Trading from 12 to 3 etc...
Look at what the Texans gave-up last year for the #3 spot to move from #12. Should be similar to go from 11-2.
you up for that for a qb? The precedence is set and its just a year ago.
Houston traded the No. 12 and 33 pick and its 2024 first- and third-rounder to the Cardinals.
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
Drafting Nix sit him for one year and rent a vet QB for 1- 2 years sounds good to me.
@"Still Hurtn" said: Drafting Nix sit him for one year and rent a vet QB for 1- 2 years sounds good to me.“Rent a vet” is a TERRIBLE move and basically announces “we’re absolutely not competing for as long as this turd starts”.
@"CFIAvike" said:We are not competing if we bring Cousin's back at $90 Million for 2 years guaranteed either, plus his $28.5 dead cap on top of that. Too many holes. You won't be able to resign Hunter with Cousins tying up that much Cap Space and still get an extension done for JJ and Darrisaw. How will you replace the loss of Hunter on a DLine that desperately needs another starting Edge to pair with him, and also needs some serious help on the interior of the Defensive line? If you bring Cousins back, you have to replace Bradbury. He was weak and undersized coming out of NC State with zero ability to anchor. Now he has a chronic bad back and a coach who doesn't want to run the ball anyways to take advantage of his blocking in space. You can take Latu, Turner, or Verse at 11, which would be all big impact players for our Pass Rush, but what's the point if you can't fix the other holes?@"Still Hurtn" said: Drafting Nix sit him for one year and rent a vet QB for 1- 2 years sounds good to me. “Rent a vet” is a TERRIBLE move and basically announces “we’re absolutely not competing for as long as this turd starts”.I would have no problem bringing Kirk back for 2 years if we were actually close to contending, but if you think we are just a player or two away that can be fixed in this offseason you are as delusional as the Wilfs.
@"TBro" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"Still Hurtn" said: Drafting Nix sit him for one year and rent a vet QB for 1- 2 years sounds good to me. “Rent a vet” is a TERRIBLE move and basically announces “we’re absolutely not competing for as long as this turd starts”.I would have no problem bringing Kirk back for 2 years if we were actually close to contending, but if you think we are just a player or two away that can be fixed in this offseason you are as delusional as the Wilfs.
Again I ask the question:Who are the real Vikings?
The 13/4 team from just a year ago?
Or
The 7 win team that lost its star QB and All world WR most of the season? And about 1/3 of of the rest of the roster to injuries?All I am saying is that it is not unreasonable that with a healthy KC and JJ (and Addison and Flores) to be competitive for the division title in 24.
GB and Detroit don't scare me in the least.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"TBro" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"Still Hurtn" said: Drafting Nix sit him for one year and rent a vet QB for 1- 2 years sounds good to me. “Rent a vet” is a TERRIBLE move and basically announces “we’re absolutely not competing for as long as this turd starts”.I would have no problem bringing Kirk back for 2 years if we were actually close to contending, but if you think we are just a player or two away that can be fixed in this offseason you are as delusional as the Wilfs.
Again I ask the question:Who are the real Vikings?
The 13/4 team from just a year ago?
Or
The 7 win team that lost its star QB and All world WR most of the season? And about 1/3 of of the rest of the roster to injuries?All I am saying is that it is not unreasonable that with a healthy KC and JJ (and Addison and Flores) to be competitive for the division title in 24.
GB and Detroit don't scare me in the least.
I think you answered your own question. The Vikings don't have any depth to overcome injuries to their key players. Flores did a great job with improving the D, but you can only outscheme your opponent for so long before they figure you out. Add in all the injuries on both sides of the ball and this team showed everyone just how far away we are from contending. With all the pending free agents, no money to spend to fill those holes, and a GM with a questionable track record of drafting and roster building, this looks like a .500 team to me at best.
@"TBro" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"TBro" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"Still Hurtn" said: Drafting Nix sit him for one year and rent a vet QB for 1- 2 years sounds good to me. “Rent a vet” is a TERRIBLE move and basically announces “we’re absolutely not competing for as long as this turd starts”.I would have no problem bringing Kirk back for 2 years if we were actually close to contending, but if you think we are just a player or two away that can be fixed in this offseason you are as delusional as the Wilfs.
Again I ask the question:Who are the real Vikings?
The 13/4 team from just a year ago?
Or
The 7 win team that lost its star QB and All world WR most of the season? And about 1/3 of of the rest of the roster to injuries?All I am saying is that it is not unreasonable that with a healthy KC and JJ (and Addison and Flores) to be competitive for the division title in 24.
