So is Tua a good QB or not?

Tua is damn good, fans want perfection 

A 5-Year Dolphins Rebuild That Was Supposed To Deliver Championships Hasn’t Brought A Playoff Win

The Dolphins finish their season with a 1-6 record in games against teams with winning records. They were 10-1 against teams with losing records.

That means the rebuild has so far led to the construction of the NFL’s mightiest cream puff.

https://www.outkick.com/a-5-year-dolphins-rebuild-that-was-supposed-to-deliver-championships-hasnt-brought-a-playoff-win/

Well, I agree he did not look good, but; it was extremely cold for a warm weather team and I seriously doubt many QBs could have won that game in that favorable situation. You could see that when Mahomes would run, the defenders were afraid to tackle him.

@"DeepFreeze05" said: A 5-Year Dolphins Rebuild That Was Supposed To Deliver Championships Hasn’t Brought A Playoff Win

The Dolphins finish their season with a 1-6 record in games against teams with winning records. They were 10-1 against teams with losing records.

That means the rebuild has so far led to the construction of the NFL’s mightiest cream puff.

https://www.outkick.com/a-5-year-dolphins-rebuild-that-was-supposed-to-deliver-championships-hasnt-brought-a-playoff-win/

I like Tua and think he's above average - dont think he's elite though. 

NEVER believed in the Dolphins as a team this year, never. 

@"FLVike" said: Well, I agree he did not look good, but; it was extremely cold for a warm weather team and I seriously doubt many QBs could have won that game in that favorable situation. You could see that when Mahomes would run, the defenders were afraid to tackle him.

I think he's a solid, middle of the pack QB who you can win with. But last night was a perfect storm that caused him to look terrible. Miami hasn't beaten anyone who mattered all year, the Chiefs have a very good defense, and maybe most importantly: the weather. The second the forecast was announced Miami was pretty much drawing dead. The Chiefs were easy money.
Mahomes looked fantastic. Impressive.

Fish looked like a warm weather team that struggles in cold weather.

It's why i love NFL, elements and conditions effects final score

Yeah he's good.  But contending in the NFL generally requires great not good.  Either a great QB which puts you in contention most years, or a good QB surrounded by great everywhere else, which teams maybe can typically manage once or twice during that good qb's career.

What's a good QB? Is Justin Herbert good? In four years, he's yet to win a playoff game. Chargers are paying him $52M a year for that.  Joe Burrow can't stay healthy. And he has never won a Super Bowl. He gets $55. We just had our Trevor Lawrence thread last week. Plenty think he's overrated. Still, he's going to the top-of-market this spring. $58M maybe. What about Josh Allen? Been in the NFL for six seasons. Never been to the Super Bowl. Threw 18 interceptions this year. EIGHTEEN! At least he threw for 29 TDs to balance it out. Not so Jalen Hurts, who threw 23 TDs and 15 INTs. Those are Andy Dalton-like numbers. But he makes over $50M too.
OK, my point isn't to say that all these young QBs are crap. Just the opposite. I think they're all good QBs. Every one of these guys is capable of winning a Super Bowl. But they're not perfect. Just like Tua. Just like Cousins, they have bad games, bad stretches of games. And just like Kirk Cousins, you’ll hear from critics who will talk about all the stats in the 1st paragraph. 

And as I type this, I see Dallas is down 4 TDs and Prescott has been horrible. And despite having an MVP-like season, if he drops this game, or even if he doesn’t, there are going to be millions of people tomorrow who question whether or not he’s a good QB or not. 

yes tua is a very good young qb.   hope he stays concussion free.   

