8 Teams Remain

@"purplefaithful" said:  Who are the real Vikings???

The team that had 13 wins in spite of a 31st ranked D?
Or the team picking #11 in the draft, that lost their top QB, their top WR and was pretty decimated by injuries above and beyond that the last 1/2 of the season?

I also think they can clear a bunch of cap quickly and easily. 

The rest aint so easy like @ QB. 

or is it the team that started 1-6 with their top QB and top WR in place?  we know this team isnt shit,  but we also know that there are a fair number of holes to fill, as well as new contracts both now and in coming seasons that will make it harder to bring in quality talent down the road in themselves without pushing current player deals into those years. yes they can clear cap,  but those moves dont come in a vacuum,  they will have consequences either in terms of creating more holes,  or by adding dead cap to unplayed years which further handcuffs future moves,  like we are facing right now with about 40 million or so from Hunter and  Cousins previous contracts.

@"mblack" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"Still Hurtn" said:
After 50 years of coming up short I would be ok the Viking pushing some chips to the center of the table to move up for a QB that they had conviction over. Also letting that QB sit for 1 year. Waiting till 11 and holding your nose to pick who is left over seems dumb.. imo

I don't disagree with this but given the amount of draft needs that we have, I'm reluctant to trade away draft picks. Tough decision for sure & I'm glad that I don't have to make it. It's going to be a make or break offseason for KAM.
Personally, If we don't resign Kirko, I don't see us as a playoff contender next season. I'd rather hang onto those [picks.

This is the mindset I think the vikings brass is stuck with. With all the record picks we have had over the years what has that done to the roster?
Isnt it ironic that today we say we have many holes but if you look back the last 6 or so years we pretty much won the draft volume lottery every year.
My point being we need impact players and sometimes less is more. You cant justify missing out on an impct player let alone a good QB because you were worried about missing on volume or a few mediocre players and saved a draft pick.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"Still Hurtn" said:
After 50 years of coming up short I would be ok the Viking pushing some chips to the center of the table to move up for a QB that they had conviction over. Also letting that QB sit for 1 year. Waiting till 11 and holding your nose to pick who is left over seems dumb.. imo

I don't disagree with this but given the amount of draft needs that we have, I'm reluctant to trade away draft picks. Tough decision for sure & I'm glad that I don't have to make it. It's going to be a make or break offseason for KAM.
Personally, If we don't resign Kirko, I don't see us as a playoff contender next season. I'd rather hang onto those [picks.

This is the mindset I think the vikings brass is stuck with. With all the record picks we have had over the years what has that done to the roster?
Isnt it ironic that today we say we have many holes but if you look back the last 6 or so years we pretty much won the draft volume lottery every year.
My point being we need impact players and sometimes less is more. You cant justify missing out on an impct player let alone a good QB because you were worried about missing on volume or a few mediocre players and saved a draft pick.

one thing about it, on the bright side,.... as bad as KAM has done the first 2 years,  its made it a lot easier for his next round of picks to find a home on the very shallow roster!  

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Still Hurtn" said: After 50 years of coming up short I would be ok the Viking pushing some chips to the center of the table to move up for a QB that they had conviction over. Also letting that QB sit for 1 year. Waiting till 11 and holding your nose to pick who is left over seems dumb.. imo

Who's going to trade them a top 3? 

Chicago, Commanders or Patriots?

 My point being, it doesnt matter if they have conviction, you gotta have a willing partner and I dont see it. 

  Any QB after the top 3 is most likely a big step down.

I guess we'll see after the personal work outs, combine, Sr bowl etc. just how big that gap is. 

I agree. It doesn't seem very likely. But really all that has to happen is the Bears deciding to stay with Fields and taking MHJ with one of the first three picks. I could see the Pats leap-frogging the Commies to get Caleb. This pushes QB3 to #4, which should be readily available to the highest bidder. There's also a chance that one of the Commies or Patriots take a free agent, both teams having been burned by their last 1st round QBOTF. A very slight chance IMO, but it's there. 

Lets see what happens with their OC hire...That could be a BIG TELL as to what they might do @ QB. 

They hired Waldron instead of Kingsbury, which is proof of nothing, but it probably does move the needle back toward Fields a little. Granted, I think it's still pointing heavily in Caleb's favor. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:  Who are the real Vikings???