GB and Detroit don't scare me in the least.
I think you answered your own question. The Vikings don't have any depth to overcome injuries to their key players. Flores did a great job with improving the D, but you can only outscheme your opponent for so long before they figure you out. Add in all the injuries on both sides of the ball and this team showed everyone just how far away we are from contending. With all the pending free agents, no money to spend to fill those holes, and a GM with a questionable track record of drafting and roster building, this looks like a .500 team to me at best.
Maybe...But you tell me what teams are going to move forward without their starting QB and make a big run?
Baltimore? Buffalo? KC? Lions? SF? Bengals????And for me? This is a make/break year for Kwesi...
@"TBro" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"TBro" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"Still Hurtn" said: Drafting Nix sit him for one year and rent a vet QB for 1- 2 years sounds good to me. “Rent a vet” is a TERRIBLE move and basically announces “we’re absolutely not competing for as long as this turd starts”.I would have no problem bringing Kirk back for 2 years if we were actually close to contending, but if you think we are just a player or two away that can be fixed in this offseason you are as delusional as the Wilfs.
Again I ask the question:Who are the real Vikings?
The 13/4 team from just a year ago?
Or
The 7 win team that lost its star QB and All world WR most of the season? And about 1/3 of of the rest of the roster to injuries?All I am saying is that it is not unreasonable that with a healthy KC and JJ (and Addison and Flores) to be competitive for the division title in 24.
GB and Detroit don't scare me in the least.
I think you answered your own question. The Vikings don't have any depth to overcome injuries to their key players. Flores did a great job with improving the D, but you can only outscheme your opponent for so long before they figure you out. Add in all the injuries on both sides of the ball and this team showed everyone just how far away we are from contending. With all the pending free agents, no money to spend to fill those holes, and a GM with a questionable track record of drafting and roster building, this looks like a .500 team to me at best.
Well 2 years ago we were considered the "luckiest" team in NFL history with all the close score wins despite a horrible defense that showed with a first round exit to the second worst playoff team Giants.Last year we were unlucky (not in NFL history) no doubt.
I am not a fan of paying top money and trotting out a 36 yr old QB coming of Achilles tear to recapture luck from 2 years ago. It just seems to me that everyone on here assumes Kirk comes back 100% and I do not think it is likely.
@"minny65" said:@"TBro" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"TBro" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"Still Hurtn" said: Drafting Nix sit him for one year and rent a vet QB for 1- 2 years sounds good to me. “Rent a vet” is a TERRIBLE move and basically announces “we’re absolutely not competing for as long as this turd starts”.I would have no problem bringing Kirk back for 2 years if we were actually close to contending, but if you think we are just a player or two away that can be fixed in this offseason you are as delusional as the Wilfs.
Again I ask the question:Who are the real Vikings?
The 13/4 team from just a year ago?
Or
The 7 win team that lost its star QB and All world WR most of the season? And about 1/3 of of the rest of the roster to injuries?All I am saying is that it is not unreasonable that with a healthy KC and JJ (and Addison and Flores) to be competitive for the division title in 24.
GB and Detroit don't scare me in the least.
I think you answered your own question. The Vikings don't have any depth to overcome injuries to their key players. Flores did a great job with improving the D, but you can only outscheme your opponent for so long before they figure you out. Add in all the injuries on both sides of the ball and this team showed everyone just how far away we are from contending. With all the pending free agents, no money to spend to fill those holes, and a GM with a questionable track record of drafting and roster building, this looks like a .500 team to me at best.
Well 2 years ago we were considered the "luckiest" team in NFL history with all the close score wins despite a horrible defense that showed with a first round exit to the second worst playoff team Giants.Last year we were unlucky (not in NFL history) no doubt.
I am not a fan of paying top money and trotting out a 36 yr old QB coming of Achilles tear to recapture luck from 2 years ago. It just seems to me that everyone on here assumes Kirk comes back 100% and I do not think it is likely.
Not to mention the fact that another top paid player, Hockenson will be lucky to play in 24 if his knee surgery keeps getting postponed.
For unbiased watchers, it is easy to see a roster difference on a whole of the Lions, pack, and Vikings. The Vikings have a lot of work to do.
@"kmillard" said:@"minny65" said:@"TBro" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"TBro" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"Still Hurtn" said: Drafting Nix sit him for one year and rent a vet QB for 1- 2 years sounds good to me. “Rent a vet” is a TERRIBLE move and basically announces “we’re absolutely not competing for as long as this turd starts”.I would have no problem bringing Kirk back for 2 years if we were actually close to contending, but if you think we are just a player or two away that can be fixed in this offseason you are as delusional as the Wilfs.