@"MaroonBells" said: What's a good QB? Is Justin Herbert good? In four years, he's yet to win a playoff game. Chargers are paying him $52M a year for that.  Joe Burrow can't stay healthy. And he has never won a Super Bowl. He gets $55. We just had our Trevor Lawrence thread last week. Plenty think he's overrated. Still, he's going to the top-of-market this spring. $58M maybe. What about Josh Allen? Been in the NFL for six seasons. Never been to the Super Bowl. Threw 18 interceptions this year. EIGHTEEN! At least he threw for 29 TDs to balance it out. Not so Jalen Hurts, who threw 23 TDs and 15 INTs. Those are Andy Dalton-like numbers. But he makes over $50M too. OK, my point isn't to say that all these young QBs are crap. Just the opposite. I think they're all good QBs. Every one of these guys is capable of winning a Super Bowl. But they're not perfect. Just like Tua. Just like Cousins, they have bad games, bad stretches of games. And just like Kirk Cousins, you’ll hear from critics who will talk about all the stats in the 1st paragraph. 

And as I type this, I see Dallas is down 4 TDs and Prescott has been horrible. And despite having an MVP-like season, if he drops this game, or even if he doesn’t, there are going to be millions of people tomorrow who question whether or not he’s a good QB or not. 

@"MaroonBells" said: What's a good QB? Is Justin Herbert good? In four years, he's yet to win a playoff game. Chargers are paying him $52M a year for that.  Joe Burrow can't stay healthy. And he has never won a Super Bowl. He gets $55. We just had our Trevor Lawrence thread last week. Plenty think he's overrated. Still, he's going to the top-of-market this spring. $58M maybe. What about Josh Allen? Been in the NFL for six seasons. Never been to the Super Bowl. Threw 18 interceptions this year. EIGHTEEN! At least he threw for 29 TDs to balance it out. Not so Jalen Hurts, who threw 23 TDs and 15 INTs. Those are Andy Dalton-like numbers. But he makes over $50M too. OK, my point isn't to say that all these young QBs are crap. Just the opposite. I think they're all good QBs. Every one of these guys is capable of winning a Super Bowl. But they're not perfect. Just like Tua. Just like Cousins, they have bad games, bad stretches of games. And just like Kirk Cousins, you’ll hear from critics who will talk about all the stats in the 1st paragraph. 

And as I type this, I see Dallas is down 4 TDs and Prescott has been horrible. And despite having an MVP-like season, if he drops this game, or even if he doesn’t, there are going to be millions of people tomorrow who question whether or not he’s a good QB or not. 

Fck...I hate having to draft a qb lol! 

@"purplefaithful" said: Fck...I hate having to draft a qb lol! 

@"MaroonBells" said: What's a good QB? Is Justin Herbert good? In four years, he's yet to win a playoff game. Chargers are paying him $52M a year for that.  Joe Burrow can't stay healthy. And he has never won a Super Bowl. He gets $55. We just had our Trevor Lawrence thread last week. Plenty think he's overrated. Still, he's going to the top-of-market this spring. $58M maybe. What about Josh Allen? Been in the NFL for six seasons. Never been to the Super Bowl. Threw 18 interceptions this year. EIGHTEEN! At least he threw for 29 TDs to balance it out. Not so Jalen Hurts, who threw 23 TDs and 15 INTs. Those are Andy Dalton-like numbers. But he makes over $50M too. OK, my point isn't to say that all these young QBs are crap. Just the opposite. I think they're all good QBs. Every one of these guys is capable of winning a Super Bowl. But they're not perfect. Just like Tua. Just like Cousins, they have bad games, bad stretches of games. And just like Kirk Cousins, you’ll hear from critics who will talk about all the stats in the 1st paragraph. 

And as I type this, I see Dallas is down 4 TDs and Prescott has been horrible. And despite having an MVP-like season, if he drops this game, or even if he doesn’t, there are going to be millions of people tomorrow who question whether or not he’s a good QB or not. 

