NFL insider drops bombshell report on Vikings’ Kirk Cousins

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that. 

The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.

Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025? 

What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?

Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents. 

Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. 

Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5

Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up. I think he’s got bust written all over him. Of the much lower second tier of QBs,  i think he’s the worst of the lot. 

I mean if they go into the year with Penix at QB, they’ll be in a position for a top 2 pick to draft another QB the next year with another wasted top pick under their belts

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said: I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions. Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division. Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?

but it wasnt his fault,  it was the OL,  the OC, the HC, the receivers,  the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again,  there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be.  when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece,  people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him,  he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs,  well its looking like we are still missing a trophy,  hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed,  its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said: I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions. Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division. Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?

but it wasnt his fault,  it was the OL,  the OC, the HC, the receivers,  the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again,  there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be.  when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece,  people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him,  he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs,  well its looking like we are still missing a trophy,  hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed,  its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.

  Kirk has as many SB appearances as Josh Allen & Lamar Jackson.  

 And they've had the OL, D, running game etc. 

 I'm not saying re-sign Kirko at all costs, he's got fit their 2025 plan Geoff outlined earlier. But this "QB wins thing" isn't something I can get behind. 

 IF anything, I point a finger at the org for not putting the surround in place. 

 We'll know soon enough how this game of poker will resolve. Mid-March isnt that far away. 

 

@"Skodin" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said: I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions. Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division. Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?

but it wasnt his fault,  it was the OL,  the OC, the HC, the receivers,  the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again,  there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be.  when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece,  people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him,  he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs,  well its looking like we are still missing a trophy,  hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed,  its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.

  Kirk has as many SB appearances as Josh Allen & Lamar Jackson.  

 And they've had the OL, D, running game etc. 

 I'm not saying re-sign Kirko at all costs, he's got fit their 2025 plan Geoff outlined earlier. But this "QB wins thing" isn't something I can get behind. 

 IF anything, I point a finger at the org for not putting the surround in place. 

 We'll know soon enough how this game of poker will resolve. Mid-March isnt that far away. 

 

Well Kirk isn't playing against Patrick Mahomes to get to the Super Bowl every year.  The QBs in the final four of the NFC, Purdy, Goff, Baker, Love.  Last year it was Purdy, Dan Jones, Dak, and Hurts.  

Also Allen and Jackson on this Vikings team since 2018/2019, fair to say we have more than just one wild card win.

@"Skodin" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that. 

The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.

Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025? 

What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?

Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents. 

Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. 

Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5

Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up. I think he’s got bust written all over him. Of the much lower second tier of QBs,  i think he’s the worst of the lot. 

I mean if they go into the year with Penix at QB, they’ll be in a position for a top 2 pick to draft another QB the next year with another wasted top pick under their belts

Strong arm, great accuracy.  Likely to be around 8-15.  Seems realistic he could be there.  Could do very well with Jefferson and Addison.  Higher ceiling lower flower than Nix and McCarthy, I'm ready for boom or bust, better than mediocrity we have been stuck in forever

I seriously doubt there's a team out there dumb enough to pay Cousins 90-m guaranteed. I would expect to see him as a color commentator like Romo.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that. 

The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.

Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025? 

What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?

Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents. 

Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. 

Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5

Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up. I think he’s got bust written all over him. Of the much lower second tier of QBs,  i think he’s the worst of the lot. 

I mean if they go into the year with Penix at QB, they’ll be in a position for a top 2 pick to draft another QB the next year with another wasted top pick under their belts

Strong arm, great accuracy.  Likely to be around 8-15.  Seems realistic he could be there.  Could do very well with Jefferson and Addison.  Higher ceiling lower flower than Nix and McCarthy, I'm ready for boom or bust, better than mediocrity we have been stuck in forever

 The injury history on Penix scares me - a lot. 

 I'd love to see how the Vikings stacked these kids on their board. 

@"kmillard" said: When did Kirk become this great QB all of a sudden? I must have missed that. 1 playoff win in 6 years. Time to get off the merry go round. If they sign him it will be for three years guaranteed. 

Strange, though, because other players are on the roster...and in footage...hmmm...!