Again I ask the question:Who are the real Vikings?
The 13/4 team from just a year ago?
Or
The 7 win team that lost its star QB and All world WR most of the season? And about 1/3 of of the rest of the roster to injuries?All I am saying is that it is not unreasonable that with a healthy KC and JJ (and Addison and Flores) to be competitive for the division title in 24.
GB and Detroit don't scare me in the least.
I think you answered your own question. The Vikings don't have any depth to overcome injuries to their key players. Flores did a great job with improving the D, but you can only outscheme your opponent for so long before they figure you out. Add in all the injuries on both sides of the ball and this team showed everyone just how far away we are from contending. With all the pending free agents, no money to spend to fill those holes, and a GM with a questionable track record of drafting and roster building, this looks like a .500 team to me at best.
Well 2 years ago we were considered the "luckiest" team in NFL history with all the close score wins despite a horrible defense that showed with a first round exit to the second worst playoff team Giants.Last year we were unlucky (not in NFL history) no doubt.
I am not a fan of paying top money and trotting out a 36 yr old QB coming of Achilles tear to recapture luck from 2 years ago. It just seems to me that everyone on here assumes Kirk comes back 100% and I do not think it is likely.
Not to mention the fact that another top paid player, Hockenson will be lucky to play in 24 if his knee surgery keeps getting postponed.
For unbiased watchers, it is easy to see a roster difference on a whole of the Lions, pack, and Vikings. The Vikings have a lot of work to do.
And what about the Bears? You think that team is not going to be substantially better next season? You add Caleb Williams and another top 10 pick to that roster, plus their cap space, watch out...Vikings head into the offseason with no answer at quarterback, Hockenson missing probably the first half of next season, talent deficiencies and depth issues across the board, and a questionable GM trying to navigate a "competitive rebuild" saddled by ownership. The only team in the division the needle is not pointing up for is the Vikings, who if they bungle this offseason could be cellar dwellers the next few years.
On Nix, he’s definitely a guy you would hope to give at least a year. He doesn’t have a lot of weaknesses, but like most rookies, he’ll have to learn what he can get away with at the NFL level. I forgot to mention the other thing I like about him is how he is against pressure. I haven’t seen his analytics, but going off the tape, I suspect they are impressive.
Another guy I really like is Drake Maye. Drake reminds me of a Matthew Stafford type of player. A good head on his shoulders, tough, great arm talent, but will make some plays that are almost guaranteed picks at the next level. On these plays he looks like Blake Bortles (with better arm talent however). I suspect a team will have to go through the growing pains with int’s with him, but see many TD’s as well. His 40-50 yard accuracy is just fantastic.
Watching his tape is fascinating. He makes big time NFL throws regularly and will play lights out. Then out of nowhere he’ll struggle with decision making and throw passes you definitely should never throw trying to get out out of trouble. He too could use time, but again, there’s alot to work with.
The guy most concerning to me is Caleb Williams.This surprised me as he’s the consensus number one prospect. In his tape, for all of the amazing things he can do (and they are truly amazing), he makes several poor decisions/throws every game that NFL defenses will absolutely feast on. His ball security is also exceptionally poor and he will pay a steep price at the next level unless he fixes that.
Lastly on Williams, his maturity is a huge concern ala Johnny Manziel. Having the audacity to want ownership in an NFL team is absolutley mind numbingly ridiculous.
@"Havoc1649" said: On Nix, he’s definitely a guy you would hope to give at least a year. He doesn’t have a lot of weaknesses, but like most rookies, he’ll have to learn what he can get away with at the NFL level. I forgot to mention the other thing I like about him is how he is against pressure. I haven’t seen his analytics, but going off the tape, I suspect they are impressive.Another guy I really like is Drake Maye. Drake reminds me of a Matthew Stafford type of player. A good head on his shoulders, tough, great arm talent, but will make some plays that are almost guaranteed picks at the next level. On these plays he looks like Blake Bortles (with better arm talent however). I suspect a team will have to go through the growing pains with int’s with him, but see many TD’s as well. His 40-50 yard accuracy is just fantastic.
Watching his tape is fascinating. He makes big time NFL throws regularly and will play lights out. Then out of nowhere he’ll struggle with decision making and throw passes you definitely should never throw trying to get out out of trouble. He too could use time, but again, there’s alot to work with.