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: What's a good QB? Is Justin Herbert good? In four years, he's yet to win a playoff game. Chargers are paying him $52M a year for that.  Joe Burrow can't stay healthy. And he has never won a Super Bowl. He gets $55. We just had our Trevor Lawrence thread last week. Plenty think he's overrated. Still, he's going to the top-of-market this spring. $58M maybe. What about Josh Allen? Been in the NFL for six seasons. Never been to the Super Bowl. Threw 18 interceptions this year. EIGHTEEN! At least he threw for 29 TDs to balance it out. Not so Jalen Hurts, who threw 23 TDs and 15 INTs. Those are Andy Dalton-like numbers. But he makes over $50M too. OK, my point isn't to say that all these young QBs are crap. Just the opposite. I think they're all good QBs. Every one of these guys is capable of winning a Super Bowl. But they're not perfect. Just like Tua. Just like Cousins, they have bad games, bad stretches of games. And just like Kirk Cousins, you’ll hear from critics who will talk about all the stats in the 1st paragraph. 

And as I type this, I see Dallas is down 4 TDs and Prescott has been horrible. And despite having an MVP-like season, if he drops this game, or even if he doesn’t, there are going to be millions of people tomorrow who question whether or not he’s a good QB or not. 

^^^ this. Well stated Maroon.

@"MaroonBells" said: What's a good QB? Is Justin Herbert good? In four years, he's yet to win a playoff game. Chargers are paying him $52M a year for that.  Joe Burrow can't stay healthy. And he has never won a Super Bowl. He gets $55. We just had our Trevor Lawrence thread last week. Plenty think he's overrated. Still, he's going to the top-of-market this spring. $58M maybe. What about Josh Allen? Been in the NFL for six seasons. Never been to the Super Bowl. Threw 18 interceptions this year. EIGHTEEN! At least he threw for 29 TDs to balance it out. Not so Jalen Hurts, who threw 23 TDs and 15 INTs. Those are Andy Dalton-like numbers. But he makes over $50M too. OK, my point isn't to say that all these young QBs are crap. Just the opposite. I think they're all good QBs. Every one of these guys is capable of winning a Super Bowl. But they're not perfect. Just like Tua. Just like Cousins, they have bad games, bad stretches of games. And just like Kirk Cousins, you’ll hear from critics who will talk about all the stats in the 1st paragraph. 

And as I type this, I see Dallas is down 4 TDs and Prescott has been horrible. And despite having an MVP-like season, if he drops this game, or even if he doesn’t, there are going to be millions of people tomorrow who question whether or not he’s a good QB or not. 

Point is, even if worst case scenario does happen, worst case scenario isn’t that much worse than where we already are. For some of these teams, it’s better.

I think a lot of the problems when it comes to QB expectations is they are so often unrealistic in every sense of the word. In my opinion, this stems from beliefs and stereotypes that are just not true when looked at objectively. It isn’t just fans that can fall for these false narratives, front offices and coaches often do as well. 
Probably the biggest one, which I repeatedly point out, is the idea that there’s a magical QB out there who is going to take the team on his shoulders and get them a championship. The fact is, that person does not exist. Even the GOAT, Tom Brady, exemplified this. There’s no world in which Brady had the success he did, without a corresponding top level defense backing him up. Tom threw his share of picks and even at bad times, but he could count on the rest of the team to mitigate those negative plays. That’s how teams win titles. They nearly always have to have either a top 10 defense or a defense playing at an elite level when it matters most. There’s simply no way around this without relying on a fair amount of luck. The teams that have won titles without a top line defense or at least playing top level in the playoffs, is near zero. In my opinion, coming to this realization is key to having realistic expectations for your QB. 
 

And I forgot to answer the original question. Strange that the rest of my response erased so here is the rest:

Tua is an average NFL QB. With the right pieces in place (ie defense etc), he’s good enough to win a title. He’s too streaky to be considered much more than that at this point in his career.

Tua is fine right where he is… ;) B)  

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/vikings/mike-sando-thinks-dolphins-should-move-on-from-tua-tagovailoa-sign-kirk-cousins