB (with what picks?). Drafting a running back will be much cheaper but we’re high on holes, low on picks, and suspect at evaluating talent at this position.
Seems most prudent to pay a vet FA who we know can play and that we won’t have to worry about (outside injury) in this case. Chandler would be an awesome 40% guy.
Edit Post (mod action — author will see a notice)
Warn Poster
Suspend User (3 days)
The user will be suspended for 3 days and will receive an email with the reason and information about how to appeal.