The team that had 13 wins in spite of a 31st ranked D?
Or the team picking #11 in the draft, that lost their top QB, their top WR and was pretty decimated by injuries above and beyond that the last 1/2 of the season?

I also think they can clear a bunch of cap quickly and easily. 

The rest aint so easy like @ QB. 

or is it the team that started 1-6 with their top QB and top WR in place?  we know this team isnt shit,  but we also know that there are a fair number of holes to fill, as well as new contracts both now and in coming seasons that will make it harder to bring in quality talent down the road in themselves without pushing current player deals into those years. yes they can clear cap,  but those moves dont come in a vacuum,  they will have consequences either in terms of creating more holes,  or by adding dead cap to unplayed years which further handcuffs future moves,  like we are facing right now with about 40 million or so from Hunter and  Cousins previous contracts.

@"kmillard" said:

@"minny65" said: If you keep doing what you have been doing, you will get the same result.  Another contract for a 36 yr old injured QB sounds exciting doesn't it?  Then when he goes down or doesn't play at 90% who do we blame?  The defense, the coach, bad luck, etc.  Rinse and repeat.  

Hey, at least we still have all our draft picks :)

nothing in the 3rd and only two in the top 100. That is going to hurt this year.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"minny65" said: If you keep doing what you have been doing, you will get the same result.  Another contract for a 36 yr old injured QB sounds exciting doesn't it?  Then when he goes down or doesn't play at 90% who do we blame?  The defense, the coach, bad luck, etc.  Rinse and repeat.  

Hey, at least we still have all our draft picks :)

nothing in the 3rd and only two in the top 100. That is going to hurt this year.

Lol meanwhile Detroit has four in the top 100, Green Bay has 5, and Chicago has 3 (including #1 overall and #9 overall). 

This is what good teams do who aren't handcuffed by bullshit competitive mandates by ownership. The rest of the teams in the division are playing chess while the Vikings are playing checkers 

I even remember a time when we used to double dip in the first round and draft multiple players. I have no idea what happened with those picks or what we have to show.

@"mblack" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"minny65" said: If you keep doing what you have been doing, you will get the same result.  Another contract for a 36 yr old injured QB sounds exciting doesn't it?  Then when he goes down or doesn't play at 90% who do we blame?  The defense, the coach, bad luck, etc.  Rinse and repeat.  

Hey, at least we still have all our draft picks :)

nothing in the 3rd and only two in the top 100. That is going to hurt this year.

Lol meanwhile Detroit has four in the top 100, Green Bay has 5, and Chicago has 3 (including #1 overall and #9 overall). 

This is what good teams do who aren't handcuffed by bullshit competitive mandates by ownership. The rest of the teams in the division are playing chess while the Vikings are playing checkers 

2024:
Packers: 1,2,2,3,3,4,6,7
Vikings: 1,2,4,4,5,5,6,6,7
I am sure we agree even in the upcoming draft the Packers are better positioned to move up and down the board than us. Lets not even mention the Bears because it gets worse for us.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"minny65" said: If you keep doing what you have been doing, you will get the same result.  Another contract for a 36 yr old injured QB sounds exciting doesn't it?  Then when he goes down or doesn't play at 90% who do we blame?  The defense, the coach, bad luck, etc.  Rinse and repeat.  

Hey, at least we still have all our draft picks :)

nothing in the 3rd and only two in the top 100. That is going to hurt this year.

Lol meanwhile Detroit has four in the top 100, Green Bay has 5, and Chicago has 3 (including #1 overall and #9 overall). 

This is what good teams do who aren't handcuffed by bullshit competitive mandates by ownership. The rest of the teams in the division are playing chess while the Vikings are playing checkers 

2024:
Packers: 1,2,2,3,3,4,6,7
Vikings: 1,2,4,4,5,5,6,6,7
I am sure we agree even in the upcoming draft the Packers are better positioned to move up and down the board than us. Lets not even mention the Bears because it gets worse for us.

The Wilfs just have no idea wtf they are doing. That's the bottom line and we are all stuck with it until further notice. They hired a green "yes" man to run the team who was just happy to be there, checked a progressive box for them, and would deal with the unrealistic mandates of ownership. That's where this "competitive rebuild" bullshit comes from. Memo to Ziggy and Lil' Marky, you dont know shit about football so hire football people to make football decisions and get the fuck out of the way. Stick with real estate and supporting the organization strictly on a financial basis. 