@"Skodin" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that. 

The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.

Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025? 

What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?

Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents. 

Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. 

Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5

Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up. I think he’s got bust written all over him. Of the much lower second tier of QBs,  i think he’s the worst of the lot. 

I mean if they go into the year with Penix at QB, they’ll be in a position for a top 2 pick to draft another QB the next year with another wasted top pick under their belts

Strong arm, great accuracy.  Likely to be around 8-15.  Seems realistic he could be there.  Could do very well with Jefferson and Addison.  Higher ceiling lower flower than Nix and McCarthy, I'm ready for boom or bust, better than mediocrity we have been stuck in forever

@"comet52" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said: I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions. Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division. Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?

but it wasnt his fault,  it was the OL,  the OC, the HC, the receivers,  the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again,  there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be.  when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece,  people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him,  he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs,  well its looking like we are still missing a trophy,  hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed,  its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.

The San Fran model - build a great team around a good but not top tier qb could work... if you actually built a great team around that qb, something the Vikings have never come close to doing in the Kirk era.   

Someone on another forum asked the question - what's a better or easier path to a title--find the next great qb like Mahomes, or building a great team around a good not great qb?   To which I could only say, the Vikings don't appear to be trying either of these.  Honestly, they operate like they don't really have a plan beyond marketing the team and keeping the revenue rolling in.

@"Zanary" said:

@"kmillard" said: When did Kirk become this great QB all of a sudden? I must have missed that. 1 playoff win in 6 years. Time to get off the merry go round. If they sign him it will be for three years guaranteed. 

...because, as we know, he was playing, coaching, and GMing the team alone since 2018, and all wins/losses fall solely on him.

Strange, though, because other players are on the roster...and in footage...hmmm...!

@"kmillard" said:

@"Zanary" said:

@"kmillard" said: When did Kirk become this great QB all of a sudden? I must have missed that. 1 playoff win in 6 years. Time to get off the merry go round. If they sign him it will be for three years guaranteed. 

...because, as we know, he was playing, coaching, and GMing the team alone since 2018, and all wins/losses fall solely on him.

Strange, though, because other players are on the roster...and in footage...hmmm...!

Oh I agree with you, it is not all on him. I am disappointed mostly with lack of roster around him in other key areas when the team started declining in 2018.

@"supafreak84" said: Might be posted already but it's being reported today by the Pioneer Press that Cousins wants 90 million guaranteed on a 2 year deal to sign re-sign in Minnesota. 

Lol hell no! Enjoy Atlanta Kirk...

Define being reported? As in someone legitimate has a source connecting KC or his team to this amount? Or are we talking heavy.com style of reporting where someone read something on the interwebs and beats a small snippet into an "article" using buzz words to get clicks?

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Might be posted already but it's being reported today by the Pioneer Press that Cousins wants 90 million guaranteed on a 2 year deal to sign re-sign in Minnesota. 

Lol hell no! Enjoy Atlanta Kirk...

Define being reported? As in someone legitimate has a source connecting KC or his team to this amount? Or are we talking heavy.com style of reporting where someone read something on the interwebs and beats a small snippet into an "article" using buzz words to get clicks?

@"comet52" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Might be posted already but it's being reported today by the Pioneer Press that Cousins wants 90 million guaranteed on a 2 year deal to sign re-sign in Minnesota. 

Lol hell no! Enjoy Atlanta Kirk...

Define being reported? As in someone legitimate has a source connecting KC or his team to this amount? Or are we talking heavy.com style of reporting where someone read something on the interwebs and beats a small snippet into an "article" using buzz words to get clicks?

It's Charley Walters.  Opinions vary as to how accurate he is at any given moment.

@"bigbone62" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Might be posted already but it's being reported today by the Pioneer Press that Cousins wants 90 million guaranteed on a 2 year deal to sign re-sign in Minnesota. 

Lol hell no! Enjoy Atlanta Kirk...

Define being reported? As in someone legitimate has a source connecting KC or his team to this amount? Or are we talking heavy.com style of reporting where someone read something on the interwebs and beats a small snippet into an "article" using buzz words to get clicks?