The guy most concerning to me is Caleb Williams.This surprised me as he’s the consensus number one prospect. In his tape, for all of the amazing things he can do (and they are truly amazing), he makes several poor decisions/throws every game that NFL defenses will absolutely feast on. His ball security is also exceptionally poor and he will pay a steep price at the next level unless he fixes that.
Lastly on Williams, his maturity is a huge concern ala Johnny Manziel. Having the audacity to want ownership in an NFL team is absolutley mind numbingly ridiculous.
When I first watched Williams I wanted to not like him. It didn't work. He's a magician.
Every one of these guys has flaws and Williams is no different. One is the baggage you refer to. Another is that he's going to change the offense of the team he goes to. If that team tries to turn him into a pocket passer, he could fail. But I think if there's a Patrick Mahomes in this draft it's Williams.
I'm not sure how anyone can watch Caleb Williams video and not see a supreme talent, the best in this year's class. Drake Maye would worry the shit out of me, I just continue to not be sold on this kid.
@"Havoc1649" said: On Nix, he’s definitely a guy you would hope to give at least a year. He doesn’t have a lot of weaknesses, but like most rookies, he’ll have to learn what he can get away with at the NFL level. I forgot to mention the other thing I like about him is how he is against pressure. I haven’t seen his analytics, but going off the tape, I suspect they are impressive.Another guy I really like is Drake Maye. Drake reminds me of a Matthew Stafford type of player. A good head on his shoulders, tough, great arm talent, but will make some plays that are almost guaranteed picks at the next level. On these plays he looks like Blake Bortles (with better arm talent however). I suspect a team will have to go through the growing pains with int’s with him, but see many TD’s as well. His 40-50 yard accuracy is just fantastic.
Watching his tape is fascinating. He makes big time NFL throws regularly and will play lights out. Then out of nowhere he’ll struggle with decision making and throw passes you definitely should never throw trying to get out out of trouble. He too could use time, but again, there’s alot to work with.
The guy most concerning to me is Caleb Williams.This surprised me as he’s the consensus number one prospect. In his tape, for all of the amazing things he can do (and they are truly amazing), he makes several poor decisions/throws every game that NFL defenses will absolutely feast on. His ball security is also exceptionally poor and he will pay a steep price at the next level unless he fixes that.
Lastly on Williams, his maturity is a huge concern ala Johnny Manziel. Having the audacity to want ownership in an NFL team is absolutley mind numbingly ridiculous.
I totally agree on Williams. If I had the first pick it would not be him.
This would be an awesome thread to come back to in about 4 years...
@"purplefaithful" said: This would be an awesome thread to come back to in about 4 years...LOL. They all are.
@"FLVike" said:@"Havoc1649" said: On Nix, he’s definitely a guy you would hope to give at least a year. He doesn’t have a lot of weaknesses, but like most rookies, he’ll have to learn what he can get away with at the NFL level. I forgot to mention the other thing I like about him is how he is against pressure. I haven’t seen his analytics, but going off the tape, I suspect they are impressive.Another guy I really like is Drake Maye. Drake reminds me of a Matthew Stafford type of player. A good head on his shoulders, tough, great arm talent, but will make some plays that are almost guaranteed picks at the next level. On these plays he looks like Blake Bortles (with better arm talent however). I suspect a team will have to go through the growing pains with int’s with him, but see many TD’s as well. His 40-50 yard accuracy is just fantastic.
Watching his tape is fascinating. He makes big time NFL throws regularly and will play lights out. Then out of nowhere he’ll struggle with decision making and throw passes you definitely should never throw trying to get out out of trouble. He too could use time, but again, there’s alot to work with.
The guy most concerning to me is Caleb Williams.This surprised me as he’s the consensus number one prospect. In his tape, for all of the amazing things he can do (and they are truly amazing), he makes several poor decisions/throws every game that NFL defenses will absolutely feast on. His ball security is also exceptionally poor and he will pay a steep price at the next level unless he fixes that.
Lastly on Williams, his maturity is a huge concern ala Johnny Manziel. Having the audacity to want ownership in an NFL team is absolutley mind numbingly ridiculous.
I totally agree on Williams. If I had the first pick it would not be him.
I watched Williams 2 or 3 times this year, never felt like i was watching a heisman candidate or a future #1 draft pick, he was good but not great, but I only watched him 2 or 3 times, he did win the heisman and he is likely #1 so there must be more to him than I saw against Notre Dame and Washington. strikes me as a kid that really wants to win bad, and tries to hard to make it happen at times and as a result makes bad decisions or misses plays as he runs around. but if the brain trust decided he was their target and went after him, I wouldnt be mad unless they got really stupid, especially within the division.
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