I'm all in on JJ McCarthy

@"PurpleCrush" said: Ideally, you draft him at #11 and let him sit behind Kirk for a year or two. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that Kirk may not stay if your first draft pick is going to be his eventual replacement, and the team may be inclined to trade up for one of the top 3 guys.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: His stock is soaring right now with all the players, agents and execs in Vegas. But so much of his eval is projection. What "might" he have done in a passing offense? Matt Miller said he spoke to one NFL scout "who said J.J. McCarthy would be Joe Burrow if he were on a team that threw the ball."

I know there's a lot of misinformation right now, probably even a little disinformation. But if JJM nails his combine and interviews, he could sneak into the top three.  

 

If there is a "Top 4" and not a "Top 3" - all the better for us. 

I am honestly concerned about getting our QBOTF at 11.  They could all easily go b4 that. 

I've been guessing as much with the hype around McCarthy and our glaring need.  Somebody is going to look at us ans try and jump ahead,  and the bears would be happy to screw us over by trading out with a team that wants to grab that 4th QB.

Like I've been saying forever,  identify your guy and go get him.  If the top 3 hold,  I am guessing the 4th QB goes between 8 and 10.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: His stock is soaring right now with all the players, agents and execs in Vegas. But so much of his eval is projection. What "might" he have done in a passing offense? Matt Miller said he spoke to one NFL scout "who said J.J. McCarthy would be Joe Burrow if he were on a team that threw the ball."

I know there's a lot of misinformation right now, probably even a little disinformation. But if JJM nails his combine and interviews, he could sneak into the top three.  

 

If there is a "Top 4" and not a "Top 3" - all the better for us. 

I am honestly concerned about getting our QBOTF at 11.  They could all easily go b4 that. 

I've been guessing as much with the hype around McCarthy and our glaring need.  Somebody is going to look at us ans try and jump ahead,  and the bears would be happy to screw us over by trading out with a team that wants to grab that 4th QB.

Like I've been saying forever,  identify your guy and go get him.  If the top 3 hold,  I am guessing the 4th QB goes between 8 and 10.

Agreed...

Maybe it's recency bias, they may have to try and get in top 8 for one of the top 4. 

We'll see, hard to tell with all the lies and subterfuge this time of year. 

We know MHJ will go high, maybe one of the OT's or Edge's. We have to hope - but that aint a plan last I looked. 

As some have mentioned, I'd start to worry about Denver and Denver trading up. I might start talking to TN about their 7th pick for our 2nd rd pick next year.

@"mgobluevikes" said: As some have mentioned, I'd start to worry about Denver and Denver trading up. I might start talking to TN about their 7th pick for our 2nd rd pick next year.

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I don't see a viable move into the top spots without including JJ,  I don't advocate for that unless he is being totally unrealistic in his demands.

I think it can be done with picks, it won’t be cheap but it can be done. I don’t think there’s any way they trade JJ but I think there’s a chance they try to trade up into the top 5, without doing so.

JJM is my guy too. Been saying it. Trade up all the way to 4 if we need to. All of the top 4 would be a boon for this franchise and a fanbase that is solidly in limbo right now. This team needs a direction. Even if it’s ultimately the wrong direction, I don’t like the feeling of being stuck in neutral.

Go get Mccarthy, pay Justin, and let the rest of the chips fall where they may and I will be happy. With the weapons we have and KO’s play design, I think Mccarthy will be more than servicable. Purdy wasn’t a world beater last night by any means but they were a cat’s meow away from winning it all. That could be us. 

@"kmillard" said:

@"FLVike" said: If Jim Harbaugh is also "All-In' on JJ, would you trade 11 for Herbert straight up?

Yes in a second!! =)

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"FLVike" said: If Jim Harbaugh is also "All-In' on JJ, would you trade 11 for Herbert straight up?

Yes in a second!! =)

Why? You ready to pay his $52M contract, which is $17M more than we were paying Kirk last season? All for a QB with a losing record and zero playoff wins? 

@"kmillard" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"FLVike" said: If Jim Harbaugh is also "All-In' on JJ, would you trade 11 for Herbert straight up?