@"mblack" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"minny65" said: If you keep doing what you have been doing, you will get the same result.  Another contract for a 36 yr old injured QB sounds exciting doesn't it?  Then when he goes down or doesn't play at 90% who do we blame?  The defense, the coach, bad luck, etc.  Rinse and repeat.  

Hey, at least we still have all our draft picks :)

nothing in the 3rd and only two in the top 100. That is going to hurt this year.

Lol meanwhile Detroit has four in the top 100, Green Bay has 5, and Chicago has 3 (including #1 overall and #9 overall). 

This is what good teams do who aren't handcuffed by bullshit competitive mandates by ownership. The rest of the teams in the division are playing chess while the Vikings are playing checkers 

2024:
Packers: 1,2,2,3,3,4,6,7
Vikings: 1,2,4,4,5,5,6,6,7
I am sure we agree even in the upcoming draft the Packers are better positioned to move up and down the board than us. Lets not even mention the Bears because it gets worse for us.

The Wilfs just have no idea wtf they are doing. That's the bottom line and we are all stuck with it until further notice. They hired a green "yes" man to run the team who was just happy to be there, checked a progressive box for them, and would deal with the unrealistic mandates of ownership. That's where this "competitive rebuild" bullshit comes from. Memo to Ziggy and Lil' Marky, you dont know shit about football so hire football people to make football decisions and get the fuck out of the way. Stick with real estate and supporting the organization strictly on a financial basis. 

Oh they do…. keeping us engaged while maximizing profits and investments. Its not about doing all they to won a Super Bowl 

All this hand-wringing over draft picks. Yes, the more you have the better, but let's not forget that the vast majority of them are busts. And in the last 7 seasons, the Rams have 5 playoff appearances, 3 division titles, 2 conference championships and 1 Super Bowl. All without having a single 1st round draft pick.

Oh no! The Vikings don't have a 3rd! A pick that can be generated by simply moving down 10 spots in the 2nd round, or two spots in the 1st. Just seems silly to me. 

@"MaroonBells" said: All this hand-wringing over draft picks. Yes, the more you have the better, but let's not forget that the vast majority of them are busts. And in the last 7 seasons, the Rams have 5 playoff appearances, 3 division titles, 2 conference championships and 1 Super Bowl. All without having a single 1st round draft pick.

Oh no! The Vikings don't have a 3rd! A pick that can be generated by simply moving down 10 spots in the 2nd round, or two spots in the 1st. Just seems silly to me. 

Welcome to the 'Freak Out Offseason 2024'. Packers smoke Dallas, the Lions win the Super Bowl and the Factory of Sadness opens up in downtown Minneapolis. I'm already predicting 'Most Used GIF/Meme for 2024' on this board:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: All this hand-wringing over draft picks. Yes, the more you have the better, but let's not forget that the vast majority of them are busts. And in the last 7 seasons, the Rams have 5 playoff appearances, 3 division titles, 2 conference championships and 1 Super Bowl. All without having a single 1st round draft pick.

Oh no! The Vikings don't have a 3rd! A pick that can be generated by simply moving down 10 spots in the 2nd round, or two spots in the 1st. Just seems silly to me. 

Welcome to the 'Freak Out Offseason 2024'. Packers smoke Dallas, the Lions win the Super Bowl and the Factory of Sadness opens up in downtown Minneapolis. I'm already predicting 'Most Used GIF/Meme for 2024' on this board:

@"MaroonBells" said: All this hand-wringing over draft picks. Yes, the more you have the better, but let's not forget that the vast majority of them are busts. And in the last 7 seasons, the Rams have 5 playoff appearances, 3 division titles, 2 conference championships and 1 Super Bowl. All without having a single 1st round draft pick.

Oh no! The Vikings don't have a 3rd! A pick that can be generated by simply moving down 10 spots in the 2nd round, or two spots in the 1st. Just seems silly to me. 

They haven't been busts when the Lions and Packers are drafting them though as both have been excellent the last couple years. Now you load those rosters with twice as many top 100 picks as we have in this upcoming draft and that gap between us continues to increase and it keeps those already young rosters, young and building long term. Bears are going to continue to get better with two top 10 picks, whether they make those picks or trade down. We are a roster badly in new of young talent upgrades at multiple positions and to me, we continue to fall behind in the division in youth and talent 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: All this hand-wringing over draft picks. Yes, the more you have the better, but let's not forget that the vast majority of them are busts. And in the last 7 seasons, the Rams have 5 playoff appearances, 3 division titles, 2 conference championships and 1 Super Bowl. All without having a single 1st round draft pick.