It's Charley Walters.  Opinions vary as to how accurate he is at any given moment.

Interesting, just read this article, seems the buzz is coming from one person's opinion on what KC could ask for.

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/vikings/misinformation-about-kirk-cousins-contract-demands-runs-rampant-on-social-media

All this is pure speculation until we can understand what Kirk meant when he said that "structure is more important than dollars".  Does that mean that he wants a 3-year, no trade-clause, guaranteed contract?  How long does he plan on playing?  His kids are growing and his body has gotten beat to hell.  By his own admission, he's been financially blessed far beyond his wildest expectations.  He likes Minnesota to raise a family.  In my mind, a 2 or 3 year extension giving him options to do (fill in the blank), would allow us an opportunity to take a Bo Nix at 11, and at minimum sit Nix on the pine as he learns this offense and the team culture.  If Cousins falters in year 2 or year 3, we've created a more than capable backup.  There is nothing wrong with taking a page out of the Packer's playbook with the Favre to Rodgers to Love 3-year handoff.  

This notion of $45 million for a minimum of 2 years is not based on any reality or demand...he said it...it's the structure, not the dollars and I don't think anyone on this board knows what that means.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Might be posted already but it's being reported today by the Pioneer Press that Cousins wants 90 million guaranteed on a 2 year deal to sign re-sign in Minnesota. 

Lol hell no! Enjoy Atlanta Kirk...

Define being reported? As in someone legitimate has a source connecting KC or his team to this amount? Or are we talking heavy.com style of reporting where someone read something on the interwebs and beats a small snippet into an "article" using buzz words to get clicks?

It's Charley Walters.  Opinions vary as to how accurate he is at any given moment.

Interesting, just read this article, seems the buzz is coming from one person's opinion on what KC could ask for.

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/vikings/misinformation-about-kirk-cousins-contract-demands-runs-rampant-on-social-media

Was just about to post that. It appears there are some smart reporters left. 

@"bigbone62" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Might be posted already but it's being reported today by the Pioneer Press that Cousins wants 90 million guaranteed on a 2 year deal to sign re-sign in Minnesota. 

Lol hell no! Enjoy Atlanta Kirk...

Define being reported? As in someone legitimate has a source connecting KC or his team to this amount? Or are we talking heavy.com style of reporting where someone read something on the interwebs and beats a small snippet into an "article" using buzz words to get clicks?

It's Charley Walters.  Opinions vary as to how accurate he is at any given moment.

Interesting, just read this article, seems the buzz is coming from one person's opinion on what KC could ask for.

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/vikings/misinformation-about-kirk-cousins-contract-demands-runs-rampant-on-social-media

Was just about to post that. It appears there are some smart reporters left. 

Doesn't matter, it will now be the talking point constantly brought up until he signs somewhere. People who are too lazy to look into click bait news before spreading it as gospel have it etched in stone as fact in their minds. 

@"Montana Tom" said: All this is pure speculation until we can understand what Kirk meant when he said that "structure is more important than dollars".  Does that mean that he wants a 3-year, no trade-clause, guaranteed contract?  How long does he plan on playing?  His kids are growing and his body has gotten beat to hell.  By his own admission, he's been financially blessed far beyond his wildest expectations.  He likes Minnesota to raise a family.  In my mind, a 2 or 3 year extension giving him options to do (fill in the blank), would allow us an opportunity to take a Bo Nix at 11, and at minimum sit Nix on the pine as he learns this offense and the team culture.  If Cousins falters in year 2 or year 3, we've created a more than capable backup.  There is nothing wrong with taking a page out of the Packer's playbook with the Favre to Rodgers to Love 3-year handoff.  

This notion of $45 million for a minimum of 2 years is not based on any reality or demand...he said it...it's the structure, not the dollars and I don't think anyone on this board knows what that means.

What the Packers did was the ideal and, based on their attempts to move up last year, I'm convinced Kwesi knows this and would like to follow that model. Maybe not two years like Love got, but at least one, like Mahomes got. And at the end of one year, if the rookie looks good, Cousins is a tradable asset.