Yes in a second!! =)

Why? You ready to pay his $52M contract, which is $17M more than we were paying Kirk last season? All for a QB with a losing record and zero playoff wins? 

He's already shown he can play and is 25. Has all the skillset you could want in a young QB. I look forward to seeing him go deep in the playoffs with Harbaugh very soon. As for the contract the cap is a myth right?

@"Bullazin" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: As some have mentioned, I'd start to worry about Denver and Denver trading up. I might start talking to TN about their 7th pick for our 2nd rd pick next year.

Raiders also. Atlanta is taking a QB so I agree, 7 is the right spot.  But we are not getting it for next years 2. maybe 108 and 129 or our 2nd this year

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: As some have mentioned, I'd start to worry about Denver and Denver trading up. I might start talking to TN about their 7th pick for our 2nd rd pick next year.

Raiders also. Atlanta is taking a QB so I agree, 7 is the right spot.  But we are not getting it for next years 2. maybe 108 and 129 or our 2nd this year

We can't trade away this year's 2nd when we already don't have this year's 3rd.  We have some big holes to fill besides QBOTF.

@"kmillard" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"FLVike" said: If Jim Harbaugh is also "All-In' on JJ, would you trade 11 for Herbert straight up?

Yes in a second!! =)

Why? You ready to pay his $52M contract, which is $17M more than we were paying Kirk last season? All for a QB with a losing record and zero playoff wins? 

He's already shown he can play and is 25. Has all the skillset you could want in a young QB. I look forward to seeing him go deep in the playoffs with Harbaugh very soon. As for the contract the cap is a myth right?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: As some have mentioned, I'd start to worry about Denver and Denver trading up. I might start talking to TN about their 7th pick for our 2nd rd pick next year.

Raiders also. Atlanta is taking a QB so I agree, 7 is the right spot.  But we are not getting it for next years 2. maybe 108 and 129 or our 2nd this year

We can't trade away this year's 2nd when we already don't have this year's 3rd.  We have some big holes to fill besides QBOTF.

depending on what they do at QB and the other pending contracts ( Hunter, JJ etc ),  its sounds like we can fill a lot of holes through FA and back fill the contracts with 25 and 26 cap money,  just have to hope its for the right players,  and then the draft falls in a way that allows us to use what picks we have remaining to grab quality players at positions of need.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: As some have mentioned, I'd start to worry about Denver and Denver trading up. I might start talking to TN about their 7th pick for our 2nd rd pick next year.

Raiders also. Atlanta is taking a QB so I agree, 7 is the right spot.  But we are not getting it for next years 2. maybe 108 and 129 or our 2nd this year

We can't trade away this year's 2nd when we already don't have this year's 3rd.  We have some big holes to fill besides QBOTF.

depending on what they do at QB and the other pending contracts ( Hunter, JJ etc ),  its sounds like we can fill a lot of holes through FA and back fill the contracts with 25 and 26 cap money,  just have to hope its for the right players,  and then the draft falls in a way that allows us to use what picks we have remaining to grab quality players at positions of need.

There's just a pretty hard rule that you build successful franchises through the draft. You can supplement a couple FA a year, but if you're counting on building your entire team on free agency, that says the organization has some deep problems, and it isn't sustainable in any way. This isn't baseball, and we aren't the Dodgers/Yankees...

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: As some have mentioned, I'd start to worry about Denver and Denver trading up. I might start talking to TN about their 7th pick for our 2nd rd pick next year.

Raiders also. Atlanta is taking a QB so I agree, 7 is the right spot.  But we are not getting it for next years 2. maybe 108 and 129 or our 2nd this year

We can't trade away this year's 2nd when we already don't have this year's 3rd.  We have some big holes to fill besides QBOTF.

depending on what they do at QB and the other pending contracts ( Hunter, JJ etc ),  its sounds like we can fill a lot of holes through FA and back fill the contracts with 25 and 26 cap money,  just have to hope its for the right players,  and then the draft falls in a way that allows us to use what picks we have remaining to grab quality players at positions of need.

There's just a pretty hard rule that you build successful franchises through the draft. You can supplement a couple FA a year, but if you're counting on building your entire team on free agency, that says the organization has some deep problems, and it isn't sustainable in any way. This isn't baseball, and we aren't the Dodgers/Yankees...