Oh no! The Vikings don't have a 3rd! A pick that can be generated by simply moving down 10 spots in the 2nd round, or two spots in the 1st. Just seems silly to me. 

They haven't been busts when the Lions and Packers are drafting them though as both have been excellent the last couple years. Now you load those rosters with twice as many top 100 picks as we have in this upcoming draft and that gap between us continues to increase and it keeps those already young rosters, young and building long term. Bears are going to continue to get better with two top 10 picks, whether they make those picks or trade down. We are a roster badly in new of young talent upgrades at multiple positions and to me, we continue to fall behind in the division in youth and talent 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: All this hand-wringing over draft picks. Yes, the more you have the better, but let's not forget that the vast majority of them are busts. And in the last 7 seasons, the Rams have 5 playoff appearances, 3 division titles, 2 conference championships and 1 Super Bowl. All without having a single 1st round draft pick.

Oh no! The Vikings don't have a 3rd! A pick that can be generated by simply moving down 10 spots in the 2nd round, or two spots in the 1st. Just seems silly to me. 

They haven't been busts when the Lions and Packers are drafting them though as both have been excellent the last couple years. Now you load those rosters with twice as many top 100 picks as we have in this upcoming draft and that gap between us continues to increase and it keeps those already young rosters, young and building long term. Bears are going to continue to get better with two top 10 picks, whether they make those picks or trade down. We are a roster badly in new of young talent upgrades at multiple positions and to me, we continue to fall behind in the division in youth and talent 

Still, if the Vikings bring back Cousins, they should still have the best offense in the NFC North. Do you disagree with that? 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: All this hand-wringing over draft picks. Yes, the more you have the better, but let's not forget that the vast majority of them are busts. And in the last 7 seasons, the Rams have 5 playoff appearances, 3 division titles, 2 conference championships and 1 Super Bowl. All without having a single 1st round draft pick.

Oh no! The Vikings don't have a 3rd! A pick that can be generated by simply moving down 10 spots in the 2nd round, or two spots in the 1st. Just seems silly to me. 

They haven't been busts when the Lions and Packers are drafting them though as both have been excellent the last couple years. Now you load those rosters with twice as many top 100 picks as we have in this upcoming draft and that gap between us continues to increase and it keeps those already young rosters, young and building long term. Bears are going to continue to get better with two top 10 picks, whether they make those picks or trade down. We are a roster badly in new of young talent upgrades at multiple positions and to me, we continue to fall behind in the division in youth and talent 

Still, if the Vikings bring back Cousins, they should still have the best offense in the NFC North. Do you disagree with that? 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: All this hand-wringing over draft picks. Yes, the more you have the better, but let's not forget that the vast majority of them are busts. And in the last 7 seasons, the Rams have 5 playoff appearances, 3 division titles, 2 conference championships and 1 Super Bowl. All without having a single 1st round draft pick.

Oh no! The Vikings don't have a 3rd! A pick that can be generated by simply moving down 10 spots in the 2nd round, or two spots in the 1st. Just seems silly to me. 

Welcome to the 'Freak Out Offseason 2024'. Packers smoke Dallas, the Lions win the Super Bowl and the Factory of Sadness opens up in downtown Minneapolis. I'm already predicting 'Most Used GIF/Meme for 2024' on this board:

I get where many fans are coming from right now. This was a tough season to endure.

IMO the sky is darker and stormier in Viking land. 

I do think getting Cousins back helps a ton - but that is a big if right now. 

Now we are down to 4 teams remaining. One basic thing that sets these teams apart from others is they are pretty complete teams up and down the roster. Far more so than the Vikings.

The Vikings next year are somewhat unpredictable. Their ceiling seems to be making the playoffs and one and done. Their basement is fighting it out with the Bears for 4th place in the division.
Even with Cousins, they have way to many weaknesses and no path to all of them in one off season.

The Wilf's chose to hire the GM and HC that have the least experience of any GM or HC in the NFCN; and it's showing.
Some great players, just not enough good players to compliment them.