Oh,  I know that,  but we screwed that rule when we keep trading away draft picks for players that may, or more often than not, may not pan out.  But honestly salary cap is salary cap,  if you find a handfull of guys that in FA that fill areas of need,  and you have the cap space, what difference does it make if you sign them,  or if you drafted them 4 years ago?  They are still guys you want on your team,  and its going to cost you a small fortune to make it happen.  The key is going forward to get better with your draft picks so you dont have to trade them for somebody elses future cap issues,  and so you can reload your roster with cheaper talent.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: As some have mentioned, I'd start to worry about Denver and Denver trading up. I might start talking to TN about their 7th pick for our 2nd rd pick next year.

Raiders also. Atlanta is taking a QB so I agree, 7 is the right spot.  But we are not getting it for next years 2. maybe 108 and 129 or our 2nd this year

We can't trade away this year's 2nd when we already don't have this year's 3rd.  We have some big holes to fill besides QBOTF.

depending on what they do at QB and the other pending contracts ( Hunter, JJ etc ),  its sounds like we can fill a lot of holes through FA and back fill the contracts with 25 and 26 cap money,  just have to hope its for the right players,  and then the draft falls in a way that allows us to use what picks we have remaining to grab quality players at positions of need.

There's just a pretty hard rule that you build successful franchises through the draft. You can supplement a couple FA a year, but if you're counting on building your entire team on free agency, that says the organization has some deep problems, and it isn't sustainable in any way. This isn't baseball, and we aren't the Dodgers/Yankees...

Oh,  I know that,  but we screwed that rule when we keep trading away draft picks for players that may, or more often than not, may not pan out.  But honestly salary cap is salary cap,  if you find a handfull of guys that in FA that fill areas of need,  and you have the cap space, what difference does it make if you sign them,  or if you drafted them 4 years ago?  They are still guys you want on your team,  and its going to cost you a small fortune to make it happen.  The key is going forward to get better with your draft picks so you dont have to trade them for somebody elses future cap issues,  and so you can reload your roster with cheaper talent.

Well signing somebody else's picks that proved to be worth a good second contract  just means you lost out on that 4 to 5 years of cheap (er) labor, because whoever you drafted sucked. This scouting, coaching, and GMing has to get a lot better in identifying, developing, and making deals for better players across the board, not just WR's, and the occasional DE, OT.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"FLVike" said: If Jim Harbaugh is also "All-In' on JJ, would you trade 11 for Herbert straight up?

Yes in a second!! =)

Why? You ready to pay his $52M contract, which is $17M more than we were paying Kirk last season? All for a QB with a losing record and zero playoff wins? 

He's already shown he can play and is 25. Has all the skillset you could want in a young QB. I look forward to seeing him go deep in the playoffs with Harbaugh very soon. As for the contract the cap is a myth right?

OK, cool. Happy to hear we can just drop the whole "wins are a QB stat" thing. 

I think our chances of getting JJM are pretty good as of now. Here’s my current QB rankings (still watching film):

1. Jayden Daniels
2. Bo Nix
3. JJM
4. Drake Maye
5. Penix
6. Caleb Williams

I’m still thinking it through, but I’m evaluating on which players I think have the best chance of making it long term and have success in the league. I tend to favor guys who have that mobility factor to go with the arm. That’s just what I look for. Penix has an elite arm but limited mobility, as an example. Maye could end up being the best, but i see him as a bigger risk than JJM. 

Back to the main topic, I love JJM. He’s far along for a young guy. If Herbert didn’t have a $170,000,000 dead cap I wouldn’t be surprised if he went to the Chargers! 

As of now, I think 4 QB’s could go before us and I’d be thrilled if it’s JJM who’s available. I’d prefer him over Williams.

Williams’s tape is not good if you view it from a NFL standpoint. He has so much work to do and I’m not convinced at this point he’ll do it. 

Overall, I'm a big fan of JJ. He carries a high R2 grade for me & I'm comfortable taking him in the 1st if necessary. He profiles similar to an athletic Kirk Cousins/Matt Ryan to me. A smart player who executes in & out of structure, but may not be an elite playmaker like a Lamar pic.twitter.com/6xqKdUzuEY

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